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Old July 21st, 2014, 01:48 AM   #1841
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I'm not sure you understand how these are used - there will be many all over the network in sidings, waiting for the need to arise...
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Old July 21st, 2014, 08:39 AM   #1842
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Very cool. I see a pantograph but would I be correct to assume they can also be powered by diesel or some sort of combustion... in case the power is out?
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Old July 21st, 2014, 09:06 AM   #1843
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I'm not sure you understand how these are used - there will be many all over the network in sidings, waiting for the need to arise...
I guess I was looking at the title "HSR Maintenance/Recovery Train" and was curious if the maintenance train itself was capable of high speed. I'm assuming if it needed to get to a far off location for work to be done it can get there quickly, faster than a conventional maintenance train.

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Found some info:

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BR711 Overhead Line Service Vehicle

http://www.27rail.chinacnr.com/en/pr...7&lan=2&title=

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Beijing Feb. 7th railway transportation equipment Co., Ltd. has imported total technology of BR711.1 overhead line service vehicle from Germany Brandenburg rail engineering machinery co., LTD, made improvement adaptive to Chinese railway condition and produced the vehicle. With the traveling speed of over 160km/h, this vehicle is equipped with catenary service units, such as lifting platform, freely Slewing lifting platform, catenary & carrying rope positioner and simulated pantograph, etc. It is capable of coupling and drawing the malfunction vehicles, etc. With the most advanced technology, multifunction and highest traveling speed, this vehicle is used for catenary maintenance in high-speed railway and railway equipments maintenance. It is an epoch-making product of the catenary service operation in Chinese railway.
The main technical parameters:
Max. self-propelled speed: 160 km/h
Max. trial speed : 176 km/h
Gauge: 1435 mm
Axle load <21 t
Overall dimension 24340X2875X4650 mm
Coupler height : 880±10 mm
Distance : 17000 mm
Wheel diameter : 920 mm
Wheelbase of bogie: 2600 mm
Emergency braking distance 1400 m
Continuous tractive effort 87 kN
Continuous speed 31 km/h
Freely Slewing liftingbucket: +18m /-10m/load 400kg
Lifting platform +6.8m/load 300kg
Catenary & carrying rope positioner +8m/3000N

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Old July 21st, 2014, 09:52 AM   #1844
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Nice looking train. Any idea how fast it can go? I wonder if it can reach at least 200km/h to get across the network at high speed.
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Very cool. I see a pantograph but would I be correct to assume they can also be powered by diesel or some sort of combustion... in case the power is out?
its max speed is 160kmph.

it's equiped with two diesel engines (high/low speed) to accomodate all weathers and conditions (ice, slope etc).

There will be at least 400 units needed for the whole HSR network.
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Old September 16th, 2014, 05:00 PM   #1845
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CRH trains with sand dust proof design.

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CRH2H,for lanzhou to Urumqi line.









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Old September 16th, 2014, 05:51 PM   #1846
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Those look nice!

Is it by any chance known how much such a train costs?
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Old September 16th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #1847
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Taking a second look at the video it looks like the front nose is a CRH380A and the trailing nose is a CIT500.
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Curious, why is that so?
The Japanese prototype Fastech 360 S also had two different noses: "stream-line" style of the 500 series and "arrow-line" style of E2 and E4 series. In addition, the nose "stream-line" had a lower skirts with two positions: aerodynamics or snow. Even the other Fastech 360 (the Z) had two slightly different nose style "arrow-line".
This was to test the different aerodynamic, especially in tunnels.
In this case it will be good for top speed.
Photos of this in: #1930
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El prototipo japonés Fastech 360 S también tuvo dos morros distintos: “stream-line”, del estilo de los serie 500 y “arrow-line”, del estilo de los E2 y E4. Además, la nariz “stream-line” tenía unos faldones inferiores con dos posiciones: aerodinámica o para la nieve. Incluso el otro Fastech 360 (el Z) tenía dos morros ligeramente distintas estilo “arrow-line”.
Esto era para probar las distintas aerodinámicas, sobretodo en túneles.
En este caso será más bien por velocidad punta.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 12:22 AM   #1848
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I wonder if CRH2H also has a few sleeper cars.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 12:31 AM   #1849
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It is "mandatory" to travel that distance (1,776 km Urumqi to Lanzhou), although the picture does not seem so.
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Es "obligatorio" para poder recorrer esas distancias (1.776 km de Urumqi hasta Lanzhou), aunque en la foto no lo parezca.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 12:01 PM   #1850
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Those look nice!

Is it by any chance known how much such a train costs?
About 2 million dollars on Alibaba.com.
Jokes aside, why just 250 km/h? Or is the writing on the car bottom misleading?
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Old September 17th, 2014, 12:22 PM   #1851
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It is "mandatory" to travel that distance (1,776 km Urumqi to Lanzhou), although the picture does not seem so.
It is 2206 km between Beijing and Shenzhen - yet no sleeper high speed trains run there.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 03:17 PM   #1852
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It is 2206 km between Beijing and Shenzhen - yet no sleeper high speed trains run there.
I bet very few people travel the entire distance between Beijing and Guangzhou let alone Shenzhen. There should be an overnight sleeper service though. Also between Shenzhen and Shanghai.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 07:45 PM   #1853
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Not that there are many trains between Beijing and Guangzhou ...
Only two, it takes 8 h 33 m and 10 h 24 m. Do not think there are many travelers from origin to destination as you said Pansori. Instead between Lanzhou and Urumqi: yes, and also will most trains are slower. Urumqi to Beijing better not to speak.

I do not understand what that is white in the photo:
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CRH2H,for lanzhou to Urumqi line.
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@peloso
And the sign of 250 km / h is the official maximum speed of the train, but if I'm not mistaken, CRH continue with the policy of lines with maximum speed of 300 and other only 200. Still, is not it?

Greetings and sorry for my bad English.
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Tampoco es que existan muchos trenes...
Hay dos, que tardan 8 h 33 m y 10 h 24 m. No creo que haya muchos viajeros PaP como bien dice Pansori. En cambio entre Lanzhou y Urumqi: sí que serán mayoría y además los trenes son más lentos. De Urumqi a Beijing mejor no hablar.
Lo que no entiendo es qué es lo que sale en la foto.
Y el cartel de 250 km/h es la velocidad máxima oficial del tren, pero, si no estoy equivocado, CRH continúa con la política de líneas con velocidad máxima de 300 y otras de solo 200. Sigue siendo así, ¿no?
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Old September 17th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #1854
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Not that there are many trains between Beijing and Guangzhou ...
Only two, it takes 8 h 33 m and 10 h 24 m. Do not think there are many travelers from origin to destination as you said Pansori. Instead between Lanzhou and Urumqi: yes, and also will most trains are slower. Urumqi to Beijing better not to speak.

I do not understand what that is white in the photo:

@peloso
And the sign of 250 km / h is the official maximum speed of the train, but if I'm not mistaken, CRH continue with the policy of lines with maximum speed of 300 and other only 200. Still, is not it?

Greetings and sorry for my bad English.
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Tampoco es que existan muchos trenes...
Hay dos, que tardan 8 h 33 m y 10 h 24 m. No creo que haya muchos viajeros PaP como bien dice Pansori. En cambio entre Lanzhou y Urumqi: sí que serán mayoría y además los trenes son más lentos. De Urumqi a Beijing mejor no hablar.
Lo que no entiendo es qué es lo que sale en la foto.
Y el cartel de 250 km/h es la velocidad máxima oficial del tren, pero, si no estoy equivocado, CRH continúa con la política de líneas con velocidad máxima de 300 y otras de solo 200. Sigue siendo así, ¿no?
Where is the train that takes 7:59 between BJ and GZ (forgot the number)?
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Old September 17th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #1855
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No, no. my mistake.
Guangzhou started when we were talking about Shenzhen. I do not understand why. Did not put it in Spanish. For me it's complicated.
I'm sorry.

The G79
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No, no. error mío.
Puse Guangzhou cuando estábamos hablando de Shenzhen. No entiendo por qué. En español no lo puse. Para mí es complicado.
Lo siento.

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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #1856
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There are 5 G trains daily Beijing West to Guangzhou South, a true distance of 2104 km. Of these 5, one, G79, is an express train taking 7:59 to Guangzhou South. The other 4 take between 9:14 (G69) and 10:01 (G67).

2 of these 5 trains continue to Shenzhen: G79, with total trip time for the 2206 km being 8:33, and G71, with total trip time 10:24.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 12:07 AM   #1857
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Yeah, right. We agree.
But I think we're going (partly my fault) the subject.
My questions are:

Does the policy of CRH only 200 or 300 km / h speed limit continues?
Do CRH2H have soft/hard sleepers?
What is that white stuff you see in the picture?
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Sí, bien. Estamos de acuerdo.
Pero creo que nos estamos yendo (en parte por mi error) del tema.
Mis preguntas son:
¿Continúa la política de CRH de solo 200 o 300 km/h de velocidad máxima?
¿Los CRH2H tienen literas?
¿Qué es eso blanco que se ve en la foto?
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Old September 22nd, 2014, 12:54 PM   #1858
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HS Trains orders

Between 10/10/2004 and 26/04/2011 CRH made 22 orders for a total of 1,050 HST.

The order 28/09/2009 was halted following the resignation (February 2011) for corruption of former minister of railways. All contracts were reviewed, the speeds policy was changed and the order was amended 05/09/2012: the CRH380D passed 20 to 70, were annulled 60 CRH380DL and new order of 46 CRH1A 250 and 60 CRH1A 250NG. In short, it went from 140 "simple" trains (8 cars) to 380 km / h (20 + 60 double: 1,120 cars) at 70 to 380 km / h and 106 to 250, all 8 cars (1,408 cars). The amount of investment continued: 3,341 M € (27.4 billion yuan) to 19 M € per train: 20.51 of the CRH380D and 14.80 for CRH1 250NG.

186 2007/1? CRH1A
20 2009/10 CRH1B
20 2009/11 CRH1E
100 2007/11 CRH2A
10 2008/09 CRH2B
60 2008/10 CRH2C
20 2008/09 CRH2E
80 2008/10 CRH3C
140 2007/12 CRH5A
40 2010/10 CRH380A
100 2011/11 CRH380AL
40 2013/13 CRH380B
115 2011/13 CRH380BL
25 2013/13 CRH380CL
70 2014/14 CRH380D
24 2013/13 CRH6A
1,050 HST: 530 to 300 / 350 / 380 km / h y 520 to 200 / 250 km / h

The 10/12/2013 placed an new order for 258 trains with an investment of 5,615 M € (44.3 billion yuan or $ 7.3 billion). 180 to 350 km / h and 78 to 250 km / h.
CSR (25.9 billion yuan) would manufacture 83 to 350 km / h and 78 to 250 km / h. CNR (18.4 billion yuan) for 97 to 350 km / h: Changchun (27) and Tangshan (70).
China orders 258 high-speed trains IRJ
China Trainmakers' High-Speed Rail Total $ 7.3 Billion Orders

This order was downgraded on 08/22/2014 (perhaps this is another order?), leaving at 57 to 250 km / h and 175 to 350 km / h.
China issues tenders for 232 high-speed trains International Railway Journal

My question is: do we know more about this order ?, how he fit into the latest series ?.

CRH3A CNR 200 km / h 8 cars 5,120 kW 202 meters
CRH3G CNR 250 km / h to 16 cars
CRH2H 250 km / h to 16 cars

Missing many details: train orders for serie, engines, seats, power, length, weight and cost.

Apart 9 CRH380A to MTR Hong Kong were sold.

Previous HST are these (in Spanish, but with pictures):
and the newest, these

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Entre el 10/10/2004 y el 26/04/2011 CRH realizó 22 pedidos para un total de 1.050 HST.
El pedido del 28/09/2009 fue paralizado tras la dimisión (febrero de 2011) por corrupción del anterior ministro de ferrocarriles. Se revisaron todos los contratos, se cambió la política sobre velocidades y el 05/09/2012 fue modificado: los CRH380D pasaban de 20 a 70, se anulaban los 60 CRH380DL y se contrataban 46 CRH1A 250 y 60 CRH1A 250NG. En resumen, se pasó de 140 trenes “simples” para 380 km/h (20 + 60 dobles) a 70 para 380 km/h y 106 para 250, todos de 8 coches. El importe de la inversión se mantuvo: 3.341 M € (27.4 billion yuan) a 19 M € por tren: 20,51 los CRH380D y 14,80 los CRH1 250NG.
El 10/12/2013 realizaron un pedido de 258 trenes con una inversión de 5.615 M € (44.3 billion yuan o $7.3 billion). 180 para 350 km/h y 78 para 250 km/h.
CSR (25.9 billion yuan) fabricaría 83 para 350 km/h y 78 para 250 km/h y CNR (18.4 billion yuan) para 97 para 350 km/h: Changchun (27), y Tangshan (70).
Este pedido se modificó a la baja el 22/08/2014 (¿acaso se trata de otro pedido?), quedando en 57 para 250 km/h y 175 para 350 km/h.
Mi pregunta es: ¿sabemos más detalles de este pedido?, ¿cómo encajan en él las últimas series?.
CRH3A CNR 200 km/h 8 coches 5.120 kW 202 metros
CRH3G CNR 250 km/h 16 coches
CRH2H 250 km/h 16 coches
Faltan muchos detalles: trenes pedidos, motores, plazas, potencia, longitud, peso y coste.
Aparte se vendieron 9 CRH380A para MTR Hong Kong.
Los HST anteriores son estos (en español, pero con fotos):
y los más nuevos, estos:
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Old September 22nd, 2014, 02:17 PM   #1859
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there are no new built 16 cars bullet train since 2013,8 cars are more Flexible than 16 cars train,and there are new orders every year,the latest order is CRH2 57 ,CRH380A 93,CRH380B 82,and also some special trains for Harbin-Dalian line doesn`t inculuded in these trains.this is the plan for 2014,and 2015,2016......there will new orders too.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 06:58 AM   #1860
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On Sepetember 24 2014, the China Railway Corporation (CRC) ordered a series of trainsets of High Spped trains includes:

57 sets of CRH2ATX (250km/h new genergation of CRH2A)from CSR Sifang
93 sets of CRH380AE27 (350km/h new generation of CRH380A) from CSR Sifang
32 sets of CRH380BK (350km/h new generation of CRH380B) from CNR Changshun
50 sets of CRH380BK from CNR Tangshan

New order will be anounced later, includs:

35 stes of CRH5GH from CNR Changchun
10 sets of CRH2KFS from CSR Sifang or 10 stes of CRH5KFS from CNR Changchun
25 sets of CRH380BGH from CNR Changchun
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