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London, UK 280 25.23%
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Old June 1st, 2008, 04:34 PM   #4501
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it is only your opinion. we have the same chances like the others.
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Old June 1st, 2008, 11:01 PM   #4502
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it is only your opinion. we have the same chances like the others.
Obviously not. Baku is not London or Athens or anything like that, in terms of infrastucture.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 12:47 AM   #4503
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Obviously not. Baku is not London or Athens or anything like that, in terms of infrastucture.
I like to think it's not decisive. Then again- I don't recall London or Athens having even 5% of the ambition to change their infrastructure. It's not all about having, but also about developing. And many believe Baku could surprise the world in this matter, me too.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 10:32 AM   #4504
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Apart from the fact that London is developing the area the size of a small city for these Games you're right, London has little ambition to change its infrastructure!! lol!
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 11:28 AM   #4505
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I like to think it's not decisive. Then again- I don't recall London or Athens having even 5% of the ambition to change their infrastructure. It's not all about having, but also about developing. And many believe Baku could surprise the world in this matter, me too.
huh? ure kidding right?
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 03:42 PM   #4506
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huh? ure kidding right?
If South Africa can organize a World cap then anything could happen!!!
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 04:22 PM   #4507
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If South Africa can organize a World cap then anything could happen!!!
world cap?

7 rail lines to the olympic park, the largest urban park in europe for 150 years...using venues like wembley, wimbledon, lords...and the budget to back up that ambition. if anything london 2012 might be called overambitious. baku is hardly the city to be using as yardstick esp during its last 48 hours in the 2016 race.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 05:12 PM   #4508
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Baku is not London or Athen, thats right. Baku is developing, the infrastructure is changing. & Baku could surprise the world its correct.
I believe in it & Azerbaijani Republic will do everything to make all this.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 05:19 PM   #4509
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world cap?

7 rail lines to the olympic park, the largest urban park in europe for 150 years...using venues like wembley, wimbledon, lords...and the budget to back up that ambition. if anything london 2012 might be called overambitious. baku is hardly the city to be using as yardstick esp during its last 48 hours in the 2016 race.
So look at starting points of London and Baku, maybe you'll notice the difference in ambition- the way I mean it.
What effort was for London2012 to use Wembley or Wimbledon if these venues already existed when London started bidding (Wembley was initailly planned too anyway)? None. So an attempt to solve all major problems (let's face it- poor transportation, extreme pollution and living standards are issues that don't exist in London or by far not in that scale) of a reasonably big capital city and trying to build what I see as very impressive olympic complex is more for me.

RobH- London is developing an area of a small city's size. wow Azeris want to redevelop the whole capital city. See the difference?

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OK, maybe you're right in that regard. But that only makes my initial point stronger. If, as you suggest, Baku needs complete redevelopment to get it up to Olympic standard in terms of transportation, hotels, environment etc. why should the IOC risk shortlisting its bid?
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world cap?
I think he meant a world 'night CAP.'
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 10:11 PM   #4512
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OK, maybe you're right in that regard. But that only makes my initial point stronger. If, as you suggest, Baku needs complete redevelopment to get it up to Olympic standard in terms of transportation, hotels, environment etc. why should the IOC risk shortlisting its bid?
Funny you should say that. Many commentators and journalists asked the same question about shortlisting Poland&Ukraine for Euro 2012.
By the way- I didn't say for one second I think they will get it now. But I have a lot of respect for this underdog, no matter how odd the whole bid seems.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 10:20 PM   #4513
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I'm all behind this bid, great venues, great city, great people. This is a HUGE opportunity to increase attractiveness of Azerbaijan as a tourist resort.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 10:50 PM   #4514
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So look at starting points of London and Baku, maybe you'll notice the difference in ambition- the way I mean it.
What effort was for London2012 to use Wembley or Wimbledon if these venues already existed when London started bidding (Wembley was initailly planned too anyway)? None. So an attempt to solve all major problems (let's face it- poor transportation, extreme pollution and living standards are issues that don't exist in London or by far not in that scale) of a reasonably big capital city and trying to build what I see as very impressive olympic complex is more for me.

RobH- London is developing an area of a small city's size. wow Azeris want to redevelop the whole capital city. See the difference?
i disagree. londons project is plenty ambitious. if i described what baku was doing i'd use "admirable" yet optimistic. phrases the IOC have included in their report due on 4 june.

using sydney, athens and even beijing as a base, london's project as a whole is quite significant and as Denis Oswald confirmed, the level of detail and planning is unprecedented. if anything london has the best of both worlds, building tons of new venues and using existing iconic and world class venues.

olympic stadium
velodrome
handball arena
basketball arena
hockey stadium
whitewater centre
bmx park
aquatic centre
paralympic tennis centre
sailing venue
greenwich arenas

major upgrades to its already iconic base of venues
- the dome into the O2
- wimbledon and a retractable roof
- wembley finally being completed-
- upgrades to lords

the package is almost out of this world.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 11:25 PM   #4515
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I still see no change here. I never said London's project is poorly planned or includes outdated infrastructure.
But I guess we're arguing about specific terms rather than facts. I see nothing bad in Baku's bid being "admirable, yet optimistic". As I said, London will build what you listed above, Baku wants to change the whole city around. Plus the difference of potentials- immense. So, no comparison for me in these terms.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 12:03 AM   #4516
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Baku won't get Olympics.
Why?
1) There is an unwritten rule that no city is awarded with olympics after their first bid.
2) Azerbajan is at war with neighbourging Armenia.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 12:18 AM   #4517
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I still see no change here. I never said London's project is poorly planned or includes outdated infrastructure.
But I guess we're arguing about specific terms rather than facts. I see nothing bad in Baku's bid being "admirable, yet optimistic". As I said, London will build what you listed above, Baku wants to change the whole city around. Plus the difference of potentials- immense. So, no comparison for me in these terms.
i think we are debating different things.

The Baku project is admirable but I'd like to see it begin before its next bid and regardless of a bid. The location and venue plan as a whole is quite good and the aims to improve significant areas of the city is admirable.

The room for transformation is Baku is of course much greater since its starting from a much lower base than London.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 10:29 PM   #4518
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Old June 4th, 2008, 04:36 PM   #4519
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I love the stadium and olympic villages, look great, breathtaking. One of the greatest stadium designs i have seen for a long time. Reminds me of the olympiastadion in Munich.
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Old June 4th, 2008, 07:10 PM   #4520
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Goodbye Baku. Come back in 4 years.
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