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London, UK 280 25.23%
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Old June 10th, 2008, 02:15 AM   #4701
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And stated by the BBC, "The 1992 Games went down as one of the best Olympiads ever, and for once not one single nation boycotted the Olympics"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olym...ory/872948.stm
Doesn't mean anything. None of the Winter Games have been boycotted. All the Summer Games since 1992 -- so Atlanta, Sydney, Athens have been boycott-free. So that's not such a unique record anymore.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 02:50 AM   #4702
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rio or tokyo should get it

but rio is too soon after the world cup

so tokyo should get it
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Old June 10th, 2008, 04:22 AM   #4703
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Old June 10th, 2008, 10:19 AM   #4704
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Chicago wins no matter what. The cool thing about Olympics is that you get to build some no arenas, stadiums and velodromes (did i spell that right?) and you bring in world class architects to do it....unless your Atlanta.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 10:34 AM   #4706
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WTF!?
whats wrong with gay games?
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Old June 10th, 2008, 12:21 PM   #4707
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^ That's was spectacular
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Old June 10th, 2008, 03:51 PM   #4708
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Economy & politics are key elements in IOC's deciding about the actual host city , at least the last couple of decades. Politics is always the no1 element, whereas economy can sometimes be way lower in ranking.
Therefore, although some people from the US may not like it, those two factors rigth now are not on Chicagos side. I mean the US economy has definately seen better days than the present, although on a local level, some may argue that a city like Chicago can put together all necessary budgeting even without any federal aid. I'm not a specialist in Illinois economy, but a solid and persuasive business plan must be included in Chicago's bid folder. The perception the world has about US economy is that it is facing serious trouble. But economy is primary an affair of sentiment & expectations. And a new, fresh US administration (go Obama! ) can invert the negative climate.

Still, the no1 crucial factor is politics. And the terms "politics" & "IOC" when put together, have proven to be historically something very complicated of a liaison. I mean, continents' allocation & rotation (Europe vs Asia vs N./S. America vs.....) IS a matter of politics. The association of the olympics' host with other major events' hosting (i.e. World Cup) IS a political affair (remember S.Africa?) that needs to be calculated in the equation. Also, blocks of voting within the IOC, have been historically THE driving force of chossing city "A" over city "B". That means building alliances, based on different grounds each time: Geography, politics, e.t.c. I do believe that for the moment, Chicago will have a tough time in building a solid block within the IOC, because politically it will not be easy for a significant part of the delegates to favor a US candidacy, once their no1 choice will be dropped and the shortlist will end up to something like Chicago vs Tokyo (remeber the "rounds" system of voting?). Why? Because of the foreign policy of the current US administration.Tokyo will appear as a more "neutral" & "politically correct" choice for many. IOC will not want to have issues with Cuban, N. Korean, Serbian, Syrian, Palestinian or Iranian teams, having to compete on US soil ( "war on terror" ring a bell?).

But all the above are mere assumptions......
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Economy & politics are key elements in IOC's deciding about the actual host city , at least the last couple of decades. Politics is always the no1 element, whereas economy can sometimes be way lower in ranking.
Therefore, although some people from the US may not like it, those two factors rigth now are not on Chicagos side. I mean the US economy has definately seen better days than the present, although on a local level, some may argue that a city like Chicago can put together all necessary budgeting even without any federal aid. I'm not a specialist in Illinois economy, but a solid and persuasive business plan must be included in Chicago's bid folder. The perception the world has about US economy is that it is facing serious trouble. But economy is primary an affair of sentiment & expectations. And a new, fresh US administration (go Obama! ) can invert the negative climate.

Still, the no1 crucial factor is politics. And the terms "politics" & "IOC" when put together, have proven to be historically something very complicated of a liaison. I mean, continents' allocation & rotation (Europe vs Asia vs N./S. America vs.....) IS a matter of politics. The association of the olympics' host with other major events' hosting (i.e. World Cup) IS a political affair (remember S.Africa?) that needs to be calculated in the equation. Also, blocks of voting within the IOC, have been historically THE driving force of chossing city "A" over city "B". That means building alliances, based on different grounds each time: Geography, politics, e.t.c. I do believe that for the moment, Chicago will have a tough time in building a solid block within the IOC, because politically it will not be easy for a significant part of the delegates to favor a US candidacy, once their no1 choice will be dropped and the shortlist will end up to something like Chicago vs Tokyo (remeber the "rounds" system of voting?). Why? Because of the foreign policy of the current US administration.Tokyo will appear as a more "neutral" & "politically correct" choice for many. IOC will not want to have issues with Cuban, N. Korean, Serbian, Syrian, Palestinian or Iranian teams, having to compete on US soil ( "war on terror" ring a bell?).

But all the above are mere assumptions......
Uhmmm...kinda old thinking. The current US administration will be out of the White House come next January. The conflict in Iraq will be scaling down next year.

Don't you think the Chicago 2016 folks know what the issues are and would be taking corrective measures to address them? Of the 4 shortlisted cities, Tokyo is already a past host; the other 3 are Olympic virgins. That favors the non-past-host cities. (The 2012 race was different because the 2 favorites were tied with 2 past hosting duties. So they were even in that respect.)

I would be happy with either a Chicago or a Rio 2016. Rio's ball-and-chain is having 2014 so close to it.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 04:40 PM   #4710
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Uhmmm...kinda old thinking. The current US administration will be out of the White House come next January. The conflict in Iraq will be scaling down next year.

Don't you think the Chicago 2016 folks know what the issues are and would be taking corrective measures to address them? Of the 4 shortlisted cities, Tokyo is already a past host; the other 3 are Olympic virgins. That favors the non-past-host cities. (The 2012 race was different because the 2 favorites were tied with 2 past hosting duties. So they were even in that respect.)

I would be happy with either a Chicago or a Rio 2016. Rio's ball-and-chain is having 2014 so close to it.
Some double standards there. I dont think Tokyo should be excluded just because it has seen the Games already. The bidding cities, less Rio are all subject to this, making Rio the only "virgin" bid.

Chicago has the influence of Atlanta, SLC and Vancouver to a degree. Likewise Nagano and Beijing on Tokyo and Barcelona, London and Sochi on Madrid.

Eitherway, i don't see any "past hostings" influencing the IOC's decision. Not even in the case of Tokyo. There are just too many other factors that determine the decision for this to play any major part.

Although i support Tokyo's bid i think there is a strong sense within the informed Olympic world 2016 is Rio's for the taking.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 04:46 PM   #4711
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Although i support Tokyo's bid i think there is a strong sense within the informed Olympic world 2016 is Rio's for the taking.
Well, I hear their PanAms weren't exactly flawless, especially in terms of getting crowds in on time and traffic jams leading up to such snafus. Plus, the Brazilian fans were rude to some of the visiting teams.

But hey, if Rio is going in as the favorite -- then great!! Ya know what happens with the 'faves.'
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Old June 10th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #4712
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Well, I hear their PanAms weren't exactly flawless, especially in terms of getting crowds in on time and traffic jams leading up to such snafus. Plus, the Brazilian fans were rude to some of the visiting teams.

But hey, if Rio is going in as the favorite -- then great!! Ya know what happens with the 'faves.'
I wouldn't say Rio's PANAM's had any more significant problems than other world events; certainly not any that justify not giving them the Games (it will be the quality of the rivals, rather than the incapabilities of Rio).

Atlanta had traffic and security issues. Sydney had transport issues in the end. Athens had construction problems. Beijing has an endless list of little tweaks.

From what i've heard, Rio's PANAM's were successful following a few introductory bumps and certainly lived up to what was expected. I also get the feeling that any problems Rio had were blown up a bit because the city isn't exactly "A-class".

I have my doubts about Rio's capabilities, as i am sure a lot of people do, however geopolitics and to a degree "sympathy" may just be too strong.

TOKYO 2016!!
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Old June 11th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #4716
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I hope Chicago gets the bid, I like the stadium Design, its very European in feel but very simple.

Where are the other stadium designs?
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Old June 11th, 2008, 11:22 PM   #4717
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Madrid:
+ great city, culture, architecture
+ Barcelona did it extremelly well in 1992, so they have the "know how".
+ A perfect bid.
- After Europe 2012 again Europe 2016??
- Barcelona was just 16 years ago while other countries are waiting to host the games

Tokyo:
+ Technically another perfect bid.
+ Great logo.
+ Great culture.
- seems that this is the city with the lowest support from the citizens among the 4 applicants

Rio:
+ Games in South America for teh first time
+ Incredible city
- Huge criminality
- Poverty, social problems
- Awful and amateurish logo

Chicago:
+ Seems that is a very capable city to host it
+great logo
+ 20 years since the last summer Games in America.
- The 1996 Games in USA was a disaster (from the worst cauldron ever and the fact that the 1996 games didn't go to Greece to the terrror attacks, the deads etc. etc.)
-Ugly proposed olympic stadium
- Chicago seems as the most boring city of these 4.
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Old June 12th, 2008, 12:14 AM   #4718
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- Barcelona was just 16 years ago while other countries are waiting to host the games

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+ 20 years since the last summer Games in America.
Barcelona 1992 - Madrid 2016 = 24years
Atlanta 1996 - Chicago 2016 = 20years

why is that a (-) on madrid bid and a (+) on the Chicago bid?
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Barcelona 1992 - Madrid 2016 = 24years
Atlanta 1996 - Chicago 2016 = 20years

why is that a (-) on madrid bid and a (+) on the Chicago bid?
Yea, u r right. I calculated the Madrid case from 1992 till today.
Well, because Spain is not a huge country I think that it is not very fair for a country of that size to host so soon the Games again. Europe hosted in 2004 the Games and will host them in 2012. So even if Games ll go again in Europe in 2016, i would rather prefer another european country to host (but it is not possible now) the games, preferably one that never hosted before.

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- Awful and amateurish logo
that's considered a -?

unless this is ur opinion, how well the logo goes it doesn't count
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