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View Poll Results: host city of Olympics 2012
London, UK 280 25.23%
Madrid, Spain 342 30.81%
Moscow, Russia 90 8.11%
New York, USA 206 18.56%
Paris, France 192 17.30%
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Old June 5th, 2008, 09:00 PM   #4581
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if i didnt say it a thousand times then the other said it a million

for gods sake Doha's population is 995,000 ! and the country as whole is 1,025,000

what kind of sterotype information is this ! check the bid book and the goverment fies both state that qatar is above a million and next year its etimated doha will reach a million fully.... by 2016 doha's population would be 2 million.

the IOC is so unfair, other cities hosted it in other timings and now they come and kick us out ! this is an outrage and an insult !!! what kind of racisim is this !

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Old June 5th, 2008, 09:06 PM   #4582
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so your clearly saying the middle east and north africa will never host the olympics in history ?
Not unless there are no cities with more temperate climate bidding.

Consider that there has never been a Summer Olympics in the equatorial belt of the world. Yes, weather has a lot to do with it. Same thing as the "Winter" Games which are even more weather and geography-dependent. Even a country like the UK or a Denmark CAN NEVER host a Winter Games because they do not have the mountains which require the minimum 800m drop for the Alpine sports.

So, yes, certain parts of the world just will NOT have a chance to host an Olympic Games -- Summer or Winter. And it's less stressful to accept that rather than try to fight it.

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Old June 5th, 2008, 09:07 PM   #4583
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other cities have held it the outside dates as well, not Doha only.
I guess that's true:

London 1948: July 29th - August 14th
Helsinki 1952: July 19th - August 3rd
Melbourne 1956: November 22nd - December 8th
Rome 1960: August 25th - September 11th
Tokyo 1964: October 10th - October 24th
Mexico City 1968: October 12th - October 27th
Munich 1972: August 26th - September 10th
Montreal 1976: July 17th - August 1st
Moscow 1980: July 19th - August 3rd
Los Angeles 1984: July 28th - August 12th
Seoul 1988: September 12th - October 2nd
Barcelona 1992: July 25th - August 9th
Atlanta 1996: July 19th - August 9th
Sydney 2000: September 15th - October 1st
Athens 2004: August 13th - August 29th
Beijing 2008: August 8th - August 24th
London 2012: July 27th - August 12th

But as you can see, Melbourne, Tokyo and Mexico City were the only games that were staged that far in the year. Moreover, the 50s and 60s were totaly different times, there were probably not as much difficuties with the sporting seasons etc as there are now. The only 'modern' exeptions to the rule are Seoul and Sydney, but both ended at the beginning of October.

Besides, I can't imagine that Doha wasn't aware of the dates that were set by the IOC, so it's their own fault really.
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Old June 5th, 2008, 09:19 PM   #4584
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Go Chicago! What a great city, with a great bid!
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Old June 5th, 2008, 09:49 PM   #4585
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wow up to december !!! dosent this mean doha is inocent ?
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Old June 5th, 2008, 11:47 PM   #4586
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wow up to december !!! dosent this mean doha is inocent ?
The IOC said Wednesday night that Doha’s desire to stage the Games in October rather than the traditional mid-summer time frame because of high temperatures was the reason the city was ejected. Spokeswoman Giselle Davies said, “the IOC…decided not to grant this exception as it conflicts with the international sporting calendar and would be bad for athletes and sports fans. Does this mean Doha or another country from the Middle East could never host the Games? No.”

IOC executive director Gilbert Felli told a news conference Thursday that it was Doha’s suggestion to host the Games between October 15 and 30 to reduce the problem of high temperatures in the desert state and it doomed its bid. He said, “of course Doha was advised that the date of the Games would be July 15-August 31. They asked for an exception and it was not accepted by the executive board”. As for future chances for other Middle East applicants, Felli said, “…. Middle East countries are not exactly all in the same place”.

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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:07 AM   #4587
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so your clearly saying the middle east and north africa will never host the olympics in history ?
There are a few cities in the region that could work...Casablanca, Algiers, anything in Turkey, or Addis Ababa (not exactly "North" Africa, but close)
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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:17 AM   #4588
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I'm really hoping Chicago gets it, unless NYC can get it in 2020. But considering I can't see that happening, I'm rooting for Chicago.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:20 AM   #4589
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1. Rio
2. Madrid
3. Tokyo
4. Chicago
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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:29 AM   #4590
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Face it, with London hosting them in 2012, Madrid can kiss it goodbye, unless the three other cities REALLY mess up.

As for Tokyo, don't forget Sydney 2000, Beijing 2008 and Sochi 2014 (though we could argue it's really part of ''Europe'').

As for Rio, crime, World Cup (they could mess up big), crime, poverty, crime, security, crime, infrastructures, crime... huh, crime?

As for Chicago, they really need to put in place a solid plan regarding the ''Temporary Stadium''. Why don't they expand Soldier Field instead of building a temporary stadium?

Right now, Rio and Chicago are the favorites, especially Chicago with the huge TV contract and also the next President of the USA being from this region also. The city was praised by the IOC and AIBA when they hosted the boxing championships.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:36 AM   #4591
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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:47 AM   #4592
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Face it, with London hosting them in 2012, Madrid can kiss it goodbye, unless the three other cities REALLY mess up.

As for Tokyo, don't forget Sydney 2000, Beijing 2008 and Sochi 2014 (though we could argue it's really part of ''Europe'').

As for Rio, crime, World Cup (they could mess up big), crime, poverty, crime, security, crime, infrastructures, crime... huh, crime?

As for Chicago, they really need to put in place a solid plan regarding the ''Temporary Stadium''. Why don't they expand Soldier Field instead of building a temporary stadium?

Right now, Rio and Chicago are the favorites, especially Chicago with the huge TV contract and also the next President of the USA being from this region also. The city was praised by the IOC and AIBA when they hosted the boxing championships.
The Rio comment was pathetic!
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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:51 AM   #4593
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As for Tokyo, don't forget Sydney 2000, Beijing 2008 and Sochi 2014 (though we could argue it's really part of ''Europe'').
Don't even start. Messing this with sochi is absurd...
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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:55 AM   #4594
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I would like Madrid, but I think it will be Chicago...
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Old June 6th, 2008, 05:13 AM   #4595
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Hope that Madrid or Chicago take that.

Rio would not be a good host city, Panam Games is an example. The cariocas were awful hosts booing other competitors.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 05:21 AM   #4596
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My vote went to Rio De Janiero because South America has never hosted the Summer Olympics before. And I like the idea of the Olympics as being an event that can push a city and nation to improving its environment and infrastructure.

Yet as a Hoosier it would be great if Chicago were to get the games.
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Hope that Madrid or Chicago take that.

Rio would not be a good host city, Panam Games is an example. The cariocas were awful hosts booing other competitors.
Why are you so against Rio? Did you have a bad experience there?
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Old June 6th, 2008, 05:40 AM   #4598
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Face it, with London hosting them in 2012, Madrid can kiss it goodbye, unless the three other cities REALLY mess up.

As for Tokyo, don't forget Sydney 2000, Beijing 2008 and Sochi 2014 (though we could argue it's really part of ''Europe'').

As for Rio, crime, World Cup (they could mess up big), crime, poverty, crime, security, crime, infrastructures, crime... huh, crime?

As for Chicago, they really need to put in place a solid plan regarding the ''Temporary Stadium''. Why don't they expand Soldier Field instead of building a temporary stadium?

Right now, Rio and Chicago are the favorites, especially Chicago with the huge TV contract and also the next President of the USA being from this region also. The city was praised by the IOC and AIBA when they hosted the boxing championships.
It would be a waste of time to use soldier field because the stande arent even close to being able to turn into a track and field stadium.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 09:03 AM   #4599
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There are a few cities in the region that could work...Casablanca, Algiers, anything in Turkey, or Addis Ababa (not exactly "North" Africa, but close)
Against "alpha" cities of the world -- London, New York, Paris, Toronto, Beijing, Capetown, Sao Paolo, Seoul, Tokyo, Rome, Berlin to name a few -- those "beta" cities you mention may not even make the shortlist. There is also such a thing as int'l appeal and world-class cache. You have to be a world-class metropolis to make it. The IOC likes their premier product exhibited in Grade-A cities.

They could try for the smaller Youth Olympic Summer Games starting in 2010. Debut city of the YSG is Singapore.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 09:35 AM   #4600
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Not unless there are no cities with more temperate climate bidding.

Consider that there has never been a Summer Olympics in the equatorial belt of the world. Yes, weather has a lot to do with it. Same thing as the "Winter" Games which are even more weather and geography-dependent. Even a country like the UK or a Denmark CAN NEVER host a Winter Games because they do not have the mountains which require the minimum 800m drop for the Alpine sports.

So, yes, certain parts of the world just will NOT have a chance to host an Olympic Games -- Summer or Winter. And it's less stressful to accept that rather than try to fight it.
then how come the IOC says the Doha or the middle east still have a chance to host it?
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