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Old September 18th, 2014, 04:07 PM   #3601
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Yes this is it. Here is a quick rundown and the tentative finishing years:
  • Northern Link and Kwu Tung Station (2018-23)
  • Tuen Mun South Extension (2019-22)
  • East Kowloon Line (2019-25) [A new line]
  • Tung Chung West Extension (2020-24)
  • Hung Shui Kiu Station (2021-24)
  • South Island Line (West Section) (2021-26)
  • North Island Line (Interchange Scheme) (2021-26)

And a new map to illustrate what would be happening:
The English version of the gov report uses "Causeway Bay North" instead of "Victoria Park". (For political correctness?)
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Old September 18th, 2014, 04:12 PM   #3602
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Full speed ahead for seven links worth $110b
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Thursday, September 18, 2014







The seven new rail links will cost the government a staggering HK$110 billion, with the East Kowloon Line taking the lion's share at HK$27.5 billion.

Secretary for Transport and Housing Anthony Cheung Bing-leung said the route of the East Kowloon link, connecting Diamond Hill to Po Lam in Tseung Kwan O, is mostly uphill.

"A consultation company said the area is densely populated," Cheung said. "But it's worth considering in terms of its economic and financial effectiveness."

Construction work will start in 2019 and end in 2025.

Plans also call for a new North Island Line an extension of the Tung Chung Line and Tseung Kwan O Line along the northern shore of Hong Kong Island. It will link new stations, including Tamar in Central, the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and Victoria Park. Construction will start in 2021 and end in 2026.

The other links include the Northern Link and Kwu Tung Station, Tung Chung West extension, Tuen Mun South extension and South Island Line.

South Island Line will be the second most expensive, costing around HK$25 billion, with construction set from 2021-2026 as well.

The Northern Link and Kwu Tung Station will be formed by linking the Kam Sheung Road Station on the West Rail Line to a new station at Kwu Tung on the Lok Ma Chau Spur Line. Work is from 2018-2023.

There will be a new Hung Shui Kiu Station on the West Rail Line between the existing Tin Shui Wai Station and Siu Hong Station. Construction is from 2021-20
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Tung Chung West extension and Tuen Mun South extension will start in 2020 and 2019 and end in 2024 and 2022, respectively.

The bureau expects the new lines to bring annual economic benefits of HK$3 billion to HK$4 billion.

KMB, meanwhile, said it hopes the government will adopt a holistic view by developing the railway as well as other public transport systems. The bus company said the government should release the details of every railway project and explain how it will handle the road congestion each will cause.

"They should also consult different stakeholders, particularly road transport companies, to achieve an agreeable solution," it said.

The Hong Kong Construction Association welcomed the projects, saying railways are more environment friendly and a good network will make it easy for the public to travel.

District councillor Christine Fong Kwok-shan said work on the North Island Line should be speeded up because the Tseung Kwan O Line is now at its capacity while the Island Line is very crammed.

She said the East Kowloon Line can help separate the flow of passengers traveling from Tseung Kwan O to Kwun Tong, East Kowloon and accelerate the development of Kwun Tong and Tseung Kwan O.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 04:16 PM   #3603
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The English version of the gov report uses "Causeway Bay North" instead of "Victoria Park". (For political correctness?)
The name is my two cents only - I think the actual park name is much better than Causeway Bay North, in terms of its tentative location and the nearby road (Victoria Park Road).

If political correctness applies to the station names, there should not be "Queen Mary Hospital" and also "Tamar".
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Old September 18th, 2014, 04:51 PM   #3604
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Metro in Hong Kong is not developing that fast. But it needs that.
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Old September 19th, 2014, 07:15 AM   #3605
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So they have already decided to go with the interchange scheme over the swap scheme? Any possible reasons for the final decision?
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Old September 19th, 2014, 09:14 AM   #3606
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So they have already decided to go with the interchange scheme over the swap scheme? Any possible reasons for the final decision?
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The North Island Line will be an extension of the Tung Chung Line and Tseung Kwan O Line along the northern shore of the Hong Kong Island, connecting the vicinities of Tamar, the Hong Kong Convention & Exhibition Centre and Victoria Park (see Figure 11) with a total route length of about 5 km. This is essentially the “Interchange” Scheme put forth in the PE exercise. The “Swap” Scheme, which requires the splitting of the existing Island Line into two halves, is not adopted due to its significant disruption to the operation of the Island Line and impact on the travel habits of the users.

Also from the Executive Summary

6.8.4
The initial transport forecasts undertaken showed that the “Interchange” scheme would have similar levels of performance to the “Swap” scheme in reducing the crowding on the ISL, with the added benefit of maintaining the current service pattern of the ISL to minimise the disruption to existing travelling habits of passengers, in particular to many residents living on the north shore of Hong Kong Island.

6.8.5
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the “Swap” scheme provided a marginally better economic performance it was not recommended due to the negative impact on passenger’s travelling patterns, residents living in Fortress Hill and Eastern District, and the complex operational aspects of implementing the “Swap”. Additionally, the “Swap” would require additional TCL trains leading to a higher cost. In view of the above, the “Interchange” scheme was preferred.
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Old September 19th, 2014, 10:35 AM   #3607
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"significant disruption to the operation of the Island Line and impact on the travel habits of the users". Just what I would have feared. I think the swap scheme would have been more expensive to construct than the interchange scheme, also.
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Old September 19th, 2014, 10:58 AM   #3608
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Metro in Hong Kong is not developing that fast. But it needs that.
Hehe well Hong Kong has difficult terrain and geography compared to say other countries.........but IMHO, MTR is doing the best that they can amidst these constraints. =)
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Old September 20th, 2014, 02:49 PM   #3609
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I thought they'd extend the Tung Chung Line further east, at least to Exhibition. Would've been a good way to extend the Airport Express too and link both major convention centres as well as provide an easier interchange with the East Rail Line. Maybe the logistics of that is too difficult?
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Old September 20th, 2014, 05:11 PM   #3610
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I thought they'd extend the Tung Chung Line further east, at least to Exhibition. Would've been a good way to extend the Airport Express too and link both major convention centres as well as provide an easier interchange with the East Rail Line. Maybe the logistics of that is too difficult?
I agree that it's been a hindsight not to extend Airport Express to Exhibition to boost ridership, but extending Tung Chung Line to interchange with both North South Line and Tseung Kwan O Line is impossible now. Exhibition is designed to be a cross-platform interchange, so it is difficult to determine the effective interchange direction for all 3 lines. Exhibition station is quite crammed, so a 3-line (4-lines if Airport Express is extended) interchange complex is very unlikely to be built.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #3611
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Old September 21st, 2014, 04:26 AM   #3612
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I agree that it's been a hindsight not to extend Airport Express to Exhibition to boost ridership, but extending Tung Chung Line to interchange with both North South Line and Tseung Kwan O Line is impossible now. Exhibition is designed to be a cross-platform interchange, so it is difficult to determine the effective interchange direction for all 3 lines. Exhibition station is quite crammed, so a 3-line (4-lines if Airport Express is extended) interchange complex is very unlikely to be built.
Airport Express extension aside, there was discussion that it is possible to construct Tamar into a cross-platform interchange between TCL and TKOL. This design requires extra extension of each track at the end of the tunnel for turn-back. But I doubt the government would invest that much for reducing the interchange distance from just one ride of either escalator or elevator to walking across the platform.

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Old September 22nd, 2014, 06:31 AM   #3613
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Airport Express extension aside, there was discussion that it is possible to construct Tamar into a cross-platform interchange between TCL and TKOL. This design requires extra extension of each track at the end of the tunnel for turn-back. But I doubt the government would invest that much for reducing the interchange distance from just one ride of either escalator or elevator to walking across the platform.

I agree that it is still possible, but the whole NIL corridor is quite narrow.
The north side of the line is the Central-Wan Chai Bypass tunnel, and the south side is the PLA barracks to the west side and different buildings to the east side. The reverse tracks are likely to be in conflict with the Airport Express reverse tracks, due to be constructed from Hong Kong station to the west of the station, and the overlapping of Tsuen Wan Line immerse tube and North South Line tunnels (provisions have been made during SCL construction) to the east side.

If reverse tracks are not possible, both lines could terminate at its own island platform and interchange using escalators. This is similar to current Yau Ma Tei or future Hung Hom.
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Old September 23rd, 2014, 05:37 PM   #3614
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Rail complications in new lines
The Standard
Monday, September 22, 2014

Transport minister Anthony Cheung Bing-leung has unveiled plans for seven new rail projects costing HK$110 billion. Public feedback has so far been positive.

The new projects include East Kowloon Line, South Island Line (West), North Island Line, Northern Link and Kwu Tung Station, Tuen Mun South Extension, Hung Shui Kiu Station and Tung Chung West Extension.

They're seen to generate up to HK$4 billion of direct economic benefits.

While the public generally favors the rail expansion, there are concerns that Cheung and his team need to address.

Immediately, Hong Kong's biggest bus operator - Kowloon Motor Bus - questioned whether the railway expansion would undermine the firm's sustainable development.

It's a legitimate issue since, upon completion, the rail network will extend to 300 kilometers covering 75 percent of the population. Half of the public transport commuters will travel by rail. That' s significant.

It's hoped a new study promised by Cheung to review the role of different public transport modes can find an equilibrium point for all stake-holders. Even rail commuters like to have choices.

There are also other aspects to consider. First, who should build and operate the new rail extensions? In his answer, Cheung left it open by saying that whether the new projects would be run by the MTR Corp would depend on its capacity, and if other operators could enter the market.

Could the minister dropping a hint they may not go to MTRC as expected? That would be earth-shaking if he meant it. Maybe this was said to a public still skeptical about the corporation following delays and budget overruns for projects like the Express Rail Link, along with administrative shortcomings.

Second, skeptics are concerned that relations between the corporation and government could be complicated by the prospect of a legal fight to settle disputes over who should pay for the extra project costs due to delays.

Will the MTRC and government - who, incidentally, is the rail operator's biggest shareholder - end up in court? I seriously doubt it. Cost inflation will be the greatest concern. Although the estimate of HK$110 billion sounds big, it's conservative in view of soaring construction costs in recent years. It's a safe bet that the projects will be completed at a cost much higher than the estimate.

The public is anxious to see an effective mechanism to control the spending.

A bitterly divided society and tense executive-legislative relations could prove to be the biggest hurdle to overcome if the projects are to be completed on time and within budget.

Meanwhile, it's highly urgent for the MTRC to find a suitable person to fill the void left by former chief executive Jay Walder. The longer the delay in filling the vacancy, the greater the uncertainty in the leadership will become.

If there's a suitable candidate at home, wouldn't this be preferable to hiring an expatriate who doesn't understand local politics?

There's no doubt the railway development strategy will transform the SAR's landscape entirely to benefit most people.
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Old September 24th, 2014, 02:45 PM   #3615
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Veolia and Keolis better start lobbying the HKSAR govt for BOT contracts now :P
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Veolia and Keolis better start lobbying the HKSAR govt for BOT contracts now :P
Don't expect too much. Many believe the tender is only meant to relieve the public mistrust of government by inviting new operation candidates. So it looks like the government distances itself from MTRC. In truth, MTRC is given the precedence to choose whether they want to operate the new lines or not, which is quite unlikely they will refuse to.
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Old September 25th, 2014, 12:00 AM   #3617
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They can still take it to the WTO as unfair tendering. HKSAR is a signatory.
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Old September 26th, 2014, 07:29 PM   #3618
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Propping up SZ-HK Express Railway
19 September 2014
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Shenzhen officials are trying to keep the Hong Kong-Shenzhen Western Express Railway project alive after it was shelved by the Hong Kong government for cost reasons.

In an exclusive interview, an official with the Shenzhen Transport Commission told China Daily that the railway will have special significance to the future of the Qianhai Special Economic Zone. A close and efficient transportation link with Hong Kong can help the development of financial and other services in Qianhai, she said.

On Wednesday, the Hong Kong government released the 2014 Railway Development Strategy and it excluded the Hong Kong-Shenzhen Western Express Railway due to its questionable financial viability.

The Shenzhen official said, "I understand Hong Kong's worries about the project. Now is not a good timing."

"But Shenzhen and Hong Kong governments have been discussing the project for years and it will definitely continue, though not to start immediately," she said.

"I don't believe Hong Kong's delay of this project will have a negative effect on Shenzhen's railway construction plan or Qianhai's development. All of our transportation projects are ongoing as planned, including new transportation lines in Qianhai."

The project is regarded as a strong support to the development of the Qianhai economic zone in recent years because it is expected to be one important stop along the Western link. Shenzhen has been actively promoting the project in order to attract more Hong Kong businesses, companies and personals to participate in Qianhai development.

He Zijun, vice-director of Qianhai Authority said, "Hong Kong-Shenzhen Western Express Railway has been included in the national five-year plan and it is of great significance for cooperation between Guangdong and Hong Kong, and the implementation of 21st Century Maritime Silk Road. Qianhai will actively continue to work on accelerating the development of the project."

"The project will not only improve Qianhai's competiveness, and facilitate the cooperation between the two cities, but will also create favorable conditions for Hong Kong to develop New Territories District," said the Shenzhen official.

According to the original plan, the total length of Hong Kong-Shenzhen Western Express Railway is about 42 km, including 25 km in Shenzhen and 17 km in Hong Kong.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 06:40 AM   #3619
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Can you guys tell me how they update the PIDS in the trains each time there's an extension doesn't it cost$$$ ?
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Old September 30th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #3620
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The flashing system map above the door is simply a circuit board with LED lights on it and a panel with translucent holes at station positions on top of the circuit board. Extra LED lights can be easily added and the panel can be easily replaced.
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