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Old January 4th, 2010, 11:33 AM   #2861
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(2009-11-27)TVB News-MTR unveils Yaumatei-Whampoa plans
A very good idea...Whampoa is massive and the development will make a big difference.

Wonder if they will extend it beyond Whampoa tho...would it be crazy to imagine an extension across the bay to Kai Tak?

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Old January 4th, 2010, 12:19 PM   #2862
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From Whampoa, passengers can connect to the Shatin - Central link to Kai Tak.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 11:42 AM   #2863
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MTR Corp JV To Operate Extension Of Beijing Metro Line 4
30 December 2009

HONG KONG - (Dow Jones)- MTR Corp. (MTRJY) said Wednesday its Beijing MTR Corp. joint venture has signed an agreement to operate the Daxing line of the Beijing metro for 10 years after the line is completed in 2010.

The 22-kilometer Daxing line is an extension of Beijing Metro Line 4, which is already operated by Beijing MTR Corp., a joint venture between MTR Corp., Beijing Infrastructure Investment and Beijing Capital Group.

The joint venture will have the option to renew the agreement to operate the Daxing line, the Hong Kong rail operator said in a statement.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #2864
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2 January 2010
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Why do our state governments find it so hard to upgrade their ticketing systems?

FEW things seem as difficult for governments in this country to achieve as implementing new transport ticketing systems.

NSW has given up on a combined smartcard for now and Victoria's troubled myki system has proved no exception.

This week's promised start-up turned into a fiasco, not all that surprising given the chequered history of the project.

The state Labor government announced midweek that instead of a full beginning by year's end, myki would only begin on trains, with buses and trams to follow in the first six months of 2010.

The system was already more than two years late and hundreds of millions over budget.

The staggered start is just the latest in a string of disappointments.

Myki is supposed to be a state-of-the-art multimodal system that automatically calculates and deducts the correct fare from a user's card.

It was designed from scratch despite similar multimodal systems operating effectively in Hong Kong and several other cities, including Singapore and London.

The Brumby government points to the complexities in catering for trains, buses and trams as an excuse for its late introduction.

It's a poor excuse when you consider that Hong Kong's Octopus card, which has been around since 1997, is also used for trams, trains and buses along with convenience stores, supermarkets, fast-food restaurants, on-street parking meters, car parks, and other point-of-sale applications such as service stations and vending machines.

Many Melbourne commuters use a combination of trams, trains and buses to get to and from work, so myki's takeup rate is expected to be slow.

Perhaps that's a good thing for the operators, because glitches are already appearing with the system operating in train-only mode.

There have been reports of 300 customers being incorrectly informed that $155 would be charged to their credit cards and passengers have told of problems swiping cards. This has further undermined faith in the beleaguered system, which has become almost a byword for bungling.

As disastrous as the myki project has been, it has at least got further down the road to implementation than Sydney's Tcard system which was scrapped by the NSW government in 2007.

Melbourne's current Metcard system also suffered technical issues and glitches during its introduction, although it eventually became a reliable and relatively trouble-free system.

Public Transport User's Association president Daniel Bowen says new ticketing systems are notoriously trouble-prone in Australia. ``They all seem to fall foul of glitches. Sydney never made it beyond the early stages,'' Bowen says.

``However Perth and Brisbane have introduced their systems with relatively little fuss so it's not really clear why myki has taken so long and been so troublesome.

``It was really a bad decision to roll it out on only part of the network. Melbourne has had a multimodal ticketing system for 25 years and to throw that out the window, even temporarily, for the sake of meeting a commitment just seems a really foolish thing to do.''

So far, the bill for myki has hit $1.35 billion, which includes 10 years of operating costs, and the only result so far seems to be confusion among the travelling public.

The Victorian Government has already turned to Hong Kong in selecting metro train operator MTR to run Melbourne's unreliable train network.

Perhaps it should have done the same when it came to selecting a new ticketing system by opting for a modified version of Hong Kong's excellent Octopus card, with which you can even shop.
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Why do our state governments find it so hard to upgrade their ticketing systems?
[...]
The Brumby government points to the complexities in catering for trains, buses and trams as an excuse for its late introduction.

It's a poor excuse when you consider that Hong Kong's Octopus card, which has been around since 1997, is also used for trams, trains and buses along with convenience stores, supermarkets, fast-food restaurants, on-street parking meters, car parks, and other point-of-sale applications such as service stations and vending machines.
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I was wondering about exactly this for Stockholm when it kept getting delayed time and time again. It's still not up and running fully, a year after introduction I can't even buy a season-pass on the new system at stations!

One thing I do kinda like tho is seeing the MTR logo every day To be fair I haven't really noticed anything different since MTR took over operations here.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 02:11 PM   #2866
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One of the big reasons for the success of the Hong Kong Octopus system was that the main driving force behind it were the 2 railway companies, (not the government). The needs of the KCR in particular with their requirement for monthly tickets, LRT fares, first class processing, buses, etc etc meant that the system was always going to be able to incorporate a wide range of fare processing abilities. The MTR were also very smart in getting 2 of the main bus operators on board at the beginning, so the system was designed and built with multi-modal functionality from day one.

The Hong Kong government was not involved in the design at all, they were only involved in some financial regulatory issues.

The MTR it has to be said had a brilliant vision for the Octopus system back in the early 90's and a team of very capable people to see it through.

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Old January 6th, 2010, 07:49 PM   #2867
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The system was already more than two years late and hundreds of millions over budget.

The staggered start is just the latest in a string of disappointments.
Hey-sounds like what happens all the time with the New York City Subway!
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The Victorian Government has already turned to Hong Kong in selecting metro train operator MTR to run Melbourne's unreliable train network.

Perhaps it should have done the same when it came to selecting a new ticketing system by opting for a modified version of Hong Kong's excellent Octopus card, with which you can even shop.
Muahaha...my dream of MTR's worldwide domination is getting more true!
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 05:22 AM   #2868
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10,000 hit as East Rail grinds to peak-hour halt
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Some 10,000 passengers were affected when the East Rail line was brought to a halt by a technical problem during peak hours last night.
A signal error led to the train service being suspended for an hour from 7.20pm. This marked the first time the whole of the East Rail service was disrupted for a full hour.

The MTR Corp arranged shuttle buses for passengers who were stranded inside the stations. But even when the rail service resumed at 8.20pm, train frequencies had not returned to normal and passengers faced a longer wait for trains.

Many passengers were unhappy about the delays. A man at the Tai Wo station said the train he boarded suddenly stopped and the driver announced that the delay was due to a signal failure.

He said many passengers left the train after the announcement that there were shuttle buses available.

But many passengers complained about the shuttle bus service after waiting about 20 minutes outside the Mong Kok East MTR station.

Wendy Ma, 35, a clerk, heard the announcement about a faulty signal at the Tai Po Market station but said no further information was given.

"They [the MTRC] said it would offer shuttle buses, but didn't say when. I didn't know how long I would have to wait, and I was in a rush to attend a class," she said. "They could have given a clearer announcement and have had better arrangements."

At the Sha Tin MTR station, Chong Yuen-ting, 23, said even when the MTR announced a faulty signal, other passengers kept entering the train.

"It felt very stuffy," she said. "After 10 minutes, I saw people leaving. I was angry because the arrangements were really bad. I just stood inside the coach for more than 20 minutes, and staff did not tell us what was going on."

MTR head of operations Choi Tak-tsan said the cause was a problem in the East Rail's digital transmissions. Technicians were despatched to examine and repair the system and train services were suspended as a safety precaution.

More than 30 emergency shuttle buses were arranged during the suspension of service, Choi said.
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Old January 23rd, 2010, 03:46 PM   #2869
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Old January 26th, 2010, 05:07 PM   #2870
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MTR delays blamed on computer error
23 January 2010
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A blunder by a data transmission operator was blamed for a shutdown of MTR trains on Thursday night that stranded 10,000 passengers.

The operator made a mistake while running a computer program as he inspected a data transmission network for the East Rail Line, disabling the centralised monitoring of trains along the line, said Dr Jacob Kam Chak-pui, head of operations engineering for MTR Corporation.

"Since we could no longer centrally monitor the trains, we decided to halt the service out of concern for safety," Kam said.

Train services from Hung Hom to Lo Wu and Lok Ma Chau were suspended from 7.20pm to 8.20pm.

Passengers crowded ticketing windows at various stations, complaining about refund arrangements and yelling at station staff. The company arranged for buses to transport passengers, and long queues to board the vehicles quickly formed.

Legislator Andrew Cheng Kar-foo said it was unacceptable that there was no emergency plan in place to fix computer problems more quickly. "It's puzzling that no software was available to correct the mistake, with MTR often boasting of its 'excellent' services," Cheng said.

The government should introduce rules imposing penalties when train delays lasted longer than eight minutes, he said.

The operator who made the mistake worked for a supplier of the MTR Corp's data transmission network, Kam said. The MTR Corp would tighten rules on external experts visiting its facilities and set up a standby control station, he said.

"We'll create a standby work station to allow the central control room to continue functioning even when the data network is faulty," he said. The shutdown is among the most serious disruptions in recent memory on the MTR network.

The Transport Department said late on Thursday it had asked the MTR Corp to submit a report on the case as soon as possible.

On August 1 last year, about 1,200 passengers were affected when train services between Mong Kok East and East Tsim Sha Tsui shut down for 40 minutes after a transformer station at Ho Man Tin broke down.
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Old January 27th, 2010, 10:41 AM   #2871
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From Whampoa, passengers can connect to the Shatin - Central link to Kai Tak.
the north end, yes...

Im thinking of going from Whampoa to the other end of Kai Tak...in the middle of the harbour....then onwards

yes, yes, it is a crazy idea but I said that already.

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Pok Fu Lam anger over route for trucks moving MTR waste
30 January 2010
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Parents and other residents of Pok Fu Lam will protest today against the relocation of a barge-loading site that will handle soil and rock excavated for construction of the MTR's South Island Line. The work will mean up to 300 dumper trucks a day plying the area's roads.

The MTR Corporation plans to move the loading site from Kellett Bay, near the Wah Kwai Estate, to Telegraph Bay, near Cyberport and several luxury residential estates including Residence Bel-Air and Baguio Villa. The barging point will handle part of the 1.5 million cubic metres of soil and rock.

About 100 residents will gather at the barging point today demanding it be moved elsewhere.

They say the new point is farther away from the construction site than the original location, which means the trucks will have to travel farther.

Ronald Chan Ngok-pang, the area's district councillor, said: "The trucks will have to travel two kilometres farther every day to the construction site, and that creates more pollution and safety issues." He will lead two more protests outside the Legislative Council next week.

The parent-teacher association of the Independent Schools Foundation Academy - one of four private schools in the neighbourhood - said a sudden increase in the number of trucks would pose a danger to pupils who walk, jog or cycle along the roads. "Our youngest pupil is just five years old," Edna Wong of the association said. "The roads are narrow and windy, and the trucks always move at high speed."

David Kidd, the chairman of the board of Kellett School, a British international school, said it was strongly opposed to the proposal.

Not only would the trucks worsen the traffic congestion, the air and noise pollution they caused would affect teaching, and use of the playgrounds.

A traffic bottleneck at the intersection of Pok Fu Lam Road and Victoria Road, in front of Kellett Primary School, would heighten the impact of these problems, he said.

More than 9,000 residents in the area have signed a petition demanding that the MTR Corporation move the barging point elsewhere.

The residents say the barging point at Telegraph Bay is already being used by the Drainage Services Department for a flood-prevention project. More than 100 trucks pass through the area every day.

The MTR Corp says it will only use the site after the department finishes its work early next year. Up to 300 trucks will be deployed at peak hours, but the average will be about 200.

"We believe this site is better than Kellett Bay, as it affects fewer households and the connecting roads are also less busy," a spokeswoman said.

The only road connecting the Kellett Bay barging point to the construction site is the dual-lane Tin Wan Praya Road, which is already busy with buses and trucks from a concrete plant and a sewage treatment plant. The trucks will now carry their loads to Wong Chuk Hang via Sha Wan Drive, Victoria Road and Shek Pai Wan Road.

Some residents suggested trucks should use separate routes to and from the barging point. They said departing trucks should use Cyberport Road, passing Bel-Air on the Peak before turning into Victoria Road. However, residents of Bel-Air on the Peak are not expected to support that.

The MTR said it would consider all proposals and would widen the affected roads and junctions.
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Old February 2nd, 2010, 05:43 AM   #2873
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【明報專訊】自1998年投入服務的機場快,迄今為逾億人提供機場及市區接駁服務,平均每日有約3萬名乘客量。港鐵車務營運總管張少華表示,將為機場快換上「新裝」,由本來藍色主調設計,改為湖水綠及白色,希望為設計添上活力和現代化感覺,整個換「新裝」計劃將涉逾1000萬元。

張少華指自1月底起,機場快已陸續為市區預辦登機大堂更換新設計,包括把標誌上「機場快」四字由黑色改為綠色、在穿梭巴士等候區增添電子顯示屏,以及翻新列車內的地氈、座椅等配合新設計。

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按目前進度,機場快將在今年年底全面以綠白兩色登場,所有服務員工也會換上更有活力的新服裝。本月中便是農曆新年,張少華預計,屆時外遊及抵港遊客人次將會提升,機場快正計劃在旅遊旺季加強班次,及加強宣傳目前提供的二、三、四人同行優惠套餐,配合不同旅客的需要。
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You may have noticed a change in the format of this thread and the number of posts has skyrocketed. The Subways and Urban Transport section is being reorganized, and each city will have a standard thread name much like in the World Development News Forums. The thread has also merged with 2 other predecessor threads about the MTR back from the day when threads are locked after 500 posts. So now this thread goes back to 2004. Enjoy!
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I seriously hate the new logo. You can't read the thinner words from a distance!!!
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You may have noticed a change in the format of this thread and the number of posts has skyrocketed. The Subways and Urban Transport section is being reorganized, and each city will have a standard thread name much like in the World Development News Forums. The thread has also merged with 2 other predecessor threads about the MTR back from the day when threads are locked after 500 posts. So now this thread goes back to 2004. Enjoy!
Can we change the title from "Subway" to something else, like "Mass Transit Railway (MTR)?
"Subway" is just so not a HK term for the same thing, but an underground walking instead.
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Can we change the title from "Subway" to something else, like "Mass Transit Railway (MTR)?
"Subway" is just so not a HK term for the same thing, but an underground walking instead.
I think the intention is to have standardized naming during the reorganization. Let me take it up and understand further with the relevant mods in this section.
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I'm sure they are fine with it, as Vancouver has SkyTrain, Paris has RER and Metro, etc.

Agreed that there is a need to have it changed to HONG KONG | MTR
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I'm sure they are fine with it, as Vancouver has SkyTrain, Paris has RER and Metro, etc.

Agreed that there is a need to have it changed to HONG KONG | MTR
Skytrain is not even the whole thing. It is managed by an organization called by Translink. But there are lines called Expo line, Millennium line, Canada line with underground stations.
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Skytrain is not even the whole thing. It is managed by an organization called by Translink. But there are lines called Expo line, Millennium line, Canada line with underground stations.
The thread name itself does not have to reflect the operator. Why would I not know my own city?

In the case of MTR, you would only call it the MTR because that's how everyone refers to the system as. Same with Paris and Metro/RER, Vancouver with SkyTrain (reference to the rapid transit lines), London and Underground, etc.
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