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Old November 10th, 2004, 10:45 PM   #441
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Is Sheung Wan a future Interchange Station or a Terminal/End Of The Line Station?

If it is a Terminal Station, isn't it common around the world to have both platforms at a Terminal Station left open so that in the event that a train has yet to depart from one platform, the arriving train can still pull into the other platform and use that instead?

If it was intended to be a future Interchange Station, what line was intended to use that other platform? And why won't that platform be used now even though it was intended to be the platform for another future line?

Freaky, reminds me of the abandoned platforms in NYC's subway system which were originally built to serve passengers but due to changes in original plans, were never used in the end.
The "abandoned" platforms were supposed to be a part of Rumsey station of the East Kowloon Line, which has been redesigned and is now known as the Shatin-Central Link. The redesigned line will no longer terminate (or pass thru) Sheung Wan so the platforms will probably be abandoned forever.
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Old November 11th, 2004, 07:31 PM   #442
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November 10, 2004

FURY AT NEW MTR CHAOS
Colum Murphy and Cally Cheng

Action has been demanded from the government following yet another fault on the MTR that delayed thousands of Hong Kong commuters at the height of the Tuesday morning rush hour.

One lawmaker urged the government to slap the MTR Corp with a written warning, and another called for the introduction of a points system that would penalise rail providers for poor service.

The latest incident took place at 7am when the signalling system detected a fault on the Kwun Tong Line between Shek Kip Mei and Prince Edward stations.

Inspections revealed a crack on a section of rail, which required trains to run at a reduced speed over the affected stretch of line, and resulted in five minutes of additional commuting time for 25,000 passengers. Normal services resumed at 10am with passengers complaining that they should have been notified about delays before boarding trains so that they could make alternative travel arrangements.

Following the incident, Secretary for Environment, Transport and Works Sarah Liao said it is unacceptable for train disruptions to occur every day, and the bureau called on the MTRC to provide an explanation by today. On Monday, services at Sheung Wan station were delayed for about 10 minutes because of a signalling problem.

The latest delay brings the total number of incidents on the MTR system to 50 since July. Taken in combination with the Kowloon-Canton Railway service, there were more than 90 delay-causing incidents over the past four months.

Legislative Council transport panel chairman Lau Kong-wah said, in light of the troubles, the Environment, Transport and Works Bureau should step up its condemnation of the rail company's poor performance. (Secretary) Liao can issue a warning letter to the MTRC,'' Lau said.

If a warning letter is not issued today (Tuesday) then the public will be very disappointed at the government's monitoring system.'' A bureau spokeswoman said: The railway inspectorate has asked the MTRC to submit an initial report by tomorrow and another technical investigation report to identify the root cause of the rail cracks, with recommendations for improvement, in two weeks.'' In addition, the government said it has written to the MTRC urging it to enhance track inspection and maintenance works.

Legco transport panel member Andrew Cheng said the chief executive and the Executive Council had the authority to penalise the MTRC for negligence under sections 14 and 16 of the Mass Transit Railway Ordinance. However, the definition of what constitutes negligence is vague, he said. In Legco next Wednesday, Cheng will propose the introduction of a points system, similar to the one used to monitor the infringement of traffic rules, which should make it easier to penalise rail companies for frequent delays. He said penalties could be in the form of fines or orders to remove defective rolling stock or equipment from service.

Cheng said the Liberal Party and the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment of Hong Kong have not shown support for his idea, saying existing provisions are sufficient.

If they are enough, there wouldn't be operational failures like (those experienced) in the past three months.'' Lau said a deterioration in maintenance standards and the increased use of outsourcing were the underlying causes of the recent spate of incidents. MTR railway union chairman Chan Sing-wo said earlier he feared maintenance checks might not be sufficient because outsourcing companies used by the company had less manpower. MTRC spokeswoman Catherine Sing disagreed. The affected section (involved in Tuesday's incident) has nothing to do with outsourcing.'' In the past, the company has insisted that its technical problems are not due to reduced spending or outsourcing.

Sing reiterated the company's commitment to safety on Tuesday, saying it had appointed an independent expert, Lloyd's Register Rail, to conduct a comprehensive review of its operations. Mark Ho, associate professor of Hong Kong Polytechnic University's department of engineering, said he did not believe the cracked line would have derailed a train.

There are a lot of features in there to double safeguard, even triple safeguard, safety,'' he said.

However, Lau said the two rail companies should face reality''. Issues are compounded, he said, by the proposed merger of the MTRC and Kowloon-Canton Railway Corp.

When the two join together will it become a giant with even bigger problems?'' he said, adding if the companies do not improve it will effect public confidence in the merger.
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Old November 12th, 2004, 07:56 AM   #443
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Pledge to regulate public transit fares
Teddy Ng
9 November 2004
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The government will formulate an adjustable fare mechanism system for public transit within four years, the city's transport chief said on Monday.

Secretary for Environment, Transport and Works Sarah Liao was responding to a complaint raised by a listener to RTHK's Talkabout programme. The listener said public transport fares were expensive and asked whether Liao would keep her promise to formulate a mechanism that would allow for fares to go down as well as up.

Liao said the bureau hoped to discuss the mechanism with lawmakers and have it in place before the end of the current Legislative Council term, which ends in 2008.

She said the government would consult bus franchisees next year, then the railway operators after a report on the merger of the MTRC and KCRC.

Liao said fares were No 3 on her list of public transport priorities.

Her first concern was safety, especially in the wake of recent accidents involving red minibuses allegedly ignoring red traffic lights.

She reiterated that the penalty for running red lights should be increased from three points endorsed on offenders' licences to between five and eight points.

The proposal to increase the penalty has been opposed by minibus drivers.

But Liao said deducting more points was necessary as red minibuses caused more traffic accidents and deaths than other modes of public transport.

Of 200 traffic accidents deaths last year, 11 were caused by red minibuses.

"This is 5 per cent of the total. I think it is serious and we need tougher penalties," she said.

Liao said her second priority was to rectify recent railway reliability problems that have caused numerous service delays.

Services at the Sheung Wan MTR station were delayed for about 10 minutes on Monday because of a signal problem that forced passengers to change trains.

Liao said the government would ask the MTRC to explain the causes of the problem.

She said that while minor problems might be acceptable, service providers should not take them for granted.
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Old November 13th, 2004, 02:21 AM   #446
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Ma On Shan Railway Pricing
- Ma On Shan to Kowloon Tong price will be less than $11
- $0.16 per 1 minute savings vs. other transit competitors
- no special savings upon opening
- Tai Wai interchange might be clogged
- 4 years of construction
- 4 rail cars per train, can be extended to 8

http://news.tvb.com/630pm/2004/1111/index.html
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Old November 13th, 2004, 05:23 AM   #447
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Old November 13th, 2004, 05:42 AM   #448
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From the Hong Kong media :

Ming Pao
馬鐵馬鞍山出尖東低14元
11月 12日 星期五

九鐵董事局已經通過12月下旬通車的馬鞍山鐵路收費表,由馬鞍山出尖東站將低於14元。

九鐵制訂馬鐵收費時,繼續沿用釐定西鐵及尖東支線票價所選用的時間值概念。這個方法先透過調查,找出區內居民對每次車程可以節省下來的時間究竟等同值多少錢,然後與同區巴士收費及行車時間作比較。早前九鐵調查便發現,新界東居民對乘車可節省的每分鐘的時間票值為0.16元。

政府今年8月呈交立法會的文件透露,乘馬鐵轉乘東鐵及地鐵到市區如尖沙嘴需時28分鐘,較乘巴士的68分鐘快40分鐘。以0.16元時間票值推算,市民願多付6.4元乘九鐵出尖沙嘴﹔以大圍至尖沙嘴的巴士票價為7.6元(八達通票價),馬鞍山至尖沙嘴的票價,連同時間值計算可收14元。

同一方法亦可計算出馬鞍山出九龍塘的時間票值。以九巴87D路線為例,目前由馬鞍山至九龍塘,車程約35分鐘,車費7.8元。日後用馬鐵,估計要用20分鐘到九龍塘,即可較巴士節省15分鐘,以每分鐘0.16元計算,時值票價2.4元。換言之,連同時間值考慮,日後乘馬鐵由馬鞍山出九龍塘的票價,可以收10.2元。

聽罷記者的推算後,田北辰昨晚對本報記者指出,由馬鞍山出九龍塘及尖東的最終票價,將會分別低於11元及14元。當記者追問具體收費時,他說收費表會令「市民略有驚喜」。他的語調暗示馬鐵的最終收費會明顯低於上述時間值。

接,田強調九鐵制訂馬鐵的收費時,有兩大依據﹕第一、收費不能高於同區巴士路線的時值票價,以保持競爭力﹔第二、收費所得必須足以支付營運這條鐵路的開支,折舊及回報可以暫時不理,但他強調若連經營開支也無法支付,公司「資金流」(cash flow)便會出現負數,最終會倒閉。

另外田北辰說,與西鐵不同,馬鐵沿線的半公里範圍內有幾十萬居民,只要票值有競爭力,不擔心客量不足,故暫時無意在馬鐵通車後提供優惠。對於有人擔心馬鐵乘客日後在大圍站轉車,可能會令大圍站變得擠迫,田北辰說必要時會直接調派特別列車,以大圍作總站開出。
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Old November 13th, 2004, 05:44 AM   #449
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Sing Tao
馬鐵票價平過巴士
11月 12日 星期五
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(星島日報報道)馬鞍山鐵路下月通車,九鐵主席田北辰表示,由馬鞍山至九龍塘票價少於十一元,但通車初期,暫無意提供任何優惠。

馬鐵將沿用釐訂尖沙嘴支票價的計算方法,即以每節省一分鐘,慳回一角六仙計算,田北辰表示,按有關計算方法,乘客從馬鞍山至九龍塘,車程約廿分鐘,車費僅十元多。

目前乘搭九巴87D,由馬鞍山至紅磡,全程七元八角,田認為,馬鐵較巴士快捷方便,票價略貴於巴士一成多,不會影響乘客選搭意欲。

他指出,對比西鐵,馬鐵沿有數十萬居民,甚具競爭力,不擔心客量不足。

由於大圍站屬馬鐵跟東鐵的交接點,馬鐵啟用後或會嚴重擠逼,田北辰表示,必要時調配後備列車以大圍為總站開出。

馬鐵歷時四年興建,由烏溪沙至大圍共九個車站,總長十一點四公里,全程十五分鐘,四卡車行駛,預計通車初期每日十萬人次。立法會交通事務委員會將於本月廿六日公布馬鐵票價。
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Old November 13th, 2004, 05:47 AM   #450
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Ming Pao - Fare based on Time Savings
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【 明 報 專 訊 】 上 月 中 , 九 鐵 向 立 法 會 議 員 簡 介 尖 東 支 線 的 票 價 時 , 遭 議 員 猛 烈 批 評 , 包 括 直 指 九 鐵 牟 取 暴 利 等 , 最 終 九 鐵 雖 然 堅 持 按 原 來 方 案 收 費 , 但 議 員 所 反 映 的 「 基 層 聲 音 」 , 九 鐵 高 層 當 然 不 會 輕 易 忘 記 。

本 月 底 , 九 鐵 高 層 又 要 重 訪 舊 地 。 這 回 是 要 向 議 員 簡 介 下 月 通 車 的 馬 鐵 。 九 鐵 主 席 田 北 辰 昨 日 便 透 露 , 由 馬 鞍 山 出 九 龍 塘 的 收 費 會 低 於 11 元 , 他 形 容 收 費 已 甚 具 競 爭 力 , 但 昨 晚 政 黨 回 應 還 是 要 求 更 低 的 票 價 。

月 底 將 應 付 議 員 更 低 票 價 要 求

民 建 聯 交 通 事 務 發 言 人 劉 江 華 對 記 者 指 出 , 現 時 馬 鞍 山 居 民 使 用 巴 士 轉 東 鐵 到 九 龍 塘 的 交 通 費 於 10 元 以 下 , 若 馬 鐵 的 票 價 不 低 於 10 元 , 根 本 缺 乏 競 爭 力 , 亦 未 能 達 到 減 輕 居 民 負 擔 的 原 意 。

與 劉 千 石 議 員 要 好 的 民 間 監 管 公 共 事 業 聯 委 會 發 言 人 蔡 耀 昌 亦 認 為 , 九 鐵 要 考 慮 調 低 收 費 。

議 員 的 反 應 相 信 也 盡 在 九 鐵 高 層 意 料 之 中 。 據 了 解 , 為 了 應 付 議 員 可 預 見 的 減 價 要 求 , 九 鐵 高 層 已 準 備 了 以 「 時 間 票 值 」 來 作 「 擋 箭 牌 」 , 試 圖 藉 此 說 服 議 員 接 受 馬 鐵 的 收 費 是 可 以 高 於 巴 士 , 道 理 是 鐵 路 較 巴 士 快 。 這 些 理 由 能 否 奏 效 尚 未 知 , 不 過 九 鐵 高 層 看 來 信 心 十 足 , 特 別 是 他 們 認 定 了 上 次 尖 東 支 線 收 費 一 役 , 便 是 憑  這 個 概 念 贏 取 了 一 些 支 持 。

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霍文表示馬鐵通車後需重組區內交通
11月 12日 星期五 12:48 更新

【orisun.com專訊】運輸署署長霍文指出,馬鞍山鐵路下月通車後,區內部分交通路線需要重組,署方正與區議會和交通諮詢委員會研究,但暫時未知確實要重組多少巴士和小巴路線,他表示,馬鐵通車後,當局會加強接駁巴士到鐵路站。另一方面,對於公共小巴安全的問題,霍文表示,署方正與小巴工會合作,工會向他們提供了不少正面的意見,亦明白小巴商會希望盡快在小巴安裝車速顯示器。

Residents along the Ma On Shan corridor are concerned that other public transit services will be cut once the railway opens. Residents in nearby Tseung Kwan O voiced opposition when some bus routes were cut after their new subway line opened.

Ming Pao
馬鐵通車料取消5條巴士線
11月 12日 星期五 20:00 更新

運輸署將於下周諮詢立法會,有關馬鐵通車後交通安排,其中5條巴士線將會取消。

5條取消的巴士線包括83P、86A、285、286P及287K,有多條巴士及專線小巴線要改路線或遷移總站,其中由利安去中環港澳碼頭的過海線680,總站會改在金鐘。

The Department of Transportation is planning to cut 5 bus routes from Ma On Shan following the opening of the KCR line.
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地產代理:馬鞍山樓市於馬鐵通車後,預料升幅達10%至15%
11月 1日 星期一 13:13 更新

Real estate market in Ma On Shan and Shatin districts will boom

《經濟通專訊》中原地產代理高級營業董事陳文偉於記者會上表示,馬鞍山鐵路於今年底通車後,預料區內樓價較今年5月份高峰期升10%至15%,估計當中以過千呎單位升幅最大。

他又表示,於馬鐵通車後,沙田區換樓客由於交通改善,故會有興趣洽購馬鞍山區樓宇。過去10個月,沙田及馬鞍山區交投量458宗,是該區成交量第二高位,預料交投量會持續活躍。
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Oh my gosh what happened? Did someone fall onto the tracks or something in the first pic?

On an unrelated note, are those MTR cops (if such a thing exist) or are they HK cops? cause I thought cops there have their ranks on their sleeves...or did they update the uni already...

Do HK's subways have security guards at stations?
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There are no uniform security guards working on Hong Kong's MTR network. However, station managers can easily call the police for medical emergencies and other incidents. There are attendants that help prevent people from crowding into trains during rush hour. They wear the typical bright yellow vests.
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Cool. More pics? haha
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