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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:14 PM   #1241
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It was my understanding that the CRH brand was intended for high speed trains, like ICE or TGV. Of course, I could be wrong

CRH is indeed means China Railway High Speed but it does not necessarily stand for HSR in its technical sense. It's more like a brand for quality and fast service. That's how I understand it anyway. I think they could have (and perhaps should have) created a separate brand for suburban/commuter services. Perhaps something called CRC (China Railway Commute) which would be helpful in order not to create confusions.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #1242
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CRH6 comes with 200km/h, 160km/h, 140km/h, two doors and three doors versions. This particular CRH6 is the 200km/h 3-door version and will likely replace the original batch CRH2s to serve on intercity and commuter lines, one such line is the newly opened Shanghai Jinshan Suburban Railway or the Guangzhou-Zhuhai Intercity line.

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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:40 PM   #1243
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CCTV has confirmed that the Higher Speed Experimental Train has a top speed exceeding 600km/h.

http://news.cntv.cn/china/20121128/103040.shtml
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:57 PM   #1244
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CCTV has confirmed that the Higher Speed Experimental Train has a top speed exceeding 600km/h.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:57 PM   #1245
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CCTV has confirmed that the Higher Speed Experimental Train has a top speed exceeding 600km/h.

http://news.cntv.cn/china/20121128/103040.shtml
Really cool. Is there a map where we can see where this loop is located? It must be a big circle to test at those speeds and hopefully see this baby running on those tracks:
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I'm fairly certain it says CRH6A.
Even looking closely it looked like a "5" to me so maybe my eyes are tricking me.
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Old December 1st, 2012, 12:42 AM   #1246
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Really cool. Is there a map where we can see where this loop is located? It must be a big circle to test at those speeds and hopefully see this baby running on those tracks:
The loop is just east of downtown Beijing, the high speed tests are not done there due to its small diameter. All very high speed runs were conducted on unopened HSR lines. For example CRH380A's 487km/h record was set on Beijing-Shanghai line. You need a really long stretch of straight line to gain that kind of speed.



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Even looking closely it looked like a "5" to me so maybe my eyes are tricking me.
It certainly does look like a 5, but it's probably because there is a little bit of reflection on the number. Besides it's a very low resolution picture anyway.
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Old December 1st, 2012, 01:03 AM   #1247
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CCTV has confirmed that the Higher Speed Experimental Train has a top speed exceeding 600km/h.

http://news.cntv.cn/china/20121128/103040.shtml
I smell an incoming record in the air
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Old December 1st, 2012, 01:50 PM   #1248
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What shall be the first railway line operating CRH6?
For sure it will be within Pearl Delta Area
But people are still guessing which line will be the first one, either Guangzhou-Zhuhai(replacing the current operating CRH1A) or Dongguan-Huizhou line...
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Old December 1st, 2012, 01:51 PM   #1249
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CRH is indeed means China Railway High Speed but it does not necessarily stand for HSR in its technical sense. It's more like a brand for quality and fast service. That's how I understand it anyway. I think they could have (and perhaps should have) created a separate brand for suburban/commuter services. Perhaps something called CRC (China Railway Commute) which would be helpful in order not to create confusions.
But now in China, they use CRH as 'Harmony Trainset' for its name =P
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Old December 1st, 2012, 09:43 PM   #1250
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For sure it will be within Pearl Delta Area
But people are still guessing which line will be the first one, either Guangzhou-Zhuhai(replacing the current operating CRH1A) or Dongguan-Huizhou line...
When shall Dongguan-Huizhou high speed railway be opened?
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When shall Dongguan-Huizhou high speed railway be opened?
well not sure...
and it is a intercity line rather than a highspeed line...i think..
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 12:45 AM   #1252
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The interior of the CRH6 looks more like a regional train than an intercity or high speed train to me. Nevertheless it's quite a good looking train
200km/H i believe... therefore, highspeed.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 06:06 AM   #1253
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well not sure...
and it is a intercity line rather than a highspeed line...i think..
The Dongguan-Huizhou ICR is similar to the Chengdu–Dujiangyan Intercity Railway, Changchun–Jilin Intercity Railway, and Guangzhou–Zhuhai Intercity Railway. As in they will have a very regional rail/commuter feel to it.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 01:06 PM   #1254
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200km/H i believe... therefore, highspeed.
200km/h isn't really seen as high speed in most of the world.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 03:33 PM   #1255
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200km/h isn't really seen as high speed in most of the world.
By definition 200km/h counts as hi-speed on upgraded lines only. But not for new lines.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 01:05 PM   #1256
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When is Zhuhai North-Gongbei high speed railway due to open?
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 06:22 PM   #1257
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By definition 200km/h counts as hi-speed on upgraded lines only. But not for new lines.
By EU definition yes.
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 06:42 PM   #1258
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By EU definition yes.
And what are other definitions (i'm not talking US)? What is Chinese definition? Japanese? Korean?
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I agree that by the commonly accepted international standard those lines are not considered high speed, and MOR probably doesn't consider them neither. This push to create a third tier of railways (suburban commuter rail) will see the recategorization of them as such. And the C number will probably be reused after its brief appearance on very high speed intercity lines, possibly even a separate brand be introduced. So we will have Z, T, K CR trains (up to 160km/h), C trains (140-200km/h), and D, G CRH trains (200km/h and up).
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Old December 4th, 2012, 02:09 AM   #1260
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I agree that by the commonly accepted international standard those lines are not considered high speed, and MOR probably doesn't consider them neither. This push to create a third tier of railways (suburban commuter rail) will see the recategorization of them as such. And the C number will probably be reused after its brief appearance on very high speed intercity lines, possibly even a separate brand be introduced. So we will have Z, T, K CR trains (up to 160km/h), C trains (140-200km/h), and D, G CRH trains (200km/h and up).
But for China, I think only G counts as Hi-speed Service.
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