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Old February 18th, 2009, 01:07 PM   #5141
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The thing is: do you want another Beijing?? Games which were technically flawless, but nevertheless (with the exception of athletics and swimming), boring til' death? Or do you want a celebration of life and sport in one of the most beautiful scenarios of the world!?
You think America couldn't offer that as well?!

The reason Beijing was less 'fun' (although it was brilliant) wasn't because it lacked Rio's beaches or natural settings, it was because it was organised like a military operation with no room for spontaneity; it was done to a strict script and was, in effect, China's "coming out party". American culture and free enterprise - whatever state it may be in at the moment - is the antithesis of this. Chicago wouldn't be bound to the kind of collective and forced nationalism Beijing wallowed in for three weeks. In fact, Chicago would follow and complement London beautifully; both would be games in well-established countries, games which would showcase the city and be great for athletes and spectators but not feel forced.

Rio, for all it's beutiful beaches and carnival atmosphere, runs more risk of this happening than Chicago simply because it would be a massive thing for Brazil. If Rio wins then takes itself too seriously that would be a shame because a Rio games could be amazingly fun.

But finally, most importantly, and back to my original point: a Chicago Games would not be boring!
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I can't understand your objections about Rio, because of the lack of infrastructure and security. Brazil may be not a rich or highly developed country, but I cannot see a reason why an 196 million people country with 2.03 trillion GDP is unable to organize the Olympics, when the 11 million Greeks have organized them twice.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 03:32 PM   #5143
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i think it should go to rio.

it mustnt go to america as they've hosted it in 96 which is still quite recent, plus america has hosted it more times than any other country and i think it'd be fair and more interesting to choose another venue.

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Old February 18th, 2009, 03:35 PM   #5144
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But finally, most importantly, and back to my original point: a Chicago Games would not be boring!
yes it would. it would all be commercialism and mindless marketing. corporate branding. business. 'dollar signs'. its never about the sport in america.

no, give it to another country for once. i, for one, wanting everything all the time just because they can flaunt their wealth as if its an important factor in sports.

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Old February 18th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #5145
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yes it would. it would all be commercialism and mindless marketing. corporate branding. business. 'dollar signs'. its never about the sport in america.

no, give it to another country for once. i, for one, wanting everything all the time just because they can flaunt their wealth as if its an important factor in sports.

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Hahaha. Nope..Hahaha. Its never about sports in America. Hahaha.

What an utterly ridiculous statement.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 03:22 AM   #5146
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ok, i think this thread has outlived its usefulness. arguing over the which city deserves olympics is silly when only 5 of you will actually bother watching them, regardless where they end up.
10 years!
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2016 Summer Olympics / Games of the XXXI Olympiad bids

Here we are opening a new "2016 Summer Olympics / Games of the XXXI Olympiad bids" thread. Guys, lets stick to the essence here and not get involved in all sorts of personality in order not to be closed again
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Decision on 2016 Olympics set for autumn

Published: Friday 31 July 2009

The executive board of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) will meet in Berlin on 13-14 August 2009 to select two new sports to recommend for inclusion in the programme for the 2016 Olympic Summer Games, the host of which will be announced in October.

Based on an assessment report examining seven candidate sports - baseball, golf, karate, in-line skating, rugby, softball and squash - the board will recommend two for inclusion in the 2016 Games. The final decision will be taken on 3-5 October during the Olympic Congressexternal in Copenhagen, Denmark.

On 2 Octover, the IOC will announce the host city of the 2016 Summer Games. The four candidate cities are Chicago (USA), Madrid (Spain), Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) and Tokyo (Japan).

Meanwhile, the bid process for the 2018 Winter Games was launched today (31 July).

Olympic Movement overhaul

The 2009 Olympic Congress is taking place 15 years after the previous one, held in Parisexternal in 1994. The Paris Congress highlighted the environment and the sustainable development of sports practices as its driving topics. Since then, they have been included in the Olympic Charter as the third pillar of Olympism, alongside sport and culture.

The 2009 congress aims to "take the pulse of the Olympic Movement," analysing its strengths and weaknesses and evaluating the opportunities and challenges it faces.

In view of the congress, the International Olympic Movement held a public consultationexternal earlier this year, inviting stakeholders to give their views on emerging issues like the decline in sports participation among young people and management of sports rights in the digital age.

Held under the banner 'The Olympic Movement in Society', the 2009 congress will take stock of the results of the consultation and determine the way forward for the movement's future development. Key topics include athlete-related issues, the Olympic Games, the structure of the Olympic Movement, Olympism and youth, and the digital revolution.

Specific issues to be discussed include combining social and professional life during and after elite competition, Olympic values, the autonomy of the Olympic Movement and the appeal of competitive sport for young people.

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Brazil's president talks up Rio 2016 Olympic bid

PARIS (AP) -Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva insists that now is the right time for a South American country to host its first Olympics.

Rio de Janeiro is competing against Chicago, Madrid and Tokyo for the 2016 games, with the IOC to select the host city on Oct. 2 in Copenhagen.

"We can't accept the idea that the Olympics Games belong exclusively to the rich countries,'' Silva said Tuesday through an interpreter at the Brazilian Embassy in Paris.

Silva believes that "the Olympics in a European country, in Japan, or in the United States of America is quite simply just one more Olympic Games'' while holding the event in South America would be a refreshing change.

"South America has never hosted the Olympic Games,'' Silva said. "I respect all the other candidates. But I think Rio de Janeiro deserves this chance.''

Silva is confident Brazil can follow up its hosting of football's 2014 World Cup with a successful Olympics in Rio. Brazil, he said, would have nothing to envy from Beijing's hosting of the 2008 Olympics or Sydney's staging of the 2000 games.

"Brazil can show what China showed, what Australia showed ... that we have the competence to organize the Olympics,'' he said. "The Brazilian people love football, but we also love other sports.''

Silva said Brazil's econony is strong enough to host the Olympics.

"The economic situation of the country is stable with great possibilities for growth and improvement for the quality of life of Brazilians,'' he said.

"At the beginning of 2010, I will present our economic growth plan for 2011-15,'' he added. "The point is to make up for all the delays Brazil has incurred over the last 20 years without investing in infrastructure. We will do this independently of the Olympics, but of course with the Olympics we will have to make new investments.''

Silva is expected to attend the IOC vote in Copenhagen.

"I think that, in the first round, our most dangerous rival will be Spain, Madrid, because of Latin American votes,'' Silva said. "(The Spanish royal family) still exercises a lot of charm in Latin American countries.''

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Old August 1st, 2009, 08:35 PM   #5151
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Rio 2016 Olympic bid receives another financial boost

July 31 - Rio de Janeiro's bid to follow London and host the 2016 Olympics today recived another boost when they signed signed a new R$3.5 million (£1.1 million) sponsorship deal with Banco Bradesco to help its campaign.

It followed a donation earlier this week of R$13 million (£4 million) from Eike Batista, Brazil's wealthiest man.

Carlos Arthur Nuzman, the President of Rio's bid, hailed the importance of the new partnership.

He said: "We are very happy with the support of Bradesco, which shows the confidence that Brazilian entrepreneurs have in the project.

"It encourages for us to work even harder in this final stage of the campaign."

The money will be used to help Rio prepare for the International Olympic Committee (IOC) Session in Copenhagen, where, on October 2, the host city for 2016 will be chosen.

Rio faces opposition from Chicago, Madrid and Tokyo.

Luiz Carlos Trabuco Cappi, the chief executive of Banco Bradesco, said the investment helped demonstrate Brazil's position as one of the world's leading nations.

He said: "We say that Brazil is part of the modern world and Bradesco is part of Brazil.

"Rio 2016 is a representation of Brazil’s realignment into the international community.

"It deserves all our support and our help."

Banco Bradesco, which was founded in 1943, has 20 million clients and posses the largest network of in the country, with presence in 95 per cent of Brazilian cities.

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The IOC should give Rio the 2016 Olympics

Timing is everything. Just ask all the other movies that were up against Gone With the Wind for the 1939 Best Picture. Goodbye Mr Chips, Mr Smith Goes to Washington, Wuthering Heights and The Wizard of Oz would most likely have won in any other year.

Then other years, Million Dollar Baby and Crash win.

In three months, the host city of the 2016 Olympics will be decided. Only four are left in the running and I don’t think any of them is an outstanding case for winning the right to host the games.

The race for 2012 was a blockbuster, with London beating out Moscow, New York, Paris and Madrid. Of the four, only Madrid is returning. It is joined in the final four by Rio de Janeiro, Chicago and Tokyo.

Let’s play devil’s advocate:

* Madrid – London is hosting 2012 and no continent has gone back to back since London –Helsinki in 1948-52.
* Tokyo – Beijing just had it. It wouldn’t go back to Asia after just an eight year break.
* Rio de Janeiro – South America has never hosted an Olympics. There are huge (HUGE) question marks about it having the wherewithal to do so and being able to accommodate all the logistical issues that come with the gig.
* Chicago – America has had it too many times already.

Now, IF Rio can host it, then why not?

There is no time like the present to give South America its first guernsey, and if it isn’t going to be now, then when? It will be hosting the 2014 World Cup and that should help its chances.

As the Olympics gets bigger and bigger, the number of cities which will be able to host it is only going to get smaller and smaller.

Cities also need to pay more attention to what happens after the sixteen day party is over. The two most feared words in a host city’s lexicon are white elephant.

Sydney and Athens are still grappling with this and Beijing is now dealing with what to do with a world class 80,000 seat stadium, as well as other facilities that no-one is interested in using.

The days of Havana, Dublin and Istanbul even making the shortlist are over.

This is an issue that the IOC needs to work on. And hopefully in four years time, it will have 20/20 vision.

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A quarter century later, LA Games stand as turning point for Olympic movement
28 July 2009
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In many ways, Peter Ueberroth looks at the uncomfortable bickering over the billions of dollars the Olympics produce as a good thing.

It means they are still thriving, a quarter century after the Los Angeles Games that gave us Carl Lewis, Mary Lou Retton and Mary Decker also revolutionized an Olympic movement that was on the verge of extinction.

The 25th anniversary of the opening ceremonies in Los Angeles is Tuesday. In an interview, Ueberroth acknowledged some of the current problems that plague the Olympics -- with tension between the U.S. and International Olympic Committees at the top of the list.

"Do some people get a little crazy when there's a lot of money on the table, the way there is today? Yeah, they do," Ueberroth said. "But you can look beyond that. The L.A. Games are a very good part of the heritage."

Los Angeles was awarded the games in 1978, with the Olympics still reeling from the tragedies of Munich and the financial disaster of Montreal, which carried $1.5 billion in debt out of the 1976 Games -- a bill that wasn't paid off until 2006. Local and national governments footed the bills back then, and the mayor of Montreal infamously said the Olympics were such a proven winner that the city could "no more have a deficit, than a man can have a baby."

Against that backdrop, Tehran was the only other city to show any interest in hosting the 1984 Olympics. Los Angeles was seriously considering giving them back, when the idea to turn the games into a privately financed endeavor came about.

That led to the hiring of Ueberroth, who helped the L.A. Games turn a profit of $233 million. He sharply reduced the number of sponsors but increased what they paid, a model that has proven to be a winner over time. He maximized payments for TV rights, which today represent the biggest chunk of money taken in by the IOC, but back then were negotiated directly between the networks and the local organizing committees.

"It was a paradigm shift," said Edwin Moses, who took the athlete's oath at opening ceremonies, and later won a gold medal in the 400-meter hurdles. "The explosion of corporate sponsorship changed the look of all sports, maybe pro sports, most of all."

Ueberroth was named Time Magazine's Man of the Year for making those games a success, and they were memorable for more than the bottom line.

--Lewis won four gold medals, matching the record haul of Jesse Owens in Berlin in 1936.

--Decker was a favorite in the 3,000 meters, only to see her hopes squashed when she got tangled with Zola Budd and had to be carried off the track in tears -- one of the most heartbreaking, and made-for-TV, moments in Olympic history.

--Retton became a household name, winning the gymnastics all-around with her perfect 10s on the floor and vault and getting swallowed up in hugs from her coach, Bela Karolyi.

--Shooter Xu Haifeng became the first Chinese athlete to win an Olympic medal. China did not honor the Soviet Union's call for a boycott -- a gesture Ueberroth believes was invaluable for the long-term health of the Olympics.

--In fact, the Soviet boycott of the games backfired on most fronts, maybe most notably because it allowed so many more Americans to win medals and become famous, which stoked greater interest in the Olympic movement in the world's biggest media market.

Ueberroth gave credit to former IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch for making the L.A. template a permanent part of the Games instead of merely handing it off to the next hosts, Seoul, South Korea.

The template has been replicated and refined numerous times and the Olympics have thrived. They are now the ultimate brand name in sports, a biennial event that stands above almost every other sporting event for athletes, media, fans and sponsors.

"The results were much better than any expectations," Samaranch wrote in a letter Ueberroth read to a gathering that met to celebrate the 25th anniversary. "The L.A. Games meant the beginning of a new era in the games' concept and organization. L.A. delivered and its organizational success generated vast interest from cities to become, themselves, organizers, when for 1984, L.A. was the only bidder."

Of course, the success has also begat the current strife between international leaders and those in the United States. They are fighting over the way TV and sponsorship money is shared, as well as the recent USOC plan to start its own Olympic TV network.

All this comes against the backdrop of another American city, Chicago, trying to land the 2016 Olympics. Many wonder if the USOC's sticky relationship with the IOC will hamper the city's chances when the vote is taken in October.

But Ueberroth doesn't let today's problems dim his outlook or tarnish his feelings about the legacy of Los Angeles. As one small example of the success, he points to the rise of hundreds of Olympic athletes over the past two decades from countries that couldn't afford to run their own programs without the financial help of a rich Olympic movement.

"I think there's never a perfect world, but back then, nobody would put on an Olympic Games," Ueberroth said. "They were in the worst position of all. If we didn't do it privately, it wouldn't happen. So overall, things are much better."
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 06:04 AM   #5154
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Rio deserves this chance, Latin America deserves this chance...
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The problem with Rio is whether or not they can come through and complete all the thing they promise in their bid. There is already talk that they may not have the money to complete everything necessary for the 2014 World Cup so if that is the case, can they come through for an Olympics two years later? I don't think we'll have an answer by the time they need to vote so I think I'd prefer if the IOC bypasses Rio and takes another look at them for 2020.
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IMO, i don't think Tokyo should host the 2016 games simply because they've already done it once.

After London having the 2012 games, the Olympics shouldn't return so soon to Europe, so i don't want Madrid to host the 2016 games.

I'm split b/w Chicago and Rio de Janeiro.

I want Chicago because i live in the USA, but SA, as a continent has never hosted an Olympics, so i want them to host, too.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 02:27 PM   #5157
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What a beautifull video Rio... It's time for a big change...It's time to reach a new continent... It's time for Rio...
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In order of preference for me:

1. Chicago
2. Rio
3. Madrid
4. Tokyo

Chicago 2016 is one of the best American bids I've seen and I'm sure they'd put on a stunning games. It uses the city as a canvas, with virtually all the venues having Chicago's skyline as a backdrop. I think it would follow on from London very neatly. And I think the legacy it will leave for the city will be akin to Barcelona or Sydney's - it will push them up a level as a world city.

Rio is a city I would love to see host at some point in the future but not 2016. I think having the world cup there two years earlier would lessen the impact and distinctiveness of a South American games. It'd just be too soon for me. I don't want their Olympics to be the sporting equivilent of coffee and liquers after a large meal.

Madrid is too soon after London but has arguably the best technical bid, although it doesn't excite me a huge amount. Bad timing on their part.

Tokyo is bottom of my list purely because their ideas don't excite me. As magnificent as it was, after Beijing another massive, bloated Asian games really doesn't appeal. Their bid is the least talked about and has garnered the least international interest of the four.
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I always wanted Chicago to win 2016 Olympic bid until I saw the video of Rio... I am impressed with the video. I saw old renderings of Rio and I was very unimpressed but they improved a lot on the designs. Only con that most of Olympic complexes are little too far out of Rio. I wish most of them would be in downtown Rio area. Anyway, now I want Chicago or Rio to win the bids.
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Some of the newer renders/videos for the Chicago bid since the thread closed.....

Chicago 2016 Virtual Flyover Video

Venue Experience (Up Close)

Chicago 2016 Virtual Village Flyover Video

Cluster Map

Olympic Village

Olympic Village layout

Olympic Villages layout

Olympic Village / Waterfront

Olympic Village

South Cluster

Washington Park Green

Olympic Stadium, Washington Park (Track and field)

South Shore Olympic Park (Washington Park)

Aquatics, Washington Park (Swimming)

Wasington Park - (Diving)

Field Hockey in Jackson Park

North Cluster

Triathlon (North Ave. Beach)

Tennis Complex (Lakeview)

West Cluster

UIC Pavilion (Boxing)

United Center (Gymnastics) / Basketball

Douglas Park - Cycling Track

Douglas Park (West side) - BMX Cycling

Central Cluster

Millennium Park / Grant Park (entertainmen and ceremony)

Live Site

Buckingham Fountain, Grant Park (Marathon start) and "Live sites"

Hutchinson Field, Grant Park (Archery)

Grant Park / Lakefront (Swim marathon)

Grant Park / Lakefront (Rowing)

Soldier Field (Football Finals)

Northerly Island (Sailing)

Northerly Island (Beach Volleyball)

Northerly Island (Canoe/Kayak/Slalom)

Lake Michigan Sports Complex (McCormick Place convention center)

McCormick Place (Wrestling)

McCormick Place (Weightlifting)

McCormick Place (Volleyball)

McCormick Place (Taekwondo)

McCormick Place (table tennis)

McCormick Place (rhythmic gymnastics)

McCormick Place (Judo)

McCormick Place (Handball)

McCormick Place (Fencing)

McCormick Place (Baksetball prelims)

McCormick Place (Badminton)

Northwestern University - Ryan Field (Modern Pentathlon)

Temple Farms, Lake County (Equestrian)

Aurora (Shooting)

Madison, Wis. (road cycling)

Madison, Wis. (Mountain bike)

Madison, Wis. (Time trial and road race)

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Football Prelims - LA, NYC, Minneapolis
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