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Old May 16th, 2007, 02:57 AM   #1801
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Old May 16th, 2007, 01:02 PM   #1802
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Old May 18th, 2007, 02:46 PM   #1803
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Old May 19th, 2007, 08:16 AM   #1804
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Not really pink, it should be the color the light Bauhinia, the city flower of HK.



Bauhinia's Flower
Man........that flower is nice...c",)..........I wish I could plant something like that in my front yard.............!!!!!
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Old May 19th, 2007, 06:01 PM   #1805
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Old May 20th, 2007, 06:32 AM   #1806
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Old May 21st, 2007, 05:53 PM   #1807
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Old May 21st, 2007, 11:10 PM   #1808
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Kowloon Station is still very empty. I wonder how much better it will be when the developments above are all completed?

It will be 10 years old already in 2008...
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 03:10 AM   #1809
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The station is empty... they closed portions of it.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 07:12 AM   #1810
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Watchdog to probe secrecy on suicide data
Access to MTR records blocked

20 May 2007
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The Ombudsman has launched an investigation into why transport officials defied its ruling to release information about suicides on MTR tracks to a university researcher.

The Environment, Transport and Works Bureau's refusal to provide the data - a decision the Ombudsman said was unjustified - has thrown into doubt the effectiveness of the Code on Access to Information, which was set up in 1995 to allow the public to obtain official data. It is believed to be the first time the Ombudsman's ruling over the code has been defied.

Legal experts have attacked the decision and lawmakers said the code should be upgraded into law, which would mean courts could force the release of information.

Fu King-wa, of the University of Hong Kong's Centre for Suicide Research and Prevention, asked the MTR Corporation and Kowloon-Canton Railway Corporation in April last year for information on suicides and attempt suicides from 1997.

He wanted to know the date, time location and severity of each incident, the age and sex of the victim and the effect on train services.

The KCRC provided the data but the MTR Corp refused. Mr Fu then requested the data from the Environment, Transport and Works Bureau via the code. There were more than 100 cases of suicide and attempted suicide on MTR tracks between 1997 and 2005. The bureau replied that the information would not be released because of privacy concerns. It told Mr Fu that anyone matching the information requested with newspaper reports could identify the dead or injured and their relatives.

Mr Fu complained to the Ombudsman in September and stressed the information would not be used in a way that would identify anyone. He also said the data was in the public interest because it would be used to analyse the effectiveness of screen doors in preventing suicides.

The Ombudsman ruled in January that the bureau's decision was "well intentioned but narrowly based and not justified".

Mr Fu said the bureau reiterated to him last month that it would not release the information. The Ombudsman then told him it was launching an investigation.

"But officers at the Ombudsman told me even if a full investigation proved me right again, it could only release its findings to the public and write a letter to the chief executive. It still cannot force the bureau to release the data," he said.

"In this case I have a lot of doubts on the effectiveness of the code. The data I requested is very simple and straightforward. I need these official records for the study. I cannot rely on newspapers' reports."

Legal experts said there were no privacy issues. Stefan Lo Huoy-cheng, an expert in privacy law at City University, said laws only protected the living.

"The law also exempts personal data from protection where they are to be used for preparing statistics or carrying out research if the individuals would not be identified," he said.

HKU law professor Eric Cheung Tat-ming said: "The grounds of privacy concern are not justified in this case. Age and gender are common information which would not reveal the identity of a person."

Fernando Cheung Chiu-hung, who represents the social welfare sector, described the government's decision as unbelievable. The lawmaker said he would ask for the data via the Legislative Council.

"I cannot understand the officials' rationale. What they did will only raise speculation on whether there are things they want to hide. This will make people doubt whether the code is useful in getting important data."

A bureau spokesman said they adhered to the code in handling every request for information.

An Ombudsman spokesman said the office was not legally allowed to reveal details about an inquiry.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 07:14 AM   #1811
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MTR agrees to point out staff facilities in absence of public toilets
19 May 2007
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The MTR Corporation will put up signs and notices in stations over the next two to three months to tell passengers they are welcome to use staff toilets.

Head of operations Wilfred Lau Cheuk-man made the promise yesterday after again refusing to install public toilets in the 45 underground stations, citing technical problems.

Mr Lau's refusal at a Legislative Council rail merger bill panel meeting sparked criticism from lawmakers who said it was ridiculous and unacceptable.

He said it would be immensely difficult to retrofit sewerage in the underground stations, which were not built to include such facilities.

"The ground of the concourse level is lined with many high-voltage power cables so it is very difficult for us to build toilets there," Mr Lau said. "We can't build them on the platform, either, because there is not enough space."

However, each underground station is equipped with seven toilets for its staff and shop tenants. They have been made available to passengers for some time, but until now their accessibility has not been advertised. Mr Lau said that would change.

Independent legislator Albert Chan Wai-yip said the MTR Corp was failing to provide an adequate service to the public. "[The MTR Corp] has no problem fitting in the sewage systems for its tenants, like Starbucks and Maxim's, but when it comes to the need of the public, they have insurmountable technical problems."

Selina Chow Liang Shuk-yee, of the Liberal Party, said the MTR Corp's reason was unacceptable.

"We are in the 21st century and Hong Kong is a world-class city," said Ms Chow. "Isn't it laughable that you say installing a toilet underground is unfeasible?"

A telephone survey, commissioned by legislator Mandy Tam Heung-man, which polled 513 people showed that some 83 per cent of respondents believed the MTR Corp should install toilets in the underground stations. Some 80 per cent of respondents said that they did not know staff toilets in the stations may be used by passengers.

There are toilets in every KCR station.

Deputy transport secretary Patrick Ho Chung-kei said the MTR Corp would include toilets in the planning of new rail lines, and was also reviewing the possibility of retrofitting toilets in eight stations above ground.
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 12:50 AM   #1812
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This is somewhat understandable yet ridiculous. HK does have a lot of buildings requiring lots of utilities underground in a limited space, so that is why any new underground structures have to be carefully built around it. However, if they have staff toilets, why not build customer toilets next to it? The "sewage" and electrical problems would me minimized.Unless the staff toilets are in the unpaid area, then that would invite a lot of nonpaying public to use.
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 10:38 AM   #1813
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 11:02 AM   #1814
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Not really a good idea to have toilets or bins in subway stations, you can hide bombs there. That's why there aren't any here... Of course when they want to blow themselves up there isn't much you can do!
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 11:57 AM   #1815
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Not really a good idea to have toilets or bins in subway stations, you can hide bombs there. That's why there aren't any here... Of course when they want to blow themselves up there isn't much you can do!
Thats hardly the problem. Having toilets underground need good air circulation or else the entire station can smell like urine.
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 12:36 PM   #1816
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Thats hardly the problem. Having toilets underground need good air circulation or else the entire station can smell like urine.
So bombs are hardly a problem? sheesh.

And isn't the MTR air conditioned?
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 01:43 PM   #1817
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So bombs are hardly a problem? sheesh.

And isn't the MTR air conditioned?
ALL MTR trains and underground stations are already have A/C, where some old surface stations like Ngau Tau Kok and Kwai Hing are still non-A/C.
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 02:47 PM   #1818
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ALL MTR trains and underground stations are already have A/C, where some old surface stations like Ngau Tau Kok and Kwai Hing are still non-A/C.
So smell wouldn't be a problem as zergcerebrates says?
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 02:52 PM   #1819
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if Melbourne's extensive s-bahn type system that is ourdoors doesn't have toilets at every stn, then why should the MTR?
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Old May 24th, 2007, 01:26 AM   #1820
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if Melbourne's extensive s-bahn type system that is ourdoors doesn't have toilets at every stn, then why should the MTR?
Um.. what does that have to do with having toilets?? So you're saying that just because other metro doesn't have platform screen doors mean the MTR can't have PSD?
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