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Old June 7th, 2008, 12:32 AM   #4641
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Indiana and Purdue Universities are one hour from DT Indianapolis. Peoria, Champaign, etc. are all 3+ hours from Chicago. Don't go there.

Hoffman Estates and Aurora are longer than one hour by car from Chicago.
I've driven from DT Chicago to Champaign many times, and it takes nowhere near 3 hours. It takes about two, but sometimes less. And if it takes you more than an hour to get to Hoffmann Estates you're either in a pretty bad traffic jam or driving way too slow. I've driven that route many times as well. Purdue isn't much closer to Indy than Milwaukee is to Chicago. You can get to all the facilities I initially listed via public transportation.
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Old June 7th, 2008, 12:36 AM   #4642
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Hmm yea they are twice as big. Retrofitting would be pricey.

Well screw it, I guess everything will need to be built from scratch anyway. That sort of kills the diverse venues that need some work argument.

With that in mind I guess Indy isn't more "ready." We're just more diverse, which is irrelevant to the Olympics.

Not the best argument on my part, but oh well, good luck in 2016.
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Old June 7th, 2008, 12:39 AM   #4643
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I think Chicago would be a best location. I don't think the IOC would want another "Athens" with Rio de Janeiro on problems such as security, delays, etc.
The IOC wouldn't want another "Atlanta"!
and who guarantees that there won't be any delays if the Olympic Games are awarded to Chicago?
As for security, IMO there will be greater security issues if Chicago gets them rather than Rio!
and for the record, there were no security issues as far as Athens was concerned!
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Old June 7th, 2008, 12:43 AM   #4644
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The only really advantage I see that Indy has is the compatively small venues in the Indianapolis Tennis Center though tennis facility Chicago plans is an awesome scenic location right in the park along the lake (with many courts just no stands as of now).

The other is the velodrom though there is one in suburban Northbrook though they plan to build one also on Northerly Island along the lake for the games (hopefully they will make it permanent as it could get a long of use by bike enthusiast in that with the lakefront path jammed in summer with serious bike riders).
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Old June 7th, 2008, 12:54 AM   #4645
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If Chicago gets it there will probably be terrorist attempts
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Old June 7th, 2008, 01:07 AM   #4646
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The IOC wouldn't want another "Atlanta"!
and who guarantees that there won't be any delays if the Olympic Games are awarded to Chicago?
As for security, IMO there will be greater security issues if Chicago gets them rather than Rio!
and for the record, there were no security issues as far as Athens was concerned!
ROFL. Look at Rio's crime rate and poverty and Chicago's. Great disparity there.

IMHO, the terrorist menace is present everywhere, not just in the USA.

Didn't Madrid was victim of a terrorist attack a few years ago? What about Tokyo? The same.

Seriously, the real advantages Rio has is the fact that Brazil has never hosted the games and that they are hosting the World Cup (and that may go against them as well, as was previously discussed).
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Old June 7th, 2008, 01:38 AM   #4647
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The IOC wouldn't want another "Atlanta"!
and who guarantees that there won't be any delays if the Olympic Games are awarded to Chicago?
As for security, IMO there will be greater security issues if Chicago gets them rather than Rio!
and for the record, there were no security issues as far as Athens was concerned!
What a stupid uninformed post.

The IOC wouldn't want another "Atlanta"!
- Of course not; they're getting the #2 (or #3) city in the US. And THEY picked Atlanta in 1996 because ATHENS wasn't ready. (Athens, GA, was ready to welcome the world. And 8 years later in 2004, your Athens again wasn't almost ready.) Are you aware of the palpitations Athens' non-preparations gave the IOC? They were 3 months short of pulling the plug on Athens and giving 2004 to Seoul or LA, who were the secret back-ups. Duh! How quickly we forget.

Greater security issues. Exactly. Like Athens was so well-guarded the 1st week of the Games, it scared everybody off and NOBODY CAME!! Do you really think we have such short memories of forgetting how EMPTY THE stadia were in Athens and how unhappy and frustrated the IOC was?

The bombing that happened in Atlanta was in a PUBLIC PARK -- not in an official Olympic venue. And talking about breaches of Olympic security,

* what about the crazy fool who crashed the swimming venue in Athens? The pool was supposed to be a sanctioned, security zone.

* Or the deranged, sexually repressed Irish priest who accosted the poor Brazilian runner in the marathon, huh? Where was Athens' security then you might ask?

Duh!!

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Old June 7th, 2008, 01:42 AM   #4648
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But our Natatorium wouldn't need much work to be Olympic ready, it's already the best in the US.
Yes it would. Each of the sports federations UP their required seating capacities for their respective venues come Olympics time. FINA asks for 15,000 seats for their main Olympic venues.
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Old June 7th, 2008, 01:45 AM   #4649
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It's not just that, we know the IOC love a leader gracing their precence; Blair and Putin worked wonders for their countries in the days leading up to the elections in 2005 and 2007. With that history, Chicago 2016 would be silly not to court Obama if he wins the Presidency.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080606/...lay_of_the_day

Play of the Day: Obama pitches Olympic bid

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 45 minutes ago



Barack Obama says if Chicago is chosen to host the 2016 Olympics, he's hoping there will be a hometown president to kick off the games.

"In 2016, I'll be wrapping up my second term as president," Obama said. "So I can't think of a better way than to be marching into Washington Park ... as president of the United States and announcing to the world, 'Let the games begin!'"

The Illinois senator, spending a weekend at home after clinching the Democratic presidential nomination, made a surprise appearance at a downtown rally Friday to promote the city's bid. He drew loud cheers from the crowd and gawkers pressed up to windows from the high rise office buildings surrounding the rally.

Obama joked that his home is only a couple blocks from Washington Park, the proposed site of the games, so he's thinking about how much he could get for renting it out. He's hoping to be living in the White House any way.

Chicago is competing to host the games along with Tokyo; Madrid, Spain; and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Obama was joined at the rally by other elected officials and dignitaries from the city and athletes including track and field gold medalist Jackie Joyner-Kersee.

"It is a great time to be in Chicago," Obama said. "White Sox are winning. Cubs are winning. And Chicago's going to win the 2016 Olympics and Paralympics. And your senator, he's winning, too."




Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., second from right, Olympic athlete Jackie Joyner-Kersee, and others, applaud at a Chicago 2016 Olympic rally, June 6, 2008, at the Daley Center Plaza in Chicago. (Associated Press)
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Old June 7th, 2008, 01:51 AM   #4650
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I wouldn't count Wrigley or US Cellular, I don't know what events they would put in those venues. I just see no equal tennis, velodrome, natatorium or rowing centers in Chicago. Arenas are nice, but I'm considering variety.

Chicago can build new places and host a brilliant games, they just don't have them yet.

So Indy facilities vs. Chicago facilities, serious. And the Chicago's marathon is only 10,000 more than Indy's. And we host two 300,000 spectator single day sporting events.

Our new airport is opening too.



I know Indy will never host the Olympics. But it's fun to be biased and argue.
Why doesn't Indy again go for another PanAms? That's the 2nd largest int'l, mutli-sport event that the US can hope to host. I mean San Antonio's interest in the PanAms seems to have fizzled and certainly Indy's not going to go for a Gay Games (while Chicago has already hosted both the PanAms and the Gay Games).
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Old June 7th, 2008, 03:21 AM   #4651
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Why are you so against Rio? Did you have a bad experience there?

I just think its too much money to spend and the feedback its not enough.
Remember that Brazil will host the 2014 WC.
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Old June 7th, 2008, 03:47 AM   #4652
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1896 Atenas
1900 París

1904 San Luis
1908 Londres
1912 Estocolmo
1916 Berlín (suspendidos I GM)
1920 Amberes
1924 París
1928 Ámsterdam

1932 Los Ángeles
1936 Berlín
1940 Helsinki (suspendidos II GM)
1944 Londres (suspendidos II GM)
1948 Londres
1952 Helsinki

1956 Melbourne
1960 Roma
1964 Tokio
1968 Ciudad de México
1972 Múnich
1976 Montreal
1980 Moscú
1984 Los Ángeles
1988 Seúl
1992 Barcelona
1996 Atlanta
2000 Sydney
2004 Atenas
2008 Pekín
2012 Londres



Lo de la rotacion de continentes no ha sido siempre..
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Old June 7th, 2008, 03:54 AM   #4653
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To tin_larriera: The real Olympics always has great feedback, I bet it will for Rio. Olympics in Rio might urbanize the slums, increase the size of the subway, construct better roads, increase jobs, and ect.

The 2014 WC may or may not help the bid.
Might help by getting infrastructure for 2016 better.
Might ruin because as the IOC said, "we don't want to feel like we are pudding."

I think the Olympics in Rio will help a lot in its negatives
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Old June 7th, 2008, 03:56 AM   #4654
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1896 Atenas
1900 París

1904 San Luis
1908 Londres
1912 Estocolmo
1916 Berlín (suspendidos I GM)
1920 Amberes
1924 París
1928 Ámsterdam

1932 Los Ángeles
1936 Berlín
1940 Helsinki (suspendidos II GM)
1944 Londres (suspendidos II GM)
1948 Londres
1952 Helsinki

1956 Melbourne
1960 Roma
1964 Tokio
1968 Ciudad de México
1972 Múnich
1976 Montreal
1980 Moscú
1984 Los Ángeles
1988 Seúl
1992 Barcelona
1996 Atlanta
2000 Sydney
2004 Atenas
2008 Pekín
2012 Londres



Lo de la rotacion de continentes no ha sido siempre..
Si, antes de la guerra segunda mundial. Estas viendo el mundo antes la entrada del viajando por jet, y el mundo olimpiado era mas or menos limitado por europa, los americas y partes de asia y australia. El mundo is muy diferente ahora. Con los miembros del IOC veniendo de toas partes del mundo, es mas internacional ahora entonces tiene la rotacion de los continentes mas or menos.

[Yes before the 2nd World War, there was a time when the Olympic world was largely confined to Western Europe, the Americas and parts of Asia. With the advent of jet travel and a global village, it is a lot more international now (as is the membership of the IOC), so the Summer Olympics takes on a much more international character to it. Thus, there is the informal rotation taking place.

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Old June 7th, 2008, 04:02 AM   #4655
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1896 Atenas
1900 París

1904 San Luis
1908 Londres
1912 Estocolmo
1916 Berlín (suspendidos I GM)
1920 Amberes
1924 París
1928 Ámsterdam

1932 Los Ángeles
1936 Berlín
1940 Helsinki (suspendidos II GM)
1944 Londres (suspendidos II GM)
1948 Londres
1952 Helsinki

1956 Melbourne
1960 Roma
1964 Tokio
1968 Ciudad de México
1972 Múnich
1976 Montreal
1980 Moscú
1984 Los Ángeles
1988 Seúl
1992 Barcelona
1996 Atlanta
2000 Sydney
2004 Atenas
2008 Pekín
2012 Londres



Lo de la rotacion de continentes no ha sido siempre..


If Tokyo gets it it:
2004:Europe
2008:Asia
2012:Europe
2016:Asia

Kind of a pattern

If Madrid gets it:
2004:Europe
2008:Asia
2012:Europe
2016:Europe

Europe 2x?
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If Tokyo gets it it:
2004:Europe
2008:Asia
2012:Europe
2016:Asia

Kind of a pattern

If Madrid gets it:
2004:Europe
2008:Asia
2012:Europe
2016:Europe

Europe 2x?
That's why 2016 will either be Chicago or Rio. But Rio/Brazil will be too burdened with 2014. All the major sponsors and a lot of gov't funds will first go to 2014; thereby leaving very little for 2016. So Chicago may edge out Rio for that reason. There is NO COMPETING global event in Chicago within 6 years leading up to 2016.
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Old June 7th, 2008, 04:08 AM   #4657
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all i know is that it won't be madrid, not with the previous olympics being hosted in the same continent
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Old June 7th, 2008, 04:31 AM   #4658
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all i know is that it won't be madrid, not with the previous olympics being hosted in the same continent
Absolutely. There would be a rebellion within the IOC ranks if that were to happen. It would not be pretty.
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Old June 7th, 2008, 06:04 AM   #4659
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That's why 2016 will either be Chicago or Rio. But Rio/Brazil will be too burdened with 2014. All the major sponsors and a lot of gov't funds will first go to 2014; thereby leaving very little for 2016. So Chicago may edge out Rio for that reason. There is NO COMPETING global event in Chicago within 6 years leading up to 2016.
That's what I tought before I heard what the president of IOC said.
He said that WC 2014 could help Rio getting 2016 since money will be spent in infrastructure in Rio in 2014 like in stadiums.

So now I don't know if it will help or ruin it
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That's what I tought before I heard what the president of IOC said.
He said that WC 2014 could help Rio getting 2016 since money will be spent in infrastructure in Rio in 2014 like in stadiums.

So now I don't know if it will help or ruin it
Well, Rio would have 2 good football stadia from 2014, I guess still a lot of good installations from PanAm 2007 -- but you'd still need a brand-new Village and at least half-a-dozen other halls/stadia for the full complement of the SOG sports.
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