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Old October 17th, 2004, 09:54 AM   #281
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How long will the subway link be? Why didn't the KCR just build its Station just that bit closer to MTR's Station? Are there buildings in the way? After all the new Station does seem a bit too far...
Because there is an MTR track in the way. Moreover, the KCR line will be extended to Canton Road (just west of TST MTR station). If the station have been built to the west of the current location, trains will have to make a very sharp right turn when going from East TST to Canton Road.
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Old October 17th, 2004, 10:20 AM   #282
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Is the Station opened already? It looks like it is...

Why is there a First Class section for a subway?
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Old October 17th, 2004, 10:42 AM   #283
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The yesterday opened just today.

It's the KCR East Rail. It serves some cross border passenger.
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Old October 17th, 2004, 11:08 AM   #284
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The yesterday opened just today.

It's the KCR East Rail. It serves some cross border passenger.
Whats the difference between first class and the other train cars?

You mean that part of the platform area at all KCR East Rail Stations are segregated from the rest of the platform? They have staff or something at these areas to ensure that only first class passengers get in?
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Old October 17th, 2004, 11:59 AM   #285
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Ha ha, the yesterday opened just today. What kind of English is this?

I believe the seatings in first class compartments are more comfortable. Also, first class compartments tend to be less crowded.

The part of the platform for first class passengers are not segragated from the rest of the platform. But special scanners can be found on that part of the platform and passengers are supposed to swipe their cards on that scanner before boarding the first class compartment. Ticket officers (don't know how you call those people) occasionally ask passengers to show their tickets.
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Old October 17th, 2004, 12:31 PM   #286
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Well I get what you mean...who cares if the english used is screwed up...

Interesting...so how far into China does the KCR East Rail go?

Hong Kong's KCR & MTR amazes me...
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Old October 17th, 2004, 03:18 PM   #287
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it joins onto the china rail network, into shenzen , guangzhou etc...
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Old October 17th, 2004, 03:25 PM   #288
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Will there still be a merger of the KCRC & the MTRC? Have there been any new developments?

Why are Hong Kong's trains powered by overhead pantographs? Aren't these more vulnerable to being damaged by the strong winds of passing typhoons? as well as being an eyesore?
there's so many highrises in hk that the wind get blocked. lol,joking. im not sure but they do have a "roof" on top of certain sections of railway like , kcr east rail at mong kok, tai wai and some other areas, on mtr they have them on the red and green lines in elevated sections, none of airport express line. maybe they are protected in vaulunderable areas?
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Old October 17th, 2004, 09:38 PM   #289
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When KCR West Rail gets extended from Nam Cheong Station to East Tsim Sha Tsui Station, East Tsim Sha Tsui Station becomes part of the West Rail instead of the East Rail right?

If so, then won't the first class section of the platform at ETST Station be redundant since its now a West Rail Station?

And are the West Rail trains compatible with the tracks designed for East Rail? Or are the tracks able to handle both types of trains... After all, East & West Rail are pretty much different systems right...or not?

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Old October 17th, 2004, 11:47 PM   #290
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New KCR East Rail-Hung Hom link trial goes well
Hong Kong Standard Staff reporter

The trial run of the new rail extension linking New Territories East with Tsim Sha Tsui went relatively smoothly on Sunday as an estimated 60,000 passengers rode on the discounted trip.

Complaints about insufficient and unclear signs seemed to be the only criticism made to rail operator Kowloon-Canton Railway Corp.

KCRC chairman Michael Tien, who rode the line at noon, said the signs would be reviewed but larger signs were not feasible due to limited space.

"If we have to place more signs along the tunnel, there will be signs everywhere," Tien said.

Some passengers thinking the trial ride was for free were surprised to find it was only discounted.

"We also feared that if the ride was free, we might lose control of the situation," Tien said.

Most passengers found the service, which takes KCRC's East Rail connection past Hung Hom station to East Tsim Sha Tsui, convenient and efficient as they did not have to change lines at Kowloon Tong.

Tien greeted a passenger who told him to lower the fare. The chairman replied there was no room for fare cuts and urged the public to be fair and rational.

"If the service is competitive, the pricing is fair," he said.

The extension will officially open next Sunday. Tien said the corporation had been working under pressure to make sure everything was working after a recent spate of incidents involving both the KCRC and MTR Corp railways.

18 October 2004 / 01:48 AM
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Old October 18th, 2004, 04:21 AM   #291
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When KCR West Rail gets extended from Nam Cheong Station to East Tsim Sha Tsui Station, East Tsim Sha Tsui Station becomes part of the West Rail instead of the East Rail right?
Yes. And when that happen, the East Kowloon Line and Ma On Shan Line will also become parts of the West Rail.

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If so, then won't the first class section of the platform at ETST Station be redundant since its now a West Rail Station?
This is simple to deal with. All they have is to remove the first class signs and the scanner.

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And are the West Rail trains compatible with the tracks designed for East Rail? Or are the tracks able to handle both types of trains... After all, East & West Rail are pretty much different systems right...or not?

Thanks...
The tracks of the two lines are compatible. In fact, the newer East Rail trains are identical to those running on the West Rail.
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Old October 19th, 2004, 12:29 AM   #293
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September 17, 2004

Rail lines merger to 'cut fares, keep jobs'
Denise Tsang

Negotiations over the terms and structure of a proposed merger between the MTR Corp and the KCRC are far from over, but they will now be better informed following the conclusion of a technical study.

The rail corporations yesterday submitted a joint merger proposal to the government that mapped out a plan to integrate railway operations, adopt a transparent fare-setting regime and scrap interchange charges for existing and future networks.

While claiming the merger would bring down fares, the companies reassured their combined 12,400-strong workforce about job security should it go ahead.

"The space for fare reduction will be created from the economy of scale if the two companies are merged," MTR chief executive Sir Chung-kong Chow said yesterday. "Cost savings will come from bundling procurement and adopting best practice on operating systems, which provide space for fare cuts."

KCRC acting chief executive Samuel Lai Man-hay said new rail projects in Hong Kong and overseas offered job opportunities for staff members.

"We have set up a number of channels to communicate with the staff and gather their views," Mr Lai said.

Sir C.K. promised no reduction in the number of rail routes or stations and said train frequency would remain the same under a merged entity.

The government, which owns 76 per cent of the MTR and the entire KCRC, said it would take a few months to decide whether to press ahead with the merger and vowed not to base its decision on financial gain.

"The government won't execute the merger for the sake of cashing in on its assets," said Secretary for Financial Services and the Treasury Frederick Ma Si-hang.

Without specifying a time schedule for the merger, Sarah Liao Sau-tung, the secretary for the environment, transport and works, said it would take a few months to scrutinise the proposal as the two firms were expected to provide further information.

"We will also discuss with the MTR their proposals for preliminary transaction terms for the possible merger," she said.

The MTR, which went public in 2000, is expected to buy the KCRC, but analysts said they were unsure how many KCRC assets it would buy and how much it would pay.

Sources familiar with the talks said the MTR and the government were looking at various options.

"They are looking at the MTR buying the whole KCRC, or part of the KCRC or purely the operation rights of KCRC rail lines," one said. "They incline to the first option as the joint proposal assumed an integration of both ."

Even if the government decided to proceed, the merger would still require the approval of about 400,000 MTR minority shareholders.

With additional reporting from Cheung Chi-fai.
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Old October 19th, 2004, 01:17 AM   #294
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Source : Oriental Daily

New KCR East Rail-Hung Hom link trial goes well
Hong Kong Standard Staff reporter

The trial run of the new rail extension linking New Territories East with Tsim Sha Tsui went relatively smoothly on Sunday as an estimated 60,000 passengers rode on the discounted trip.

Complaints about insufficient and unclear signs seemed to be the only criticism made to rail operator Kowloon-Canton Railway Corp.

KCRC chairman Michael Tien, who rode the line at noon, said the signs would be reviewed but larger signs were not feasible due to limited space.

"If we have to place more signs along the tunnel, there will be signs everywhere," Tien said.

Some passengers thinking the trial ride was for free were surprised to find it was only discounted.

"We also feared that if the ride was free, we might lose control of the situation," Tien said.

Most passengers found the service, which takes KCRC's East Rail connection past Hung Hom station to East Tsim Sha Tsui, convenient and efficient as they did not have to change lines at Kowloon Tong.

Tien greeted a passenger who told him to lower the fare. The chairman replied there was no room for fare cuts and urged the public to be fair and rational.

"If the service is competitive, the pricing is fair," he said.

The extension will officially open next Sunday. Tien said the corporation had been working under pressure to make sure everything was working after a recent spate of incidents involving both the KCRC and MTR Corp railways.

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Old October 19th, 2004, 02:42 AM   #295
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Rail firm apologises for ticket row
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The Kowloon-Canton Railway Corporation apologised yesterday after some people got the wrong idea about its trial rides to and from the new Tsim Sha Tsui East station on Sunday.

The apology by acting chief executive officer Samuel Lai Man-hay came after some elderly travellers complained about having to pay $3.20 to ride between the new station and Hunghom, a trip they had thought would be free.

In fact, the railway was allowing passengers to ride between Tsim Sha Tsui East and other destinations for the same fare they would have been charged to or from Hunghom, but they had to pay if they rode just between the present terminus and the new station.

This was spelled out in advertisements publicising the open day but the words "trial ride" were in bigger type than the explanation of the minimum fare.

Speaking on RTHK radio yesterday, Mr Lai said the minimum charge was aimed at controlling the number of people going into the new station during the open day a week ahead of the official opening.

The rail corporation said it would donate Sunday's proceeds to charities as a gesture of goodwill. The amount and to whom it would be donated were not disclosed last night.

The company will also reconsider the use of the term "trial rides" to avoid future misunderstanding.

However, one caller phoned in during the radio programme expressing support for KCRC. He said the problem was with the people who mistook that the ride was free.
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Interim Results (January - June 2004)
Revenues + 11.8% to HK$3987 million
Operating Margin before Depreciation +4.7% to 55.6%
Property Development Profit HK$1153 million
Patronage +12.2% to 407 million

Patronage - Monthly Total (in 000s)
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Sep 2004
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651

Aug 2004
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Jul 2004
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Jun 2004
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640

May 2004
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Apr 2004
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Mar 2004
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650

Feb 2004
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578

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Old October 19th, 2004, 04:32 AM   #297
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Can anyone posting some new "Tsim Sha Tsui East" line PIC

【本報香港訊】斥資41億元興建的九鐵尖沙咀東站17日試業,全日約有6萬名市民到場親身感受,不少市民不滿「試搭」仍要收費,認為九鐵誤導公眾。乘客又批評車站設計有問題,包括指示牌不足、轉乘地鐵過海的行人通道太長等。
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Old October 19th, 2004, 09:20 AM   #298
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East Tsim Sha Tsui is just a station, an extension of the East Rail. Instead of terminating at Hung Hom, southbound trains now terminate at East Tsim Sha Tsui, a comfortable stroll away from the corresponding MTR station at Tsim Sha Tsui.
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Old October 19th, 2004, 09:35 AM   #299
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Can anyone posting some new "Tsim Sha Tsui East" line PIC

【本報香港訊】斥資41億元興建的九鐵尖沙咀東站17日試業,全日約有6萬名市民到場親身感受,不少市民不滿「試搭」仍要收費,認為九鐵誤導公眾。乘客又批評車站設計有問題,包括指示牌不足、轉乘地鐵過海的行人通道太長等。
Have a look at the KCR thread.
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KCR East Rail passengers must disembark and go through immigration at Lo Wu before walking into Shenzhen (Shenzhen rail station is right there in front of you when you walk out, though). East Rail shares tracks with intercity trains that you can board in Hung Hom, after going through immigration in Hung Hom Station. If you do so, you speed straight through Lo Wu. KCR East Rail, however, terminates at Lo Wu.

One more thing...West Rail trains currently run 7-car units, while East Rail runs 12. As ridership on West Rail increases, so will the number of compartments per train. I think there's room in each West Rail station for two more compartments per train.
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