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Old February 18th, 2008, 04:01 AM   #2261
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So if the West Island line is just a continuation of the Island Line, why are they considered two separate lines?

Also, why is the South Island Line separated with eastern and western halves?
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Old February 18th, 2008, 05:23 AM   #2262
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So if the West Island line is just a continuation of the Island Line, why are they considered two separate lines?
The West Island Line is just the name given to the extension to the western end of the existing Island Line. West Island Line is part of the Island Line and will function as part of it on completion.
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The West Island Line and South Island Line
This one is better planned. Most likely the cars used for the South Island Lines would be medium capacity with 3 or 4 car line-up similar to BKK's BTS or the LA subway.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 05:55 AM   #2264
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The West Island Line is just the name given to the extension to the western end of the existing Island Line. West Island Line is part of the Island Line and will function as part of it on completion.
So it's just a naming convention in the meantime. When it's done it will be Island Line throughout the new stations?
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Old February 18th, 2008, 06:44 AM   #2265
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MTR Press Releases:
MTR plans to purchase new trains

--I don't want those trains are ROTEM Trains again!

MTR Recognised as a Sustainability Leader Wins Silver Class Award from SAM
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Old February 18th, 2008, 07:30 AM   #2266
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So it's just a naming convention in the meantime. When it's done it will be Island Line throughout the new stations?
Yep, Sheung Wan will no longer be the western terminus of the Island Line, but will become an intermediate station with trains continuing to Kennedy Town.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 08:00 AM   #2267
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Hong Kong's MTR Corp carried 102.6 mln passengers in January
17 February 2008

HONG KONG (XFN-ASIA) - MTR Corp Ltd said it carried 102.6 mln passengers in January, compared with 103.8 mln in December.

On the average weekday last month, MTR carried 3.49 mln passengers, according to data published on the company's website.

The passenger traffic figures cover the subway system's Tsuen Wan, Island, Kwun Tong, Tung Chung, Tseung Kwan O and Disneyland Resort Lines, as well as the newly acquired East Rail, Ma On Shan and West Rail Lines from Kowloon-Canton Railway Corp (KCRC).

MTR Corp merged with KCRC on Dec 2.

Its Airport Express operations carried 842,000 passengers in January, down 5.8 pct from the previous month.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 09:17 AM   #2268
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MTR Press Releases:
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MTR Recognised as a Sustainability Leader Wins Silver Class Award from SAM
What's wrong with rotem?
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Old February 18th, 2008, 01:21 PM   #2269
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I personally love Rotem trains in Hong Kong. Love their sounds...

Anyway, it wouldn't make sense to choose Kawasaki, Alstom or Siemens for just 5 trains. Does it?
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What's wrong with rotem?
Their trains are rather heavy, which would consume more energy.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 04:55 PM   #2271
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This one is better planned. Most likely the cars used for the South Island Lines would be medium capacity with 3 or 4 car line-up similar to BKK's BTS or the LA subway.
That's the plan. SIL is a medium size rail, with only 3 to 4 smaller (compares to existing) carriages per train.
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So if the West Island line is just a continuation of the Island Line, why are they considered two separate lines?

Also, why is the South Island Line separated with eastern and western halves?
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WIL is a heavy rail, an extension of existing Island using same rail system. SIL is a medium rail, using a smaller train for less demand from the Southern District.
The two has a different demand of services. That's why they aren't combined.

Combining SILE and SILW doesn't necessary save money. The cost of construction is still the full length of the system. It was determined it would be more beneficial to construct the SIL in stages cause of the construction cost.
SILE doesn't require to build stations under high mountain, which significantly simplifies the system and cost of construction. Plus, stations along SILE have a higher service demand than SILW.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 11:03 PM   #2273
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Anyway, it wouldn't make sense to choose Kawasaki, Alstom or Siemens for just 5 trains. Does it?
Yeah...40 car order seems pretty small to me, unless those are just preliminary figures.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 05:54 AM   #2274
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I personally love Rotem trains in Hong Kong. Love their sounds...
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Old February 19th, 2008, 06:26 AM   #2275
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That's the plan. SIL is a medium size rail, with only 3 to 4 smaller (compares to existing) carriages per train.
When I see it, 3 cars would work well for the west section and 4 for the east section.

As for the trains, why not use the same Rotem M or K-stock?
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Old February 19th, 2008, 08:32 AM   #2276
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When I see it, 3 cars would work well for the west section and 4 for the east section.

As for the trains, why not use the same Rotem M or K-stock?
These are not heavy rail lines.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 03:49 PM   #2277
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When I see it, 3 cars would work well for the west section and 4 for the east section.

As for the trains, why not use the same Rotem M or K-stock?
As hkskyline said, SIL isn't a heavy rail, it's a medium size.
It is something bigger than the LRT in Tuen Mun, Yuen Long and TSW; but smaller than the typical MTR. This is the first medium size system to be built in Hong Kong.

The LRT design is too slow, and doesn't have enough capacity; but the typical MTR heavy rail requires heavier track system and structures. Medium size rail doesn't need the heavy tracks and structures to support the system which also means less costly. The other thing is heavy rail generates a lot more noise comparing to the medium size. Giving the fact the system will be ran along existing densely populated area on elevated sections, it is important to minimize the noise impact as well.
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As hkskyline said, SIL isn't a heavy rail, it's a medium size.
It is something bigger than the LRT in Tuen Mun, Yuen Long and TSW; but smaller than the typical MTR. This is the first medium size system to be built in Hong Kong.

The LRT design is too slow, and doesn't have enough capacity; but the typical MTR heavy rail requires heavier track system and structures. Medium size rail doesn't need the heavy tracks and structures to support the system which also means less costly. The other thing is heavy rail generates a lot more noise comparing to the medium size. Giving the fact the system will be ran along existing densely populated area on elevated sections, it is important to minimize the noise impact as well.
So its gonna similar to the Taipei Rapid Transit. Some of their lines are medium capacity.



On the other hand, The Ma On Shan line is classified as medium capacity as well
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Old February 20th, 2008, 08:42 AM   #2279
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So its gonna similar to the Taipei Rapid Transit. Some of their lines are medium capacity.

On the other hand, The Ma On Shan line is classified as medium capacity as well
The Ma On Shan rail was designed as heavy rail, but only operates capacity as if it's a bit less than what it was designed for. The line itself is heavy rail.

Taipei's MRT isn't totally medium rail though. I recall the blue line that goes east-west is heavy, while the brown line going to Taipei Zoo is overhead LRT-style.
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On the other hand, The Ma On Shan line is classified as medium capacity as well
Medium Size doesn't necessary equal to Medium Capacity and vice versa.

Ma On Shan Line is heavy rail but operates with limited carriages to restrict the capacity.
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