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Old September 10th, 2009, 12:57 AM   #5461
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Engenhao could be expanded
The OC and CC demands a lot more security measures. Engenhao is located in an area far from the main hotels and with not a good traffic ways. Maracana is very well located and it is a great stadium
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Anyway, I think Rio's proposals are quite good. My only objection is the fact that there is no main Olympic Complex and the venues are a bit all over the place.
That´s the olympic complex. Just because there is no stadium doesnt mean is not an olympic complex. And the venues are not all over the place. Just the same as the proposals from Chicago, Tokyo and Madrid.

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TG that you have no power at all to decide anything!!
Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion though

And you don't know any better than I whether IOC members will share that opinion.
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The stadia dilemma could be solved, there's no obstruction whatsoever...
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Rio Gains Lead in GamesBids.com's BidIndex; Chicago Leapfrogs To Second
Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:05pm EDT GB Editor
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Thursday’s release of GamesBids.com's BidIndex shows that a shift in momentum is transforming the race – but the competition remains extremely close. The four candidates have earned scores that show they have the potential to win the Olympic bid in this first update since the release of the Evaluation Commission report on the candidates’ bid books and site visits held last spring.

The bid from Rio de Janeiro continued to accelerate and with the biggest BidIndex increase in the field it took over the top spot from Tokyo. Rio scored 61.61, up 1.66 since the last release and putting it at its highest point in his campaign.

Some key elements that helped raise Rio’s score are public support, a realistic budget, the sentimental lure of having the first Olympic Games in South America, and the popularity of the bid’s charismatic leader Carlos Nuzman. The International Olympic Committee's evaluation report also identified areas of valuable Olympic legacy.

Chicago also marked a significant increase with its BidIndex score moving up 1.64 points to 60.01, lifting the bid up two spots to second place. That reversed a steady decline that the American bid had suffered since the beginning of the campaign.

On a bit of a roller coaster ride, Chicago's bid announced Wednesday that the city council has approved the Olympic host city contract allowing the Mayor to sign it if the bid is successful. This resolves a major issue regarding financial guarantees, and the development is accounted for in this BidIndex release.

The evaluation report for Chicago was generally positive; however tensions between the IOC and the United States Olympic Committee could remain despite the recent concessions made regarding a new Olympic television network. And while the other bids will send their national leaders to Copenhagen for the final presentations, it seems United States President Barack Obama may not attend. If he does attend, expect Chicago's score to increase.

Tokyo's fortunes have reversed in this release; the Japanese bid dropped from first to third and declined 2.21 points to 59.20 - its lowest point in the campaign. The bid’s earlier momentum has been lost.

The bid received top marks in the IOC's initial evaluation report; however there is some pointed criticism as a result of this site evaluation. Relatively low public support, a discrepancy in the reported completedness of venues, land allocation for the Olympic Stadium and potentially high hotel rates during Games preparations are among the concerns.

The only repeat bidder in this campaign, Madrid, has fallen back to fourth with a BidIndex score of 57.80, down 0.93 points.

From the beginning, the Spanish bid has had one weakening but static fundamental - it is located in Europe, and it is unlikely the IOC would choose a European host immediately following consecutive European Games in London and Sochi. Madrid has a good plan and excellent public support - but that's not enough.

The IOC also noticed some organizational difficulties and felt that presentations during a site visit were sub-par.

“The race remains very close, but this BidIndex update offers some resolution. While Rio continues to improve and Chicago reverses its losing trend – the others seem to becoming less of a factor”, explained GamesBids.com Producer Robert Livingstone.

“If Chicago can build on recent positive news and continue to gain, this may be a photo finish not unlike London and Paris and 2012. But don’t rule out Tokyo and Madrid just yet.”

In the 2012 bid Paris had the highest BidIndex scores throughout the campaign but London continued to close the gap from update-to-update and pulled off a very close election victory.

BidIndex is a mathematical model developed by GamesBids.com that when applied to an Olympic Bid, produces a number that can be used to rate a bid relative to past successful bids - and possibly gauge its potential success. London’s winning 2012 bid had a final BidIndex score of 65.07 while Sochi's winning 2014 Winter Games bids scored 63.17.

BidIndex is not intended to rate the bids based solely on technical quality, but on how the bids will perform based on IOC voting patterns. History has proven that the best technical bids often do not win but other factors such as geo-politics usually have a significant impact.

The latest results have been released with 21 days remaining until the final vote in Copenhagen on October 2. The bids will have an opportunity to make important final presentations that will likely have an impact on the voting, especially with this close race.

BidIndex may be updated before the election if new information becomes available.

BidIndex Results

Rio - 61.61 (up 1.66)
Chicago - 60.01 (up 1.64)
Tokyo - 59.20 (down 2.21)
Madrid - 57.80 (down 0.93)


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Old September 11th, 2009, 04:50 AM   #5466
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OBAMA MAY NOT GO TO COPENHAGEN

Just weeks before the International Olympic Committee (IOC) selects the host city for the 2016 Summer Olympic Games, U.S. President Barack Obama will be promoting Chicago 2016's bid on two fronts. The President will be hosting Olympians and Paralympians at the White House on Wednesday, and is sending a senior adviser, Valerie Jarrett, to Copenhagen to attend the October 2 vote.

The Olympic athletes will first visit local schools and then join Obama and his wife Michelle at the White House in the afternoon.

The Associated Press reports on Wednesday Obama is hosting an event jointly at the White House with Chicago 2016's bid committee, said a White House official. According to the news agency the official spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement had not yet been made.

Meanwhile Chicago 2016 CEO Stephanie Streeter told Chicago's WBBM that she does not believe Chicago is in the lead for the 2016 Games, but believes it can finish first. She said, "what you want to do is be in the lead on the last day, after the vote is taken, not necessarily going into the competition".

Streeter said she believes Chicago is peaking at the right time.

She added that while it would be a significant show of support for the President to go to Copenhagen for the October 2 vote - joining the chiefs of state from the other finalists - Brazil, Spain and Japan - it will not necessarily be fatal if he does not. She said she expected Obama to make a decision on going "at the last minute", saying the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) asked the President earlier this week to commit himself to the Copenhagen trip for the vote.

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Old September 11th, 2009, 06:00 AM   #5467
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OBAMA MAY NOT GO TO COPENHAGEN

Just weeks before the International Olympic Committee (IOC) selects the host city for the 2016 Summer Olympic Games, U.S. President Barack Obama will be promoting Chicago 2016's bid on two fronts. The President will be hosting Olympians and Paralympians at the White House on Wednesday, and is sending a senior adviser, Valerie Jarrett, to Copenhagen to attend the October 2 vote.

The Olympic athletes will first visit local schools and then join Obama and his wife Michelle at the White House in the afternoon.

The Associated Press reports on Wednesday Obama is hosting an event jointly at the White House with Chicago 2016's bid committee, said a White House official. According to the news agency the official spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement had not yet been made.

Meanwhile Chicago 2016 CEO Stephanie Streeter told Chicago's WBBM that she does not believe Chicago is in the lead for the 2016 Games, but believes it can finish first. She said, "what you want to do is be in the lead on the last day, after the vote is taken, not necessarily going into the competition".

Streeter said she believes Chicago is peaking at the right time.

She added that while it would be a significant show of support for the President to go to Copenhagen for the October 2 vote - joining the chiefs of state from the other finalists - Brazil, Spain and Japan - it will not necessarily be fatal if he does not. She said she expected Obama to make a decision on going "at the last minute", saying the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) asked the President earlier this week to commit himself to the Copenhagen trip for the vote.

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Old September 12th, 2009, 12:28 AM   #5468
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EVEN BETTER.....

Michelle Obama is to attend Copenhagen!!!

Sorry its in Spanish..
but it says she going.
a BORN and raised Chicagoan.
Good Luck....First Lady Obama.

Michelle Obama apoyará a Chicago 2016 en Copenhague
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La primera dama de Estados Unidos, Michelle Obama, confirmó su presencia en la reunión que el Comité Olímpico Internacional (COI) realizará el próximo 2 de octubre en Copenhague, donde se decidirá qué sede será la que organice los Juegos Olímpicos de 2016, a los que opta Madrid. Seguir leyendo el arículo
Michelle Obama acudirá a la capital danesa para apoyar la candidatura de Chicago, tal y como expresó el propio Barack Obama al Jacques Rogge, presidente del COI. El jefe de gobierno estadounidense telefoneó a Rogge para excusar su ausencia por el momento que vive su país.

La reforma sanitaria --una de sus prioridades legislativas-- es un asunto que le impide abandonar Estados Unidos para apoyar a Chicago en Dinamarca, pero el presidente Obama "seguirá trabajando para promover la candidatura de Chicago", aseguró la Casa Blanca.

Por su parte, Michelle Obama, que nació al sur de Chicago, se mostró convencida de las posibilidades de la ciudad norteamericana. "Chicago ofrecerá al mundo un escenario fantástico para estos Juegos y espero que la llama olímpica tenga la oportunidad de arder en mi lugar natal", expresó.

Chicago deberá competir con Madrid, Rio de Janerio y Tokio. Tanto el rey Juan Carlos, como el presidente brasileño, Lula da Silva, han confirmado su asistencia al acto del COI. En Japón, el Comité Olímpico ha procesado la invitación a su nuevo primer ministro, Yukio Hatoyama.

It says President Obama called Mr. Rogue to excuse himself but he will be sending his wife.
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Wow that would be awesome, maybe there is a posibility that President Obama will be there.
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Obama is Obama...Michelle is Michelle ..

if you know what I mean
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No Favourites In 2016 Race - Rogge


Friday, September 11, 2009 11:46am EDT GB Staff

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The Associated Press reports that International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge says he expects the race for the 2016 Summer Olympic Games will be decided by "a couple of votes", and shouldn't hinge on whether U.S. President Barack Obama goes to Denmark to push for his home city's bid.
Rogge told The Associated Press, "I see really no favourite. I think it's going to be a very close vote. I think the final vote will be decided by a couple of votes only".

Rogge said he expects the result to be as close or closer than the vote in Singapore in 2005 when London defeated Paris by four votes in the final round of voting for the 2012 Summer Games.

He added, "there is no favourite. There is no bid that is lagging behind. All the scenarios are possible".

Although Brazil's President Luiz Ignacio Lula da Silva, and King Juan Carlos of Spain are expected to attend; and Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama and Crown Prince Naruhito of Japan have been invited, Rogge said he has no information about Obama's plans and had firm confirmation only of the Spanish king's attendance. He said, "I expect this to come out probably in a fortnight at the latest because there are security arrangements, there are protocol issues, there is accommodation".

According to The Associated Press Rogge dismissed speculation that Chicago's chances will be harmed if Obama doesn't go. He said, "absolutely not. There is no obligation to come there. There is neither a tradition for all the heads of states to come. We wouldn't see that as being negative whatsoever. I'm sure that if a head of state will not be coming that head of state will definitely make a video presentation or send letters and things like that".

Meanwhile, Obama's Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told a press conference Thursday that Obama isn't currently scheduled to attend the bid's presentation. He said, "as far as the schedule I have seen, that is not planned. This country's bid is very well represented and seems to be making progress".

Rogge said he believes most IOC members already know their choice for 2016, but that "two or three or four votes" could be swung by the final presentations on the day of the vote, reports The Associated Press.

Rogge said he welcomed the vote by the Chicago city council on Wednesday agreeing to take full financial responsibility for the Games, including any deficit.

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I see Obama sending his wife who, compared to her husband, has all the charisma of a dead fish as a bad omen for Chicago. There are two possible reasons Obama isn't going:

1) He fears the political fallout of going to Copenhagen to win a 7-years-in-the-future sporting event for his home town when there are more pressing issues at home - i.e. health care.

2) He already has some inside knowledge that Chicago is likely to lose the bid and doesn't want to be associated directly with the loss.

I don't know - I just get a bad feeling about this for Chicago.
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Old September 12th, 2009, 05:27 AM   #5473
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I see Obama sending his wife who, compared to her husband, has all the charisma of a dead fish as a bad omen for Chicago. There are two possible reasons Obama isn't going:

1) He fears the political fallout of going to Copenhagen to win a 7-years-in-the-future sporting event for his home town when there are more pressing issues at home - i.e. health care.

2) He already has some inside knowledge that Chicago is likely to lose the bid and doesn't want to be associated directly with the loss.

I don't know - I just get a bad feeling about this for Chicago.
OR Maybe its a decoy to get security in place for a Presidential trip.
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He's not going because he has a lot more pressing issues, the Healthcare debate is going wild, some people wouldn't appreciate the image of him leaving to go help his home city get something many would view as trivial compared the issues he is facing. Also, there isn't as much national pressure to get the olympics like there is in a place like brazil, The olympics have been in the states before, many people outside Chicago probably don't know that chicago has a bid about to be decided.
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I think Obama sending Michelle is a good idea, I never would have expected that. And probably neither did the judges. And she has grown up and lived in Chicago all her life, after all. Of course, this could have nothing to do with healthcare, or thinking Chicago could loose. Remember, Obama is also good friends with the Brazilian President, who will be there. He may not want to create international friction between the US and Brazil up to the vote. He could certainly cause a rift by just being there...

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I think Obama sending Michelle is a good idea, I never would have expected that. And probably neither did the judges. And she has grown up and lived in Chicago all her life, after all. Of course, this could have nothing to do with healthcare, or thinking Chicago could loose. Remember, Obama is also good friends with the Brazilian President, who will be there. He may not want to create international friction between the US and Brazil up to the vote.He could certainly cause a rift by just being there...
He is good friends with Lula? I don't think there is any risk of causing any friction between him and Lula or diplomatically between the U.S/Brazil over appearances or the vote. There are reasons he may or may not go are many but that would be far down the list IMO.

.......Even though I know the IOC is too self important to prohibit it I hope after this vote that heads of state or perhaps all celebs, moguls, elite sportsman will be prohibited from going. It shouldn't be about if your nation can roll out Pele, Lula, Obama, MJ, King X, or tycoon Y to rub elbows with star gazed committeemen. It should be about ONLY the quality and plans of the bid.
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He is good friends with Lula? I don't think there is any risk of causing any friction between him and Lula or diplomatically between the U.S/Brazil over appearances or the vote. There are reasons he may or may not go are many but that would be far down the list IMO.

.......Even though I know the IOC is too self important to prohibit I hope after this vote that heads of state or perhaps all celebs, moguls, elite sportsman will be prohibited from going. It shouldn't get about if your nation can get Pele, Obama, King X, or tycoon Y to run elbows with star gazed committeemen. It should be about ONLY the quality and plans of the bid.

Couldn´t Agree more!!
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I am now ready to predict that Rio will win the 2016 Games. Sending Michelle instead of Barack himself going to Copenhagen for a last-minute appeal, when the race was so close, is the final straw which gives Rio the edge. This snub (although President Obama's attendance was by no means mandatory, it had become expected and Obama was far too late in quelling those expectations for this not to be perceived as a "snub"), after a series of embarrassing recent snafus in Chicago's bid process will give Rio the extra 2 or 3 votes it needs to win. Many voters will feel that Rio just has a stronger committment to a successful 2016 Olympics.

Other factors: Chicago, in a way, is too similar to London. Both are rather starchy, conservative English-speaking big northern cities. Rio has the tropical romance going for it. Chicago's big hope was that a popular President Obama could do some last moment arm twisting. But The Messiah is showing feet of clay and his popularity is currently waning. America is still in Iraq, deepening its involvement in Afghanistan, and has not moved on climate change - consequently not showing the world the hoped for "change" in America's foreign policy.

Finally, Chicago's well-publicized summer murder spree puts Rio's perceived weak spot - its violent crime problem - in perspective.

All of you who don't agree with my reasoning will at least admit that if this were a horse race, Rio would be seen as charging along the rail and Chicago as fading in the stretch. Whether or not you believe Chicago still has a chance depends on how big a lead it had among voters prior to Obama's failure to use the whip.
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We'll talk about on 10.02.09. btw, I think Obama's going.
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.......Even though I know the IOC is too self important to prohibit I hope after this vote that heads of state or perhaps all celebs, moguls, elite sportsman will be prohibited from going. It shouldn't be about if your nation can roll out Pele, Lula, Obama, MJ, King X, or tycoon Y to rub elbows with star gazed committeemen. It should be about ONLY the quality and plans of the bid.
Absolutely, I agree with that as well!
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