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Old December 26th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #3681
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I'm reading this report and I didn't see any mention that Tamar will be terminus for both lines:
http://www.thb.gov.hk/eng/psp/public...ns/rds2014.pdf



Is Tamar still proposed as terminus?
During the consultation stage, the "Interchange" scheme includes both Tamar and Causeway Bay North as the candidates of interchange between Tung Chung and Tsueng Kwan O Lines. However, the final report displays Tamar using the interchange icon instead a station tick, so it is very likely that the authorities have come up their mind.

It is also easier to build Tamar as an interchange station. The location now is just part of the promenade and a regional road.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 12:38 AM   #3682
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Any reason they don't merge the Tung Chun line and the Tseung Kwan O line? Different frequencies? Different rolling stock? Etc.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #3683
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Any reason they don't merge the Tung Chun line and the Tseung Kwan O line? Different frequencies? Different rolling stock? Etc.
1) Different rolling stock and different door configurations.
2) The maximum train frequency on Tung Chung Line is 2.25 min, so any continuing lines will also have this limit unless turnback siding is constructed on North Island Line section to boost the frequency of the eastern part of the line.
3) There will be difficulty in creating an effective timetable to blend all current services on Tung Chung and Tseung Kwan O Lines. The Tung Chung Line (including Airport Express) has 3 types of services, and Tseung Kwan O Line also has 3. The frequency of each service is different. Weaving the services when they become one single line is already a problem, and if one of the services has delay, then it will easily run to an avalanche.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 05:40 PM   #3684
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And how much money would require to quadruple Harbour Tunnel for Tung Chung Line and Airport Express?
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Old December 28th, 2014, 03:33 PM   #3685
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Congratulations Hong Kong on new MTR extension. I'm looking forward to new lines. Map from urbanrail.net:



Photos from opening ceremony, taken from MTR's Facebook page:
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Old December 28th, 2014, 03:34 PM   #3686
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Again from MTR, first of 10 new South Island Line (East) trains settled into Wong Chuk Hang Depot on 20th December:





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Old December 28th, 2014, 03:36 PM   #3687
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And the first of the new Light Rail “2-in-1”Ticket Issuing and Add Value Machines are available for passenger use from 20 December. Passengers may experience the new ticketing facility at Siu Hong, Tuen Mun and Shek Pai stops:

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Old December 29th, 2014, 03:56 PM   #3688
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And how much money would require to quadruple Harbour Tunnel for Tung Chung Line and Airport Express?
Very expensive IMHO.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 09:02 AM   #3689
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1) Different rolling stock and different door configurations.
2) The maximum train frequency on Tung Chung Line is 2.25 min, so any continuing lines will also have this limit unless turnback siding is constructed on North Island Line section to boost the frequency of the eastern part of the line.
3) There will be difficulty in creating an effective timetable to blend all current services on Tung Chung and Tseung Kwan O Lines. The Tung Chung Line (including Airport Express) has 3 types of services, and Tseung Kwan O Line also has 3. The frequency of each service is different. Weaving the services when they become one single line is already a problem, and if one of the services has delay, then it will easily run to an avalanche.
Door configuration is the same on all pre merger MTR lines except airport express.

Tung Chung line and Tseung Kwan O line actually share k-stock, although there are some differences. It would be more getting the both lines and trains on the same signaling system.

any urban line should be able to run any urban stock, K-stock, M-stock and C-stock. although C-stock basically only runs on the Kwun Tong line and before the K-stock now only basically runs on the Tseung Kwan O line, there have been videos of them on Tsuen Wan and Island Lines. The K-stock trains were ordered for the Tseung Kwan O line but the trains the signaling system had issues with each other, so they were all moved to the Kwun Tong line.
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Old January 1st, 2015, 09:17 AM   #3690
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Door configuration is the same on all pre merger MTR lines except airport express.
Actually once I saw on YouTube a video where a Tung Chung Line K train was operating a Asia World Expo special service. Some of the train doors open only. So all lines except pre KCR lines are compatible even the Airport Express.

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Old January 1st, 2015, 09:24 AM   #3691
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MTR express their interest in tendering for the procurement of new trains to replace existing trains running on the Island Line, Kwun Tong Line, Tseung Kwan O Line and Tsuen Wan Line.

Means the older batch of MTR M-Trains going to retire by 2022?

http://www.mtr.com.hk/eng/tenders/C6014-14E.html
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Is the MTR gonna buy more types of trains because it wasn't happy with the C Train?

Does anybody have more details?
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 10:03 PM   #3692
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Actually once I saw on YouTube a video where a Tung Chung Line K train was operating a Asia World Expo special service.
They only operate those regular trains only during special events there (such as concerts, DJ gigs, etc.) when the usual Airport Express train may not provide enough capacity to transport hundreds or thousands of people to and from the venue.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 04:32 PM   #3693
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1) Different rolling stock and different door configurations.
2) The maximum train frequency on Tung Chung Line is 2.25 min, so any continuing lines will also have this limit unless turnback siding is constructed on North Island Line section to boost the frequency of the eastern part of the line.
3) There will be difficulty in creating an effective timetable to blend all current services on Tung Chung and Tseung Kwan O Lines. The Tung Chung Line (including Airport Express) has 3 types of services, and Tseung Kwan O Line also has 3. The frequency of each service is different. Weaving the services when they become one single line is already a problem, and if one of the services has delay, then it will easily run to an avalanche.
Similar question: How realistic or unrealistic would it be to through-run the East Rail Line and the South Island Line (east section) when complete? I don't think the current plan has their tracks meeting up at Admiralty, but that wouldn't be an enormous challenge.

Also, what about switching the termini of the Tsuen Wan Line and the Kwun Tong Line, so that the Kwun Tong line goes to Central and the Tsuen Wan Line to Whampoa (and maybe onward to North Point at some point).
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 06:07 PM   #3694
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Similar question: How realistic or unrealistic would it be to through-run the East Rail Line and the South Island Line (east section) when complete? I don't think the current plan has their tracks meeting up at Admiralty, but that wouldn't be an enormous challenge.
I think totally unrealistic, as the East Rail Line is basically a full-fledged train with 25kV power (Kowloon-Canton Railway), while the South Island Line East will be medium capacity 3 car C-Trains.

The original plan was not to let the East Rail Line terminate at Admiralty, but at Central South. This might still happen in the future.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 07:16 PM   #3695
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Kennedy Town MTR station opens but not everyone is happy with the pace of change
29 December 2014
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This morning, Kennedy Town commuters will troop onto the MTR's new West Island Line, ready to enjoy a smooth, seamless ride to their offices in the city. But long before that maiden journey, the city had already arrived in their corner of the island, in the form of ubiquitous shops and restaurants.

New residents, as well as restaurants, have been lured to the area, attracted by the prospect of the HK$18.5 billion MTR project. In the process, long-term locals have been left with mixed feelings at the pace of change.

With new homes and new businesses, rents have risen, squeezing out those unable to catch up and modernise. In 2011, the biggest casualty was the traditional Sun Chung Wah (or "New China") dim sum restaurant that had been in Kennedy Town for 60 years. It was dubbed one of the "three treasures" by locals in Western district. The other two "treasures" are a traditional tea cafe or cha chaan teng, Cheung Heung Yuen, and a congee restaurant, Cheuk Kee.

Cheung Heung Yuen, which opened in 1967 just opposite the now closed Sun Chung Wah on Belcher's Street, is famous for its egg tarts, cocktail and pineapple buns and milk tea.

Sixty-nine-year-old owner Chow Sek-fung recalled that when he took over the business in 1978, the Western district was a bustling hive of activity. Kennedy Town represented island life in the raw - vegetable and poultry wholesale markets, slaughterhouses with associated smells making their way into neighbouring streets, gritty factories responsible for everything from sweaters to sharks' fins, and seedy bars and brothels.

With development, many of these establishments have been relocated, along with the poorer inhabitants of the area - a number of whom have ended up in public housing in the New Territories. As a result, the working-class neighbourhood - which got its name from Hong Kong's seventh British governor Arthur Edward Kennedy, who served from 1872 to 1877 and reclaimed the strip of land along the harbour - has shrunk.

The long-awaited rail line is expected to revitalise the old district of Kennedy Town, which had 47,000 inhabitants as of 2011. And although it brought good business to his restaurant yesterday, Chow is not holding his breath. He believes the newcomers have different tastes.

"[The new rail line] is only powering developers to buy out old buildings [for redevelopment] … Only those who are well off will move in as they can afford the home prices," he said. "I think only one in 10 [of them] comes to the restaurant. It's usually the old residents who have been living in the community for a long time who come here."

Chow is not far off the mark, according to Elaine Fang, an assistant manager of property agent Midland Realty for Western district. She said people had been moving to the area since 2010 because of the MTR, and about a third of those were expatriates.

"It has become a middle-class community," she said, suggesting that their consumption habits were vastly different from those of long-term locals and older residents.

This gentrification is most evident on Hau Wo Street and the waterfront of New Praya, where trendy bars, hipster coffee shops, Italian restaurants and sushi places have taken the place of garages and grocery shops in the past decade.

The people who like to patronise such establishments are also those buying the newer, more expensive homes. Fang said this year alone home prices in the district had increased by some 5 to 10 per cent. A square foot at high-rise development The Belcher's now costs an average of HK$20,000. The price was HK$18,000 at the start of the year.

She expected home prices in the district would remain stable.

Fang said shop rentals had also gone up but were now moderating slightly as businesses found it difficult to cope with the heftier rents. "Landlords are less aggressive in increasing the rent now," she said.

Chow said he was fortunate as his landlord had been kind enough not to raise his rent drastically over the years. He said he was now paying HK$60,000 a month - up from HK$6,000 a month 36 years ago.

Like Chow, shopowner Ng Kai-ming is less troubled by rent than by thinning traffic. His stationery store, Knowledge Book Centre, opened in 1977 and moved to the quieter Catchick Street in 1996.

"Western district may be good for living, but will the MTR bring more people here? This is a big question," he said. "Many people tell me your takings must be quite good because you are the only store in the district. But I can tell you, it's still not as good as when there were seven or eight competitors in the district."

Ng's shop opens almost 365 days a year but he is struggling because the new arrivals prefer to shop at the malls rather than in an old shop. "It's a small business, and it really relies on customers from the local community. Many of them have now left [because of the redevelopment], so would it not affect our business?" he asked as he helped customers with their photocopying.
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Old January 4th, 2015, 12:31 PM   #3696
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Similar question: How realistic or unrealistic would it be to through-run the East Rail Line and the South Island Line (east section) when complete? I don't think the current plan has their tracks meeting up at Admiralty, but that wouldn't be an enormous challenge.
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I think totally unrealistic, as the East Rail Line is basically a full-fledged train with 25kV power (Kowloon-Canton Railway), while the South Island Line East will be medium capacity 3 car C-Trains.

The original plan was not to let the East Rail Line terminate at Admiralty, but at Central South. This might still happen in the future.
Actually impossible, MTR lines and KCR lines have different gauges.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 05:53 PM   #3697
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Similar question: How realistic or unrealistic would it be to through-run the East Rail Line and the South Island Line (east section) when complete? I don't think the current plan has their tracks meeting up at Admiralty, but that wouldn't be an enormous challenge.
It is not impossible but it does no benefit. East Rail Line trains (9-car, after Hung Hum to Admiralty extension is completed) is 3 times as long as South Island Line (3-car). If South Island Line uses 9-car train, the frequency will be reduced to one third. In addition, it needs 9-car train platforms for all stations. If East Rail Line uses 3-car train, it cannot fulfill the high demand along the line.
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Also, what about switching the termini of the Tsuen Wan Line and the Kwun Tong Line, so that the Kwun Tong line goes to Central and the Tsuen Wan Line to Whampoa (and maybe onward to North Point at some point).
They have tracks between these two lines that trains can go from one to another but what's the benefit of switching the termini?
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Old January 7th, 2015, 01:03 AM   #3698
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Actually impossible, MTR lines and KCR lines have different gauges.
Only by 3 mm, which can allow through running in most cases (deviation is within tolerance). The gauges are different on paper, in practice they are the same gauge.
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Old January 7th, 2015, 05:37 AM   #3699
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Mostly smooth start to new line
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Friday, January 09, 2015

About 100,000 passengers a day have used the MTR West Island Line over the past 12 days.

MTR East Region head of operations Francis Li Shing-kee said the service was mostly smooth in the first 12 days but passengers still need more time to get used to the new ticket-selling machines because some still fail to recharge their Octopus cards.

Li said operations at the interchanges in North Point and Admiralty have remained stable since the opening of the new line.
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