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Old March 5th, 2005, 10:57 AM   #661
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Is it just me or is it true that after the installation of the platform doors the MTR platforms are a lot more stuffy. Back in the days when the doors were not built a gust of wind would run through the platform whenever a train approached. That feeling has lost last time I returned to HK. The doors are all safe and everything but unless they upgrade their ventilation system, it's REALLY uncomfortable waiting for a train in stations with platform doors because of the heat.
Does any1 have technical data on the PSD's?

How does the train driver stop the train perfectly so the train doors' corresopond with the PSD's?
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Old March 5th, 2005, 11:04 AM   #662
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For amateurish rail fans like me, it seems interesting. But for the public, it's probably better to seal it off with a more permanent wall if it's not going to be used. It'd probably be pretty creepy later at night when you should be in places other than an unused metro platform.
Many homeless people around there?
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Old March 5th, 2005, 11:09 AM   #663
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Does any1 have technical data on the PSD's?

How does the train driver stop the train perfectly so the train doors' corresopond with the PSD's?
I believe the train stops automatically at the right place.
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Old March 5th, 2005, 11:10 AM   #664
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Many homeless people around there?
No one is allowed to stay in the MTR system for more than 90 minutes.
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Old March 5th, 2005, 11:48 AM   #665
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No one is allowed to stay in the MTR system for more than 90 minutes.
what happens if you do?
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Old March 5th, 2005, 12:13 PM   #666
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what happens if you do?
You will be charged maximum fare (and if you stay too long, you may have to pay a penalty of a few thousand HK dollars).
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Old March 5th, 2005, 12:13 PM   #667
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what happens if you do?
If you use an Octopus card, you'll be charged with the highest distance fare which is from Chai Wan to Tung Chung and I'm not sure how much it costs. On the other hand if you don't use an Octopus card, you cannot go out of the gates and need to go to the customer services centre to pay the money in order to exit.
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Chai Wan-Tung Chung: $23.1 with octopus. $26 paying with ticket
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Old March 5th, 2005, 09:08 PM   #669
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You can't get to the unused Sheung Wan platform without passing through the ticket gates. Therefore, the homeless wouldn't be able to reach it anyway.
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Old March 6th, 2005, 04:24 AM   #670
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its strange but there aren't homeless in MTR stations or close to it in hk ... unlike most other cities ... where they live in it or close to it ...
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Old March 6th, 2005, 11:47 AM   #671
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its strange but there aren't homeless in MTR stations or close to it in hk ... unlike most other cities ... where they live in it or close to it ...
thanks to MTR management. also CCTV cameras have been installed in every single corner of the stations.
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Old March 6th, 2005, 06:05 PM   #672
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馬鐵擬推月票 東鐵適用
暑假設轉乘優惠 推廣綠色旅遊

3/5/2005
http://www.singpao.com/20050305/local/682742.html



九鐵馬鞍山支線通車逾兩個月,每日客量平均約八至九萬人次,九鐵正積極研究「吸客」措施,包括於短期內推出優惠月票,更不排除將月票推展至東鐵全線使用,令來往新界北區的乘客同樣受惠,九鐵又計劃在暑假期間,夥拍巴士及小巴營辦商推出馬鐵假日套票,推廣區內綠色旅遊。另外,政府承諾會在公布兩鐵合併之際,同步公布沙田至中環鐵路線的最終方案。

馬鐵通車初期預計每日乘客人次約有10萬人,現時客量仍未達標,而九鐵主席田北辰去年12月中曾表示,馬鐵會在通車後三個月內,仿傚西鐵推出月票計劃。立法會議員鄭家富昨在鐵路事宜小委員會上,質疑九鐵為何遲遲未肯推出月票計劃,「(月票)係一家便宜兩家�荂A點解唔盡早推出﹖仲要收集�乜�數據﹖」

釐定價格前 多收集數據

九鐵運輸高級總監李殷泰指出,九鐵對月票計劃持積極態度,惟因馬鐵系統跟東鐵互相連接,乘客搭車模式及組合相當複雜,故需要收集更多數據,小心釐定月票價格。他更透露,不排除將月票的適用範圍推展至東鐵沿線,「如果最多人得益�情況,係包括東鐵在內�話,我�]會考慮﹗」

李殷泰續稱,為吸引市民乘搭馬鐵郊遊,馬鐵計劃夥拍其他交通工具營辦商,希望今年暑假期間推出假日套票及轉乘計劃,屆時市民若乘搭馬鐵到烏溪沙,再轉車前往西貢和北潭涌等地,便可享有票價優惠。

另外,九鐵上月提交獨立建造沙中線的方案,由於沙中線列車可同時使用八鄉及大圍車廠,故原有沙中線啟德車廠的規模,將可以大幅縮減﹔而為了避免進行填海工程,沙中線第四條過海鐵路隧道會向西移,隧道長度將縮短約200米。

兩鐵合併日 沙中線定案

不過,有議員批評沙中線早於2002年拍板,拖延至今仍未能「上馬」,擔憂整個計劃最終胎死腹中。

環境運輸及工務局副秘書長周達明則解釋,由於兩鐵合併至今仍在審議階段,未有詳細時間表,在複雜而不明朗的因素下,暫無法決定沙中線的「上馬」日期。

但周達明強調,局方無意「拉倒」沙中線,又指出兩鐵已聯手提交合作建造沙中線的方案,新設計較九鐵單獨提交的方案理想,而政府會在決定兩鐵合併的去向時,一併公布沙中線的最後定稿。
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Old March 7th, 2005, 06:59 PM   #673
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Summary of 2004 Results
http://www.mtr.com.hk/eng/corporate/...R-05-017-E.pdf

Financial
- revenue +10% to HK$8,351 million
- operating profit before property development & depreciation +21.3% to HK$4,546 million
- operating margin improved 5.1% to 54.4%
- property development profit HK$4,568 million
- Gross debt / equity ratio at year-end improved to 47.8% from 55.9%

Operational
- patronage +8.% to record high of 842 million
- construction of Disneyland Resort Line & Tung Chung Cable Car on schedule
- initial of a concession agreement for the Beijing Metro Line 4, February 2005
- first property development package at Tseung Kwan O Area 75 tendered, December 2004

2004 Profit before taxation : 5,196 vs. 5,198 in 2003 (HK$ millions)
Profit Attributable to Shareholders : 4,496 vs. 4,450 in 2003 (HK$ millions)
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Airport rail line falls short of expectation
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The Airport Express recorded 24 million passenger trips last year, six million short of the forecast the government made before its construction, an official paper revealed yesterday.

While the forecast estimated 66 per cent of the passengers using the airport rail last year would be overseas visitors, the actual figure was 58 per cent.

In a written reply to the Legislative Council, the Secretary for Environment, Transport and Works Sarah Liao Sau-tung attributed the rail line's lower than expected passenger numbers to changing conditions.

She wrote: "Some of the assumptions made then are different from the actual situation. The differences may be attributable to the rail's lower than forecast patronage."

The passenger forecast was made in the New Airport Master Plan in 1991.

It made a number of assumptions, such as that there would be no competition from buses; more than 60 per cent of overseas visitors would use the rail line; and there would be congestion on the North Lantau Expressway.

There are now 37 franchised bus routes connecting the airport and the rest of Hong Kong.

And while the Airport Express charges between $60 and $100 for a single journey, the bus fares range from $3.50 to $45.

Bus companies have 45 per cent of the market share, while the rail line has only 29.2 per cent.

The government study estimated the expressway's two-way traffic flow at peak hours would reach 13,900 cars, prompting people to use the train to save time.

The assumed congestion did not happen. The expressway's two-way traffic in peak hours last year amounted to only 4,800 cars.

Dr Liao made no prediction as to when the passenger numbers that had been forecast for the Airport Express would be reached.

She said the Airport Authority last year had commissioned a consultant to survey the market share between the rail line and other transport options.
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Patronage forecast of the Airport Express Line

Following is a question by the Hon Lau Kong-wah and a written reply by the Secretary for the Environment, Transport and Works, Dr Sarah Liao, at the Legislative Council meeting today (March 9) :

Question:

Among the passenger trips by land to the Passenger Terminal Building of the airport in 2002-03, those made by the Airport Railway accounted for 19 percent only, and such a market share figure fell far short of the 43 percent forecast in the New Airport Master Plan, drawn up by the relevant authorities in 1991. In this connection, will the Government inform this Council of:

(a) the basis on which the market share of the Airport Railway in respect of land passenger transport was arrived at in 1991, and whether it has looked into the reasons for the substantial difference between the forecast and actual market shares; if so, of the findings and whether the fare level of the Airport Railway is considered one of the factors; and

(b) the respective current market shares of various modes of land transport in respect of passenger traffic to the airport, and how they have changed over the past five years?

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Madam President,

The patronage forecast for the Airport Express Line (AEL) made in the New Airport Master Plan (the Plan) in 1991 was based on a number of assumptions, including competition from buses, AEL's fare level, air passenger volume and composition, and congestion on North Lantau Expressway. Some of the assumptions made then are different from the actual situation. The differences, as set out below, may be attributable to AEL's lower than forecast patronage, though it would not be possible to establish a causal correlation between them and the rail's patronage :

(i) competition from buses: the Plan assumed that there would be no competition from buses. At present, 37 franchised bus routes are serving the Airport and connecting it to various key locations in the territory. The current single-journey AEL fares from Tsing Yi, Kowloon and Hong Kong Stations to the AEL Terminus at the Airport are $60, $90 and $100 respectively, which are close to those assumed at the planning stage of AEL. The bus fares range from $3.5 to $45;

(ii) air passenger volume and composition: it was assumed in 1991 that by 2004 the Airport would handle 30 million passenger trips requiring connecting land transport. However, the actual figure in 2004 was 24 million passenger trips. It was also assumed that 66 percent of the passengers using the Airport would be visitors from overseas who are more prone to using AEL than passengers who are local citizens. However, in 2004, only 58 percent of the passengers using the Airport were overseas visitors; and

(iii) congestion on North Lantau Expressway: the more congested the connecting highway is, the higher should be AEL's patronage as AEL would save people's journey time. It was assumed in 1991 that the peak hour two-way traffic flow through the Expressway would be 13 900 passenger car units (PCU) by 2004. However, the actual figure in 2004 was only 4 800 PCU. The assumed congestion on the Expressway has not eventuated.

We believe that the figure of 19 percent for 2002-03 mentioned in the question comes from a consultancy report commissioned by the Hong Kong Airport Authority. The figure was specifically for comparing the usage of railway and the usage of other land transport modes. The consultancy did not examine the breakdown of the market shares of the various non-rail land transport modes. There is no information on the current market shares of various land transport modes serving the Airport. The last survey on that was conducted by the Hong Kong Airport Authority in 1999, and the results were as follows :

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                               Percentage of total passenger
Transport Mode                   trips to the Airport
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Rail                                      29.2%
Franchised bus                            45.0%
Private car                               13.1%
Taxi                                       3.8%
Hotel vehicle                              2.3%
Non-franchised bus                         4.4%
Ferry (Note)                               2.1%
Others (e.g. motorcycle)                   0.1%
(Note: In 1999, there was a ferry service running between Tuen Mun and the Airport. It was subsequently changed in 2002 to a service between Tuen Mun and Tung Chung Pier.)

The Hong Kong Airport Authority commissioned a consultant to conduct another survey in 2004. The survey will be completed shortly. We would only be able to assess the changes in the market shares over the past five years when the survey results are available.
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Not exactly related to transit, but how hard is is to get around in Hong Kong if you only speak English? I always thought it'd be fun to visit.
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Not exactly related to transit, but how hard is is to get around in Hong Kong if you only speak English? I always thought it'd be fun to visit.
Easy. English is one of HK's official languages so almost everything is written in both Chinese and English.
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