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London, UK 280 25.23%
Madrid, Spain 342 30.81%
Moscow, Russia 90 8.11%
New York, USA 206 18.56%
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Old August 25th, 2008, 07:21 AM   #4901
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While Rio might have the allure of a new frontiers, it will be saddled by having a World Cup too close in 2014
The USA had a World Cup in 1994 and the Olympic Games in 1996.. i don't remember if Atlanta had football games in '94 but both events were in the same country...

As brazilian and carioca i would love to have Olympic Games in Rio, but i think any of the four cities would be fantastic hosts. As i see it, the main competition is between Rio and Chicago
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Old August 25th, 2008, 08:39 AM   #4902
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Small glitches in Atlanta? Are you joking? There have been better organized chimps tea-parties..



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Old August 25th, 2008, 08:59 AM   #4903
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The IOC thinks in terms of continents.

1. Why else are there 5 rings?

2. It applies to the awarding of cities.

3. Thus, Tokyo, of the 3 remaining non-Euro candidate cities, is really the weaker one because:
(i) Tokyo has already hosted it; and
(ii) They have jsut concluded an Asian Summer Games in Beijing.

4. it is acknowledged that 2016 is the Americas' turn, thus it will be between Chicago and Rio.

Atlanta will NOT affect Chicago's bid other than an Olympics in the US always means MUCHO buckaroos for the IOC. I do don't know where the nuts here prognosticate that the small glitches in Atlanta will reflect on Chicago. That's why you guys are here, and others are in the IOC.

While Rio might have the allure of a new frontiers, it will be saddled by having a World Cup too close in 2014 PLUS, the Africans will make sure that Rio does not win because itwould jeopardize Cape Town's well-planned chances for 2020.
I don't talk about my wishes... I read comments, listen to the some IOC members on TV and reflect all these information to you.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 09:08 AM   #4904
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Old August 25th, 2008, 09:45 AM   #4905
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1. I don't talk about my wishes...

2. I read comments, listen to the some IOC members on TV and reflect all these information to you.
1. No, you shouldn't because your wishes would have no relevance.

2. Uh-huh. Is that so?
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Old August 25th, 2008, 09:48 AM   #4906
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, yes, if you like or not.

Don't be agressive, everyone joins here for fun.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 09:56 AM   #4907
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No, I'm just stating facts.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 10:39 AM   #4908
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The USA had a World Cup in 1994 and the Olympic Games in 1996.. i don't remember if Atlanta had football games in '94 but both events were in the same country...

As brazilian and carioca i would love to have Olympic Games in Rio, but i think any of the four cities would be fantastic hosts. As i see it, the main competition is between Rio and Chicago
That's another Story, the US can host two Olympics in a row without hurting our economy or even three.
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Old August 25th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #4909
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Rio vs Chicago

I also believe it will be down to either Rio or Chicago but my question is what is Rio's transportation network like? Chicago has a massive commuter train system and the EL also are there security concerns with that part of the world?
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Old August 25th, 2008, 08:10 PM   #4910
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I also believe it will be down to either Rio or Chicago but my question is what is Rio's transportation network like?
That's one of the imponderables of Rio because unlike Chicago (which is a grid city) or other land-based cities (Beijing, Athens, Atlanta), Rio's topography is a little difficult. RIo and its proposed venues are spread out over the various islands, hills and harbors that make up Rio. So, it is a very HARD topography to deal with in the compressed 17-day schedule of an Olympics. It's not like they can easily add a subway line from one part of the city to the next island. Its layout, which gives it its visual appeal, is even more complicated than say, Hongkong or Vancouver.
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That's one of the imponderables of Rio because unlike Chicago (which is a grid city) or other land-based cities (Beijing, Athens, Atlanta), Rio's topography is a little difficult. RIo and its proposed venues are spread out over the various islands, hills and harbors that make up Rio. So, it is a very HARD topography to deal with in the compressed 17-day schedule of an Olympics. It's not like they can easily add a subway line from one part of the city to the next island. Its layout, which gives it its visual appeal, is even more complicated than say, Hongkong or Vancouver.




RIO TUNNELS:

A
Túnel Alaor Prata
C
Túnel da Covanca
E
Túnel Engenheiro Enaldo Cravo Peixoto
G
Túnel Geólogo Enzo Totis
J
Túnel do Joá
Túnel Joăo Ricardo
M
Túnel Major Rubens Vaz
Túnel Martim de Sá
Túnel dos Marítimos
Mergulhăo (Rio de Janeiro)
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Túnel Noel Rosa
Túnel Novo
P
Túnel do Pasmado
R
Túnel Raul Veiga
Túnel Rebouças
Túnel da Rua Alice
S
Túnel Santa Bárbara
Túnel Sá Freire Alvim
Z
Túnel Zuzu Angel

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...Rio_de_Janeiro

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Old August 25th, 2008, 10:03 PM   #4912
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www.metrorio.com.br



VENUES + TRANSPORT INFRAESTRUCTURE:
http://www.rio.rj.gov.br/rio2016/ima...astructure.jpg

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Old August 26th, 2008, 07:26 PM   #4913
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Let's see the contestants:

RIO: Brazil already has 2014 World Cup. It doesn't have any more money to spend, and RIO's crime and corruption rates are also a problem. Transport and facilities are terrible...

Madrid: London... we haven't seen two Games in the same continent since the WWII ended.

I would say Chicago and Tokyo would be the runner ups.

Last time American continent have hosted the Games were in 1996. Even if you say 20 years is too soon, we had 1984 (Los Angeles) and 1996 (Atlanta) -- only 12 years.

On the other hand, Tokyo hadn't host a game since 1964. Eventhough China hosted this year, we had the Olympics in Mexico (1968), Canada (1976) and United States (1984), all close years. And its grades are better than the other 3.

My bet is on Chicago, though. I would love if the Games were in Tokyo, but USA's NBC are stronger than Japan's media groups...
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Old August 27th, 2008, 05:57 AM   #4914
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I also believe it will be down to either Rio or Chicago but my question is what is Rio's transportation network like? Chicago has a massive commuter train system and the EL also are there security concerns with that part of the world?
The Chicago El and Metra systems are very old and decaying. They can't handle existing passenger traffic let alone the surge expected from an Olympics.

There are greater security concerns in the U.S. than Brazil because poeple around the world do not hate Brazil.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 06:00 AM   #4915
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Old August 27th, 2008, 06:01 AM   #4916
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I would say Chicago and Tokyo would be the runner ups.

Last time American continent have hosted the Games were in 1996.
Aren't you forgetting Salt Lake City in 2002?

If the IOC gave the Olympics to an authoritarian nation where there is no freedom of speech, religion, the press, or assembly, then they should have no problem giving them to Brazil, which IS a democracy.
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Old August 27th, 2008, 06:02 AM   #4917
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Aren't you forgetting Salt Lake City in 2002?

If the IOC gave the Olympics to an authoritarian nation where there is no freedom of speech, religion, the press, or assembly, then they should have no problem giving them to Brazil, which IS a democracy.
and vancouver 2010
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Old August 27th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #4918
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If the IOC gave the Olympics to an authoritarian nation where there is no freedom of speech, religion, the press, or assembly, then they should have no problem giving them to Brazil, which IS a democracy.
I definitely agree with that.
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and vancouver 2010
I meant Summer Games... The logic behind Winter Games are different (see 1952 - Norway // 1956 - Italy or 1992 - France // 1994 - Norway).

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If the IOC gave the Olympics to an authoritarian nation where there is no freedom of speech, religion, the press, or assembly, then they should have no problem giving them to Brazil, which IS a democracy.
Democracy is NOT a relevant point. Economics and Sports force are far more important. Brazil will host WC 2014! It cannot afford two competitions THAT big in a row (the only nation I remember doing it was USA!). Besides, RIO's got the lowest rates among the 4 finalists --its chances are close to none.
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I meant Summer Games... The logic behind Winter Games are different (see 1952 - Norway // 1956 - Italy or 1992 - France // 1994 - Norway).



Democracy is NOT a relevant point. Economics and Sports force are far more important. Brazil will host WC 2014! It cannot afford two competitions THAT big in a row (the only nation I remember doing it was USA!). Besides, RIO's got the lowest rates among the 4 finalists --its chances are close to none.
Mexico City 1968 Olympics
Mexico 1970 World Cup

Munich 1972 Olympics
West Germany 1974 World Cup

USA 1994 World Cup
Atlanta 1996 Olympics

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London was 3rd on the first half and won 2012

Paris — scored 8.5
Madrid — scored 8.3
London — scored 7.6
New York City — scored 7.5
Moscow — scored 6.5

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You are right, economy and sports force comes first

+ Brazil sent 300 athletes to Beijing (more than Spain).
+ In 2016, Brazil will be the 5th economy in the world.
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