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London, UK 280 25.23%
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Old August 24th, 2008, 01:16 AM   #4881
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Old August 24th, 2008, 03:29 AM   #4882
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I totally ignored MGM's post. What does he know? He wasn't even there. That's like the Pope advising people on marriage on birth control when he has NO FIRST-HAND knowledge of exactly what it takes. ANd of course, only fools listen to him in that regard.

I can rebut his charges because I worked with ACOG but they are so blown outta proportion and ludicrous they aren't worth replying to.
You cannot ignore factual information. I posted a review by a canadian broadcasting corporation: www.cbc.ca

What about WIKIPEDIA?

Criticism
The Atlanta Olympics, following the model established by the 1984 Olympic Games in Los Angeles, used no public financing. The cost of the Games was US$1.8 billion to stage. Governmental funds were used for security, but not for the actual Games themselves.[3] To pay for the games, Atlanta relied on commercial sponsorship and ticket sales, resulting in a profit of $10 million.[4]

However, Atlanta's heavy reliance on corporate sponsorship caused many to consider the 1996 Games to be overly-commercialized. Coca-Cola, whose corporate headquarters is in Atlanta, received criticism for being the exclusive drink offered in Olympic venues. In addition, the city of Atlanta was found to have been competing with the IOC for advertising and sponsorship dollars. The city licensed street vendors who sold certain products over others, and therefore provided a presence for companies who were not official Olympic sponsors.[5]

A report prepared by European Olympic officials after the Games was critical of Atlanta's performance in several key issues, including the level of crowding in the Olympic Village, the quality of available food, the accessibility and convenience of transportation, and the Games' general atmosphere of commercialism.[6]

Allegations were leveled that Atlanta organizers bribed members of the IOC to obtain the Games. Documents from the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games (ACOG) were destroyed before a formal inquiry could be conducted, and the allegations remain unproven. ACOG Chairman Billy Payne said, "Atlanta's bidding effort included excessive actions, even thought processes, that today seem inappropriate but, at the time, reflected the prevailing practices in the selection process and an extremely competitive environment." Two years later, an IOC scandal broke involving the bidding for the 2002 Winter Olympics.

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Old August 24th, 2008, 03:48 AM   #4883
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You're right, Chicago is able to host the games, but there are TONS of cities around the globe, which can do the same! Especially Tokyo, an other candidate city of the 2016 games. Japan hosted the games in 1964, so they derseved it 52 (!!) years later to host the games. The distance from Atlanta to Chicago would be just 20 (!!!) years!
Tokyo has no chance at all, also Madrid... they are playing supporting roles looking to the future. Tokyo is not a weak candidate just because of Beijing 2008, but Sydney 2000 also. We would have too much OG out of the time zone interest of USA. [2000-2008-2016].

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Old August 24th, 2008, 03:59 AM   #4884
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You cannot ignore factual information. I posted a review by a canadian broadcasting corporation: www.cbc.ca

What about WIKIPEDIA?
Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. ANybody, you and I, can go in there and edit the info.
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Old August 24th, 2008, 04:18 AM   #4885
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Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. ANybody, you and I, can go in there and edit the info.
THE NEW YORK TIMES:

ATLANTA: DAY 4 -- TRAFFIC;Athletes' Challenge: Getting There
Across Atlanta, an overloaded transit system and neophyte bus drivers are making transportation the great unknown in the 1996 Olympics. Today, the first day that competition was combined with a workday rush hour, the system worked for the most part. But overloaded trains and mishaps that almost kept some athletes from getting to their events were a reminder of how close to the edge the transportation network is operating.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...rtation&st=cse

ATLANTA DAY 7;To Foreign Press, Games Are an Olympian Blunder
From warm Cokes to overheated American chauvinism, from snarled traffic to computer mix-ups, the foreign press has jumped all over the Olympic Games in Atlanta this week, slamming the organizers for an event that headline writers around the world have already summed up as "chaotic."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...rtation&st=cse

LA TIMES:

ATLANTA 1996 OLYMPICS; Chaos, Congestion Still the Focus of Attention; Organization: Atlanta officials are told to race to remedy what is fast becoming an embarrassing situation.

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AUSTRALIAN OLYMPIC COMMITTEE

The Atlanta Olympics was a Games of extremes: outstanding sporting action on the field, and a series of organisational problems and more serious disasters off it.
http://corporate.olympics.com.au/gam.../Atlanta+1996+

IF YOU WANT MORE:

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...chive&ct=title
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Old August 24th, 2008, 04:19 AM   #4886
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Atlanta did fine. It made a profit. The stadiums and arenas were packed. And the Games left a positive legacy on the city. It just had a few more hick-ups than one would want - from ill-trained bus drivers to computers giving sprinting records to fencers. It just didn't have the extra magic and luster that one would expect from the "Centennial Games".
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Old August 24th, 2008, 04:46 AM   #4887
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They had PanAms 2007 and will have Brazil 2014.

So, 2016 should be our turn again.
You will have PAM AMS 2015; WINTERS OG 2018 and WORLD CUP 2022

Every country which looses the SUMMER OG, get the WINTER OG next:

Rome 2004 ---> Torino 2006
Toronto 2008 ---> Vancouver 2010
Moscow 2012 ---> Sochi 2014
Chicago 2016 ---> Denver 2018

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Old August 24th, 2008, 07:20 AM   #4888
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You will have PAM AMS 2015; WINTERS OG 2018 and WORLD CUP 2022

Every country which looses the SUMMER OG, get the WINTER OG next:

Rome 2004 ---> Torino 2006
Toronto 2008 ---> Vancouver 2010
Moscow 2012 ---> Sochi 2014
Chicago 2016 ---> Denver 2018
Uh-huh, right.

Except, the USOC isn't going to put forth Denver. So your little equation doesn't quite work.
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Old August 24th, 2008, 07:30 AM   #4889
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I Think and I Hope ....

RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL will be the Next Venue of the 2016 Summer Olympics.

Japan cannot be, China being in Asia already hosted it...
Chicago cannot be, Atlanta a few years back already hosted it...
Madrid, cannot be, Barcelona they already hosted it....
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Old August 24th, 2008, 07:48 AM   #4890
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Brazil World Cup 2014
Rio Olympic Games 2016

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Old August 24th, 2008, 10:19 PM   #4891
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I voted Rio, but it is gonna be Chicago since they are the only city on the list without any other major tournament.

Madrid has 2012 London and they are close so i don't think the IOC is gonna give the bid to Europe again for at least 8 more years.

Tokyo, maybe but i doubt it since China just had the Olympics in Asia.

I doubt its gonna be given to Rio since Brazil is gonna host the 2014 World Cup.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 12:43 AM   #4892
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Today I heard some comments on 2016 Olympics.

It is said that Madrid has minimum chance because 2012 will host in Europe. And actually Madrid knows it but apply for candicature to strength her chance for 2020. Madrid has a big chance for 2020.

Rio is weaker than Tokyo and Chicago. But nothing is clear yet.

Tokyo is the favourite, but if Chicago works hard, Chicago has a big chance too. But for now, it seems Tokyo.

It is also said that Tokyo and Chicago will be in a competition like London and Paris for 2012.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 12:50 AM   #4893
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I Think and I Hope ....

RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL will be the Next Venue of the 2016 Summer Olympics.

Japan cannot be, China being in Asia already hosted it...
Chicago cannot be, Atlanta a few years back already hosted it...
Madrid, cannot be, Barcelona they already hosted it....
wrong... being in Asia doesn't make them even same nation and country. Event may come to Asia 8 later again. Look at Europe, London could get 2012 although 2004 was in Athens, europe. So, it doesn't effect anything.

Except Mardid other 3 cities have chance. Atlanta 96 effects Chicago's chance in a negative way, but Chicago can overcome it with some other facts, if they work hard.

Rio seems weaker because of some urban problems and 2014 World Cup.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 01:39 AM   #4894
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mods, ban MGM. Hes trying to hijack the thread
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Old August 25th, 2008, 01:54 AM   #4895
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wrong... being in Asia doesn't make them even same nation and country. Event may come to Asia 8 later again. Look at Europe, London could get 2012 although 2004 was in Athens, europe. So, it doesn't effect anything.

Except Mardid other 3 cities have chance. Atlanta 96 effects Chicago's chance in a negative way, but Chicago can overcome it with some other facts, if they work hard.
The IOC thinks in terms of continents.

1. Why else are there 5 rings?

2. It applies to the awarding of cities.

3. Thus, Tokyo, of the 3 remaining non-Euro candidate cities, is really the weaker one because:
(i) Tokyo has already hosted it; and
(ii) They have jsut concluded an Asian Summer Games in Beijing.

4. it is acknowledged that 2016 is the Americas' turn, thus it will be between Chicago and Rio.

Atlanta will NOT affect Chicago's bid other than an Olympics in the US always means MUCHO buckaroos for the IOC. I do don't know where the nuts here prognosticate that the small glitches in Atlanta will reflect on Chicago. That's why you guys are here, and others are in the IOC.

While Rio might have the allure of a new frontiers, it will be saddled by having a World Cup too close in 2014 PLUS, the Africans will make sure that Rio does not win because itwould jeopardize Cape Town's well-planned chances for 2020.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 02:41 AM   #4896
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I don't see the Brazilian WC as hurting their Olympic chances, if anything it should help as the large scale renovations will have dramatically improved the sporting infrastructure by 2014.

Most, 90%, of Olympic revenues come from TV/partners that are independant of location. The argument that a US Olympics would be more beneficial is moot. Rio is in a similar time zone as Chicago anyway.

Small glitches in Atlanta? Are you joking? There have been better organized chimps tea-parties.
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Small glitches in Atlanta? Are you joking? There have been better organized chimps tea-parties.
This is your ignorant opinion with no basis in fact.
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I'm so sad. 2008 has truly been the greatest games ever. I use to think Salt Lake 2002 was. I'm so sad that it's over and that my DVR has such a small capacity.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 06:27 AM   #4899
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Rio's 2016 Olympics bid counting on boost from 2014 World Cup soccer

Published Thursday August 14th, 2008

Paul Logothetis, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

BEIJING - Forget Brazil's beaches, tropical rain forests and Carnival atmosphere. Organizers of Rio de Janeiro's 2016 Olympics bid are counting on soccer to help land South America its first ever games. Rio is confident that by hosting the 2014 World Cup it can gain an extra edge and capture international sport's biggest - and most financially lucrative - event.

"The 2014 soccer World Cup is very, very important. It's the basis for the success of our organization," Rio 2016 president Carlos Arthur Nuzman said Thursday. It wouldn't be the first time that a bidding city came from a country that had - or was about to - host the World Cup. Mexico City, Munich, Germany and Atlanta all held an Olympics within two years of a World Cup.

"The driver of our bid is the Brazilian sport," Rio 2016 secretary general Carlos Roberto Osorio said. "Sport is a fundamental tool for boosting Brazil's growth." With players such as Pele and Ronaldo, Brazil has won a record five World Cup trophies. Bid organizers also see last year's Pan American Games as a key indicator in its battle with Chicago, Tokyo and Madrid, Spain.

"We organized the best Pan Am Games ever, at the Olympics level," Nuzman said. "This continent hasn't had the chance to organize the Olympics and Paralympic Games - now it's time, we're ready. Now, it's the moment."

Brazil's economy will be another factor with GDP and foreign investment rising as bio-fuels, iron ore and agricultural products power South America's biggest economy. It is currently the world's seventh largest economy and expected to move up to fifth by 2016.

Like Madrid, Rio's candidacy has gone to great lengths to highlight the sunny blue skies that have been lacking in Beijing. The green part of the campaign is backed up by renewable and sustainable energy. And the country's 8,000 kilometres of sandy white beaches will be utilized during the August Olympic period thanks to the balmy winter weather.

But Rio scored the worst of the four bidders in a technical evaluation, with its high crime-rate possibly hurting its chances when the International Olympic Committee makes its decision in October 2009. "We are still a society with inequalities and the Olympic Games will help to reduce that," Osorio said.



Source: http://www.canadaeast.com/sports/article/384454
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Old August 25th, 2008, 06:56 AM   #4900
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chicago and tokyo are the most developed, but it was in nagano not too long ago (the winter games) and also Chicago has never hosted the games and tokyo has (1940). rio has a good chance i just dont think they are developed enough to host and madrid is up against some good competition. also it will be in europe in 2012

so its chicago imo
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