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Old August 22nd, 2004, 03:37 PM   #121
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Platform gates as in ''fences?''

Wouldn't the cost of installing them be high too...though its indeed cheaper than installing platform screens... MTR is willing to foot the cost? Or will it result in higher fares?

I think he meant glass screens
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Old August 22nd, 2004, 08:10 PM   #122
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 10:47 AM   #123
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cool!
how many "outdoor stations" (mtr) does hk have?
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 02:01 PM   #124
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Oh I almost forgot...

The contactless smart card technology is also being used in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. This card is known as ''Touch N Go''.

However, it is used primarily for Toll Charges on the nation's highways. Recently, they installed Touch N Go readers at 3 stations in KL's StarLine LRT system & in all stations in KL's PutraLine LRT system. The other stations in the StarLine LRT system as well as the stations in the KL Monorail network do not have the readers installed though as this is only a trial. Thus, if you enter the LRT system from a Touch N Go enabled station and if you plan to exit the system at a NON TOUCH N GO Station, you CANT!

Anyways this mode of payment is only on a trial basis and is NOT the main mode of payment on KL's public transportation network unlike in Taipei, Hong Kong and Singapore. They still use magnetic tickets, one type each for each of the 3 LRT/Monorail systems in KL.

WOW! You've got quite an extensive knowledge on the 'Touch N Go' system for a non-Malaysian!

Anyway I believe TnG is the oldest contactless smartcard system in Asia. It started back in 1993/95. Since July last year, all toll booths in Malaysia had accepted TnG. TnG are also gaining popularity for carparks.

Actually the only trial TnG had is for Starline (3 stations).

The entire Putraline had been using TnG since its inception in 1998 and so does its feeder bus service. Apart from that, a major bus company called CityLiner uses it on all its busses too (there are 3 bus companies in KL).

I saw contactless card readers at KL Monorail stations which I believe it should be TnG. I've asked a staff of the KL Monorail and he said that negotiations with TnG is currently taking place. I also believe that KTM Komuter is tinkering with the idea as well.

TnG chips are embedded into the Malaysian Identification Card which everyone must carry. So in the future, TnG would be extremely popular as everyone would have one .

One of the reason for the slow take-off of the card system (despite it being the oldest) is that often negotiations failed between the TnG company and these services company. With the recent call for an integrated contactless smartcard system, the Malaysian govt stepped into the picture and had requested all these companies to cooperate. First to be done are the toll concessionaires. The next target should be public transportation
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Old August 23rd, 2004, 06:20 PM   #125
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cool!
how many "outdoor stations" (mtr) does hk have?
6 altogether - kowloon bay, ngau tau kok, kwun tong, kwai hing*, kwai fong* and tsuen wan*.

i think the last 3 stations have air-conditioning.. not too sure
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Old August 24th, 2004, 07:52 AM   #126
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Also Heng Fa Chuen and Chai Wan. None of them are air-conditioned.
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Old August 24th, 2004, 08:02 AM   #127
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I think he meant glass screens
No I mean platform gates.
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Old August 24th, 2004, 08:33 AM   #128
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As in the platform gates you see at Japanese monorail stations...Sort of like railings along the platform edge...
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Old August 24th, 2004, 08:35 AM   #129
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WOW! You've got quite an extensive knowledge on the 'Touch N Go' system for a non-Malaysian!

Anyway I believe TnG is the oldest contactless smartcard system in Asia. It started back in 1993/95. Since July last year, all toll booths in Malaysia had accepted TnG. TnG are also gaining popularity for carparks.

Actually the only trial TnG had is for Starline (3 stations).

The entire Putraline had been using TnG since its inception in 1998 and so does its feeder bus service. Apart from that, a major bus company called CityLiner uses it on all its busses too (there are 3 bus companies in KL).

I saw contactless card readers at KL Monorail stations which I believe it should be TnG. I've asked a staff of the KL Monorail and he said that negotiations with TnG is currently taking place. I also believe that KTM Komuter is tinkering with the idea as well.

TnG chips are embedded into the Malaysian Identification Card which everyone must carry. So in the future, TnG would be extremely popular as everyone would have one .

One of the reason for the slow take-off of the card system (despite it being the oldest) is that often negotiations failed between the TnG company and these services company. With the recent call for an integrated contactless smartcard system, the Malaysian govt stepped into the picture and had requested all these companies to cooperate. First to be done are the toll concessionaires. The next target should be public transportation
Oh I have a feeling I know all that because I went into the Malaysian forums... Perhaps its even an entry made by you...

But anyways I get most of the information from the net... Literally a RAIL Fanatic...
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Old August 24th, 2004, 09:06 AM   #130
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Oh I have a feeling I know all that because I went into the Malaysian forums... Perhaps its even an entry made by you...

But anyways I get most of the information from the net... Literally a RAIL Fanatic...
Hiak hiak...I almost tot you went there yourself to investigate! Sze brought me on a tour on their "LRT" (yeah right...I have always contended that the name is highly misleading! ), so I had the chance to try out the sometimes convenient, and sometimes not so convenient modes of payment and transfer.

For eg, the TNG card also required quite a substaintial initial deposit, which is why he ends up lending me his card. Its not exactly tourist friendly, so they might want to look into that.

Not like the system in Singapore is excellent either. Lots of tourists cant be bothered about getting back their $1 deposit in their single-trip tickets, and the special tourist card is a little too "commercialised"? (you pay +++ just for some "package" which comes with the card, when all you might really need is to just get on that bus or train!)

What are the options available in Hong Kong for tourists?
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Old August 24th, 2004, 09:55 AM   #131
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Hiak hiak...I almost tot you went there yourself to investigate! Sze brought me on a tour on their "LRT" (yeah right...I have always contended that the name is highly misleading! ), so I had the chance to try out the sometimes convenient, and sometimes not so convenient modes of payment and transfer.

For eg, the TNG card also required quite a substaintial initial deposit, which is why he ends up lending me his card. Its not exactly tourist friendly, so they might want to look into that.

Not like the system in Singapore is excellent either. Lots of tourists cant be bothered about getting back their $1 deposit in their single-trip tickets, and the special tourist card is a little too "commercialised"? (you pay +++ just for some "package" which comes with the card, when all you might really need is to just get on that bus or train!)

What are the options available in Hong Kong for tourists?
Oh.....I did enquire about the tourist passes but I remember it ain't that convenient so I took the 'ordinary' Octopus instead. The deposit is fully refundable upon returning and it is HKD $50. The min reload amount is HKD $100.

As for TnG.....the deposit now is RM15 (used to be RM50 and that is what I paid many years ago!). The deposit is fully refundable upon returning it at any TnG counters.

I believe EZLink losses a lot of money for those Single-trip tickets as those cards are definitely gonna cost more than SGD$1.........I think many losses or wanna keep those cards.......
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Old August 24th, 2004, 10:03 AM   #132
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Oh.....and did you guys know that ya'll can now reload your Touch ‘n Go card at Maybank ATMs in Singapore before your trip to Malaysia?
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Old August 24th, 2004, 10:07 AM   #133
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Oh I have a feeling I know all that because I went into the Malaysian forums... Perhaps its even an entry made by you...

But anyways I get most of the information from the net... Literally a RAIL Fanatic...
haha.....I had a feeling you got the info about the TnG test from a posting by Baqthier a while ago complaining bout it....apparently he din see the signage saying that TnG is on trial at 3 stations so he just jolly used it and then discovered he couldn't exit from his destination exit!
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Old August 24th, 2004, 10:10 AM   #134
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Tourists just have a thing against stored value cards. Just as tourists to Singapore don't purchase the ezlink card nor the Visitor's Card but instead purchase the Standard Ticket, a friend of mine who visited HK recently didn't purchase the tourist card there too but instead purchased the magnetic single trip one and kept one for me as a cheap but nice gift.

The main reason: Too big an initial investment of sorts... They assume that they don't commute around that much by train and bus. After all if taxi fares are cheap, why bother taking the train...

Anyways the card brings back memories of our magnetic card days...used to have nice pictures on them...Now on the standard tickets its just ''Standard Ticket'' written in large fonts on a green card. How can HK manage a multi operator and extensive system and still rely on magnetic. That was the reason that the Singapore operators decided to cancel out magnetic..

Hope that Singapore has a ezlink rewards system too...HK Has it... I think Taipei has it...

Even Mcdonalds has it...
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haha.....I had a feeling you got the info about the TnG test from a posting by Baqthier a while ago complaining bout it....apparently he din see the signage saying that TnG is on trial at 3 stations so he just jolly used it and then discovered he couldn't exit from his destination exit!
I MEAN IT IS DAMN WEIRD... How can they put something on trial...and test the system's competancy when not all stations have it... At least when they tried out in Singapore all stations had at least a reader installed...

Why do they name it LRT... very irritating... I almost tot it was really a LRT initially until I realized that STAR trains are so long......................
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I like the way the various modes of transport in Singapore are differentiated by type rather than company name...LRT/MRT/Bus/Taxi

Because they keep referring to the trains in HK as MTR, I almost tot that was all there was to it...Until I realized quite some time later that there is KCR...and then I realized there was KCR East Rail, West Rail, Light Rail...So confusing...

Come to think of it...HK's network is damn long............What's the total system length for all subway lines...not light rail...
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I MEAN IT IS DAMN WEIRD... How can they put something on trial...and test the system's competancy when not all stations have it... At least when they tried out in Singapore all stations had at least a reader installed...

Why do they name it LRT... very irritating... I almost tot it was really a LRT initially until I realized that STAR trains are so long......................

That I have no idea why Starline had 3 stations on trial while Putraline, all our tolls, Cityliner buses, themeparks and carparks all had a full system (all entrances and exits) when they adopted TnG.

Even KL Monorail had contactless card readers at all its stations at the moment but there isn't any indication of TnG (which is worrying!)
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Old August 24th, 2004, 10:32 AM   #138
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Tourists just have a thing against stored value cards. Just as tourists to Singapore don't purchase the ezlink card nor the Visitor's Card but instead purchase the Standard Ticket, a friend of mine who visited HK recently didn't purchase the tourist card there too but instead purchased the magnetic single trip one and kept one for me as a cheap but nice gift.

The main reason: Too big an initial investment of sorts... They assume that they don't commute around that much by train and bus. After all if taxi fares are cheap, why bother taking the train...
I as a tourist like stored valued cards. I like it (esp Bangkok's BTS) where one could keep the card as well as some brochures and a nice packaging that comes with the pack and it doesn't cost too much - 300 Baht!

Initially I wanted to keep an Octopus card but I figured it was too expensive. I did have an EZLink with me ( there's still SGD $12 in it ) and I find it convenient that once I reach Singapore, all I've gotta do is to use it without to worry about getting another stored value card.

I use these cards a lot as I find taxis in Singapore and HK (to an extent - Bangkok!) expensive. Yea.....KL's taxis are the cheapest. HK's taxis are freakingly expensive.......Singapore's second and lastly Bangkok's.

And I tend to stay near train stations
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I think public transport operators there should ''wake up''. I mean they build lines without physical integration (Heard that KL Monorail is not integrated with KL Sentral even though it has a station there), no fare integration (3 different cards, 3 different lines, reminds me of Manila's MRT/LRT system...) etc. They think too much of their own companies, thinking that is best... The ironic thing is that they have a nice nice map saying ''Integrated transit system of Kuala Lumpur''. Sometimes I wonder what are they doing........

Wow so basically Malaysia has all along had a ''SECRET CARD''... Only Malaysians knew about the card.........until now...........
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I as a tourist like stored valued cards. I like it (esp Bangkok's BTS) where one could keep the card as well as some brochures and a nice packaging that comes with the pack and it doesn't cost too much - 300 Baht!

Initially I wanted to keep an Octopus card but I figured it was too expensive. I did have an EZLink with me ( there's still SGD $12 in it ) and I find it convenient that once I reach Singapore, all I've gotta do is to use it without to worry about getting another stored value card.

I use these cards a lot as I find taxis in Singapore and HK (to an extent - Bangkok!) expensive. Yea.....KL's taxis are the cheapest. HK's taxis are freakingly expensive.......Singapore's second and lastly Bangkok's.

And I tend to stay near train stations
Its weird but I until recently started collecting train tickets....not much of a collection....but its something...
1. HK MTR Adult Single Journey Ticket (Wanted to get the Octopus but friend said it was VERY EXPENSIVE)
2. Taipei EasyCard
3. Some rubbish London Underground ticketS...Looks flimsy, doesn't look like it has any technological value in it...

Maps:
1. London Underground
2. Taipei Metro
3. Bangkok BTS
4. HK MTR
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