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Old September 2nd, 2009, 06:56 AM   #5341
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Sorry, but i prefere to wait for nex month to see who is correct. But maybe you are right, Chicago will get it, just like Atlanta 96 and Salt Lake 2002 paying for the OIC members in an unffair dispute. If itr happen so, ill just hope that will not be shit games like it was in 96, and good luck with the security issues.
I think nomarandlee summed up much of what I was going to say. Here's just a little more.

Paying for the OIC votes? Sorry, but SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE of this statement, or shut up. Shit games like 1996? Your opinion, not fact. Again, totally baseless. Good luck with security issues? Pot calling the kettle black maybe? I think no one from Rio has any right to say a thing about security issues.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 10:40 AM   #5342
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Sorry, but i prefere to wait for nex month to see who is correct. But maybe you are right, Chicago will get it, just like Atlanta 96 and Salt Lake 2002 paying for the OIC members in an unffair dispute. If itr happen so, ill just hope that will not be shit games like it was in 96, and good luck with the security issues.
I've told you once already. Piss off if you can't discuss this properly. I don't want the mods shutting this thread down, but it was exactly posts like the above that got it shut down in the first place.

But at least it's nice to see you getting your excuses and unfounded accusations in early if Rio loses. Just a hint though mate, sour grapes normally come after a defeat, not before one.

Idiot.

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Old September 2nd, 2009, 10:50 AM   #5343
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i 4got... whens the vote again?
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 10:55 AM   #5344
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 02:03 PM   #5345
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i 4got... whens the vote again?
Please, do not wreck the english language.

It's: "I forgot, when is the vote again?"
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 02:23 PM   #5346
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 03:06 PM   #5347
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The evaluation documments, anyone???
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 03:41 PM   #5348
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 03:52 PM   #5349
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I read the report.

1- Madrid : offers the best guarantees
2- Tokyo : can do it very well
3- Chicago : many elements of risk
4- Rio : many elements critical


so tokyo and madrid must valorize the report if they want to reach rio and chicago , that seems are leading the race.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:01 PM   #5350
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I read the report.

1- Madrid : offers the best guarantees
2- Tokyo : can do it very well
3- Chicago : many elements of risk
4- Rio : many elements critical


so tokyo and madrid must valorize the report if they want to reach rio and chicago , that seems are leading the race.
Which critical elements on the Rio report??
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:09 PM   #5351
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Which critical elements on the Rio report??
it's full of critical elements and challenges.

from the report .

" the topography of rio, as well as the legacy vision, involving the development of four key zones in the city, WOULD IMPACT ON TRAVEL DISTANCES FOR SOME ATHLETES AND OTHER CLIENTS GROUPS. efficient implementation of the games-time transport operations plan, including the olympic lane system and delivery of extensive plans for new transport infrastructure, WOULD BE CRITICAL"

" a rio 2016 games would accelerate delivery but would require CAREFUL MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING"

"...this project would require particular attention in both the planning and delivey phasis.."

" recognising that it faces public safety CHALLENGES.."

"while hosting the 2014 fifa..., it also represents a challenge with respect to 2016 games marketing..."
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:12 PM   #5352
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So, in your opinnion, does this compromises Rio's bid severely or mildly?
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:20 PM   #5353
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So, in your opinnion, does this compromises Rio's bid severely or mildly?
not at all.
rio will win
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:23 PM   #5354
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not at all.
rio will win


Thx for the info!
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:54 PM   #5355
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2 September 2009
IOC releases 2016 Evaluation Commission Report

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) today released the report of the Evaluation Commission for the Games of the XXXI Olympiad in 2016. This report was written following the Commission’s visits to the four Candidate Cities vying to host these Games: Chicago (United States), Tokyo (Japan), Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) and Madrid (Spain).*

Web : http://www.olympic.org/uk/news/olymp...uk.asp?id=3110

Download the Report : http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_1469.pdf
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 05:18 PM   #5356
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wow, i don't really mind which nation it goes to really, but i guess besides Tokyo, the other three cities have never hosted the games and therefore deserve a chance. Brazil hasn't really hosted the Olympics before and therefore it would be a great chance for them to show case their country and culture to the world.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 05:28 PM   #5357
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I just read the summary of the report and these two jumped at me:

"To meet Games requirements and given the insufficient
number of hotel rooms, Rio 2016 has put forward a tailored
accommodation plan incorporating hotel rooms, four villages
and six cruise ships, taking into account the future needs of
the city. This project, including managing the 20,000 room
media village in Barra, would require particular attention in
both the planning and delivery phases. The difficulty to obtain
guarantees for cruise ships seven years before the Games
places extra pressure on Rio 2016 to meet Games demands."

"However, the Candidature File and supporting documentation,
as well as the administrative structure proposed for a
Madrid 2016 Games, did not demonstrate a full understanding
of the need for clear delineation of roles and responsibilities,
including financial, between different stakeholders to ensure
an efficient and timely transition to the OCOG, or of the management
of operations required to implement the Games vision,
concept and plans. Given the current complexity and magnitude
of delivering a major multi-sports event such as the
Olympic Games, this could result in organisational and
financial challenges.
At the time of the visit, it was unclear whether Spanish antidoping
legislation complied with the WADA code. It is
important that this issue is resolved."
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 05:59 PM   #5358
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I just read the summary of the report and these two jumped at me:

"To meet Games requirements and given the insufficient
number of hotel rooms, Rio 2016 has put forward a tailored
accommodation plan incorporating hotel rooms, four villages
and six cruise ships, taking into account the future needs of
the city. This project, including managing the 20,000 room
media village in Barra, would require particular attention in
both the planning and delivery phases. The difficulty to obtain
guarantees for cruise ships seven years before the Games
places extra pressure on Rio 2016 to meet Games demands."

"However, the Candidature File and supporting documentation,
as well as the administrative structure proposed for a
Madrid 2016 Games, did not demonstrate a full understanding
of the need for clear delineation of roles and responsibilities,
including financial, between different stakeholders to ensure
an efficient and timely transition to the OCOG, or of the management
of operations required to implement the Games vision,
concept and plans. Given the current complexity and magnitude
of delivering a major multi-sports event such as the
Olympic Games, this could result in organisational and
financial challenges.
At the time of the visit, it was unclear whether Spanish antidoping
legislation complied with the WADA code. It is
important that this issue is resolved."
What you're saying?
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ugh... if you can't read the parts of the report that I posted, what it is saying is that Rio does not have enough hotel rooms and will have to contract cruise ships yet these may be hard to come by with only a 7 year advance notice. Madrid on the other hand may have organizational and financial challenges.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 06:57 PM   #5360
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ugh... if you can't read the parts of the report that I posted, what it is saying is that Rio does not have enough hotel rooms and will have to contract cruise ships yet these may be hard to come by with only a 7 year advance notice. Madrid on the other hand may have organizational and financial challenges.
I can read, I just can't see beyond your intentions

Why only to post the down-sides of Rio and Madrid?? Chicago was targeted of mass concern to the IOC as well.
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