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Old September 30th, 2009, 06:19 PM   #5961
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total agree with you. Athens 2004 were great. atlanta was a total mess
It wasn't a mess at all. Yes there were a few problems. The city at the time had like 450,000 people! I think the reason why the IOC picked Atlanta was because they were looking at the finacial power of Atlanta and also the infrastructure. Atlanta had/has more fortune 500 companies than Chicago does. Atlanta also had the worlds largest airport at the time(terminal space). Coca Cola's (HUGE contributor to the olympics.) headquarters are based in Atlanta. Also the people of Atlanta really wanted to host the Olympics.
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Old September 30th, 2009, 06:21 PM   #5962
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He's there for 5 hours. The President of Brazil is there for a week. By the Mirror's weird logic that would tell you all you need to know about Rio's bid, wouldn't it? It would, by their logic, be far more boring than Chicago's bid!
You have no idea what Obama had to put on hold to even make the trip.
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Old September 30th, 2009, 06:32 PM   #5963
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Old September 30th, 2009, 07:09 PM   #5964
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Americans are so arrogant, cost nothing to wait until 2020 or 2024 ... hehe

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Lula arrives in Copenhagen to support the candidacy of Rio for the 2016 Games

President is received by the committee and by athletes and former athletes


President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva arrived on Wednesday in Copenhagen to support the candidacy of Rio de Janeiro in the race to host the 2016 Olympic Games. He posed with the Brazilian flag in the window of the airplane and the airport, was received by the Committee on Jobs, from Pele, and by other athletes and former athletes. Among them, Hydrangea, Janeth, Cesar Cielo, Daiane dos Santos, Isabel Swan, Torben Grael, and Daniel Dias.

Lula is one the strengths of the application carioca. The president is engaged from the start of the campaign. The vote of International Olympic Committee (IOC) will be on Friday. Rio competes with Chicago, Madrid and Tokyo.



In Copenhagen, Lula and Pele pose alongside athletes and members of the Rio 2016



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Old September 30th, 2009, 07:17 PM   #5966
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Old September 30th, 2009, 07:30 PM   #5967
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It wasn't a mess at all. Yes there were a few problems. The city at the time had like 450,000 people! I think the reason why the IOC picked Atlanta was because they were looking at the finacial power of Atlanta and also the infrastructure. Atlanta had/has more fortune 500 companies than Chicago does. Atlanta also had the worlds largest airport at the time(terminal space). Coca Cola's (HUGE contributor to the olympics.) headquarters are based in Atlanta. Also the people of Atlanta really wanted to host the Olympics.
Atlanta has more fortune 500 companies than Chicago does? That's news to me. As of my count, there are 28 Fortune 500 companies in the Chicago metropolitan area as opposed to 11 for Atlanta. Chicago certainly has more financial power than Atlanta. Hartsfield-Jackson may be the largest airport in the world, but O'Hare is second, not to mention, Chicago also has Midway which is a fairly large airport in its own right. And Atlanta's infrastructure and public transportation doesn't come anywhere close to that of Chicago's.

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Old September 30th, 2009, 07:46 PM   #5968
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Rio 2016 protests against critics of the Spanish Olympic Committee

The vice president of the Spanish Olympic Committee. made harsh criticisms in Rio in 2016, describing the city as the WORST design for Olympics 2016



Did he have access to the Report of the IOC on the 04 finalists??

Does he read newspapers and news about the 04 finalists??

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Rio's 2016 bid boosted by IOC evaluation


Rio de Janeiro receive praise from IOC in evaluation report for 2016 Games bid

Rio is competing against Chicago, Madrid and Tokyo to host Summer Olympics
Decision will be made by IOC members in Copenhagen on October 2


(CNN) -- Rio de Janeiro's chances of becoming the first South American city to host the Olympics received a boost when the IOC published its evaluation of the four contenders for the 2016 Games on Wednesday.

Madrid's Mayor Alberto Ruiz Gallardon talks to the media after his city's evaluation report.

1 of 2 Rio is competing with Chicago, Madrid and Tokyo for the right to stage the 2016 Summer Olympics, with the final decision being made in Copenhagen on October 2.

The IOC report is an important indicator ahead of the vote, making a series of judgments on criteria such as venues, financial viability, transportation plans and levels of public support for each bid.

All four bidding cities received a mixture of praise and criticism, but Rio's presentation and documentation was judged to have been of the "very highest quality."

Chicago also received high marks in the evaluation, but the Tokyo bid was criticized for a "relatively low level of public support" in an IOC opinion poll.

Madrid, who narrowly missed out in the race for the 2012 Games won by London, were marked down for problems with their administration.

"Given the current complexity and magnitude of delivering a major multi-sports event such as the Olympic Games, this could result in organizational and financial challenges," the IOC said.

Rio did not escape criticism with the lack of hotel accommodation highlighted, while there were doubts expressed about the financial guarantees of front-runners Chicago.

The Lausanne-based IOC does not rank or grade the cities in the evaluation, but it is considered an important milestone ahead of the vote by its 106 members in the Danish capital.

Carlos Nuzman, president of Rio 2016, was clearly delighted by the evaluation.

"I am very happy that this report confirms the IOC's approval of our project and vision for the Games and that Rio is considered ready to welcome the Olympic and Paralympic Games to South America for the first time."

The evaluation commission's visit to Rio was a great success and this has been highlighted in their description of our documentation and presentations as of 'a very high quality'."

Rio hosted the Pan-American Games in 2007 and will provide key venues for the football's World Cup in 2014.

Tokyo last hosted the Olympics in 1964, while Chicago would be the first American city awarded the Games since Atlanta in 1996. Madrid is hoping to be the second Spanish city after Barcelona in 1992 to win the

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NoGames Chicago did a huge protest against the Games. 6 were arrested!!Obviosly the city doesnt want it!!
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Atlanta has more fortune 500 companies than Chicago does? That's news to me. As of my count, there are 28 Fortune 500 companies in the Chicago metropolitan area as opposed to 11 for Atlanta. Chicago certainly has more financial power than Atlanta. Hartsfield-Jackson may be the largest airport in the world, but O'Hare is second, not to mention, Chicago also has Midway which is a fairly large airport in its own right. And Atlanta's infrastructure and public transportation doesn't come anywhere close to that of Chicago's.

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My post is in past tense. Also I didn't say busiest I said largest. Hartsfield is the worlds busiest airport currently but O'hare was the busiest in 1996. Also Chicago has only ten Fortune 500 companies. Atlanta has eleven. And yes the public transportation does suck in Atlanta but I'm sure the IOC didn't use it.
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Old September 30th, 2009, 07:57 PM   #5971
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There are protests all the time. Tokyo had them. Rio had them. Madrid had them. With that logic, CANCEL THE 2016 OLYMPICS!
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Everybody knows that Rio's has the problems more difficult to resolve between the 4 cities: security, transport, accomodations, financiation.... The only thing about Rio to win is the fact that could be the first city in South America to host the games.
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There are protests all the time. Tokyo had them. Rio had them. Madrid had them. With that logic, CANCEL THE 2016 OLYMPICS!
Rio had? show me where or when?
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Everybody knows that Rio's has the problems more difficult to resolve between the 4 cities: security, transport, accomodations, financiation.... The only thing about Rio to win is the fact that could be the first city in South America to host the games.
Rio is the only won who can safely sya that have finacional support garantee.
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Everybody knows that Rio's has the problems more difficult to resolve between the 4 cities: security, transport, accomodations, financiation.... The only thing about Rio to win is the fact that could be the first city in South America to host the games.


Financial? Rio is the only one that has guaranteed funding.

Up to agree on Transportation (This project is being made)

Accommodations: If today were the Games, the rooms really were insufficient, however has to be taken into account the Olympic Village and Media Village ..... Addition of rooms with cruise ships and new hotels that are being built for 2014 World Cup.

Security: I agree with you, need to improve a lot ... and this has been done with efforts of governments, Federal / State and Municipal (various projects including the use of sports as a means of social inclusion)
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Old September 30th, 2009, 08:26 PM   #5976
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NoGames Chicago did a huge protest against the Games. 6 were arrested!!Obviosly the city doesnt want it!!
Huge protest?? It was just a dozen of people complaining about taxes. ANd how can u say the city doesnt want the games?

COPENHAGEN—Just days before the International Olympic Committee meets here to tap a host for the 2016 Summer Games, Mayor Daley and his Olympic bid are on the ground in Denmark’s capital and talking about the muscle behind its bid.

Chicago 2016 CEO Patrick Ryan said a poll conducted last week shows 72 percent of Chicagoans back bringing the Games to the city while 84 percent of Americans support the Games.

“We’re honored and humbled to have that tremendous support from the people Chicago and the people of the United States. It’s a great feeling, but it’s a great responsibility, too. We take that very seriously,” Ryan told reporters today during an afternoon press conference, clearly hoping his message reached the 100-plus voting IOC members who will select a city here on Friday.
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U.S. Gov't Considers Financial Support For Chicago Olympic Village
Chicago, White House Officials Reportedly Have Met To Discuss Financing Options For Village Chicago and the Obama administration are "exploring ways the federal government can bolster the city's bid for the 2016 Olympic Games with financial support" for the… more..
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Rio's Olympics Quest: Can It Handle the 2016 Games?
By Andrew Downie / São Paulo

If life is fair, then the International Olympic Committee will next week declare that Brazil has been chosen to host the 2016 Summer Olympics and thus become the first South American nation to win one of sports' greatest honors.

The other main contenders are the U.S., Spain and Japan, and they've all hosted the Olympics before. So, Brazilians, with their beaches, sun, and a vibrant economy whose recent performance has shamed many developing-world rivals, believe that Rio de Janiero — and South America — deserves the chance to show what it can do. (See the long history of Olympic politics.)

"It isn't right that the Olympics be held in the U.S. for the eighth time," Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva said recently, in what was just one in a series of typical appeals to IOC delegates. "It's not possible that it be in England in 2012 and in another European country in 2016 ... It's not fair that Brazil, one of the 10 biggest economies in the world for 30 years; that Brazil, one of the world's industrialized countries, a nation that has demonstrated its love for sports; it's not fair that Brazil not be chosen."

Lula has a point, but as the former union leader knows, life isn't always fair. If it were, then Rio, while a front runner, would be in a stronger position to win next Friday's decision and edge out Chicago, Madrid and Tokyo. It can claim experience: Rio hosted the Pan American Games in 2007, an event that should have transformed the still sometimes provincial resort into a more modern, more international and safer city. (See pictures of São Paulo.)

The problem is, it didn't quite do that. Winning the 2007 Pan American Games was considered a big, if sometimes chaotic, success for Rio. To triumph over rival bidder San Antonio, officials used the same argument — that this was Rio's turn. To back that up, they promised to transform the city with a new ring road system, something called a "via light" railway (presumably a light railway), a new state highway and 54 km of new metro lines.

But none of the roads, nary a kilometer of metro line, were built. Authorities also promised to clean up the Guanabara Bay, the fetid body of water whose smell assails visitors driving into town from the international airport. Although hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent, the stench persists and the bay remains a stinking eyesore. (See 100 Olympic athletes to watch.)

Those broken promises are still an issue for those admittedly few Cariocas who care about such things. The Pan Ams might have provided a three-week jamboree for millions of athletes, locals and visitors, but when the closing ceremony ended, the city returned to its usual mess, said Chico Alencar, a Rio Congressman who campaigned for investigations into the massive overspending at the Pan Am Games. "The chronic problems that we have here are the same as they always were," Alencar said. "I want Rio to win the right to host the games, but we need to learn from our past mistakes and the myth of the Pan American Games and all that they didn't leave behind. If we get the Olympics, then all sectors of society need to unite to ensure that there is a social legacy and no overspending." (See pictures from the 2008 Beijing Olympics.)

The Pan Ams reportedly ended up costing many times the original estimate of $177 million, a phenomenal amount given that none of the money went to the promised infrastructure projects. (Some reports had the final costs in Rio close to $2 billion; the costs of the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics, according to Chinese organizers, totaled roughly $2.5 billion.) Some commentators said that was indicative of corruption, but it also suggests serious deficiencies in organization and planning. "Brazil is still learning how to do continuous public policy," Alencar said. "Public works are emergency, localized, specific. There is no strategic planning involved. That was what happened with the Pan Ams."

More worrying still is that lessons appear not to have been learned. Almost two years after Brazil was awarded the right to host the 2014 soccer World Cup, work has yet to start on its 12 stadiums. A proposed bullet train linking São Paulo and Rio is supposed to be operational in time for the tournament, but the official tender has not been issued yet, and even politicians are now admitting it could be late.

Nevertheless, those betting on Rio may take heart from the fact that the IOC appears to have skimmed over the Pan Am Games debacle. Rio's bid, which promises more such transport links and infrastructure projects, was described as "detailed and of a very high quality" by the games committee in its most recent report. Another upside is that Rio has a well-deserved reputation as one of the world's most stunningly beautiful and welcoming cities. The third upside is the one that Lula and Rio officials have been hammering home: that fair is fair; that this is South America's turn. It is a valid argument. South America deserves its chance. But it also needs someone to make sure it keeps its promises.
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Old September 30th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #5978
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The Windy City would face a tough financial challenge in hosting the Olympics, experts say, but it's well prepared with stadiums, infrastructure.


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- With help from hometown heroes like the Obamas, Chicago is aggressively lobbying to host the 2016 Summer Olympics. But making the games profitable would not be an easy win.

Chicago is competing with Tokyo, Madrid, Spain and Rio de Janeiro in wooing the International Olympic Committee in Copenhagen. A decision is expected Friday.

Chicago 2016, the organization leading the effort to host the games, expects a cost of $3.8 billion, including a "rainy day" fund of $450 million in case of unforeseen increases.

But there's good reason to be skeptical of that projection, said Robert Livingstone, producer of GamesBids.com and a leading expert in the Olympic selection process. Host cities routinely overrun their Olympic budgets, he said.

"It's going to be more expensive than we think it's going to be, because it typically is," Livingstone said. "I think every [host] city is going to lose money. It's not an efficient event."

The bidding process alone is costing Chicago about $100 million, even if it doesn't win, Livingstone noted.

An argument often made by host city advocates is that presenting the international spectacle is good for a local economy. But such "trickle-down effects," like benefits to local businesses, are "almost impossible to measure," Livingstone said.

"I think a lot of people look at the Olympics, and they try to justify it by how much money it adds to the economy," said Livingstone. "[But] if you're in this to make money and improve your economy, you're in it for the wrong reasons."

A Chicago 2016 spokesman, who asked not be named, stood by the $3.8 billion projection. "Our numbers are completely feasible thanks to the infrastructure already in place, the number of venues already built and the temporary nature of the majority of those we're planning to build," he wrote, in an e-mail.

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Olympic budgets and preparation differ widely from city to city.

Athens, host of the 2004 summer games, budgeted $8.3 billion, including $5.8 billion to overhaul its infrastructure, with a new subway network, airport, roads, railway and tram system.

"It depends upon what you have to do to host the Olympics," said Andrew Zimbalist, an economics professor at Smith College in Northhampton, Mass., who has written on the subject of sports economics. "Some cities are more equipped at day one [in terms of arenas and other facilities.] "Some cities need to build infrastructure, others don't. Some cities need to build hotels, others don't. Some cities have security they need to build up, others don't."

It also depends on what the cities want to do. While Athens focused on badly-needed infrastructure to accommodate the Olympics, Beijing spent more heavily to turn the 2008 summer games into a lavish spectacle. Beijing spent an estimated $40 billion on infrastructure and on such eye-popping venues such as the Bird's Nest stadium, Zimbalist said.

The stadium isn't even used for sports events anymore; it's being converted into a shopping mall and hotel. Zimbalist said the building of such extravagances is the risk they turn into under-used "white elephants." But he added that Beijing got what it wanted: to present itself to the world as a major player.
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What are you suggesting here? I am gay, and I resent any form of condescension about what gays are supposed to or not supposed to be. Is Rio cosmopolitan enough in their social attitudes to host an international event such as the Olympics? I should hope so.
OMG, people are so defensive around here!!! I'm sick and tired of having to elucidate every single word for individuals who all think the worst of everything we write! What a display of bad faith!

I haven't said a single word that might indicate any sort of offensive about "homossexuality", in fact, you have no idea about my own personal preferences! I could be as well a member of that category.

All I did, and all I wanted to do, was to express my surprise to discover that such an event existed, and to ask others if it was indeed and official IOC event.
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MADRID (AP) — A Madrid 2016 Olympics bid official has reportedly labeled rival Rio de Janeiro's bid the "worst" of the four cities competing for the right to host the games.

Spanish Olympic Committee vice president Jose Maria Odriozola called Rio "the worst bid" according to Spanish news agency Efe on Wednesday.

Odriozola said Rio's standing as one of the favorites for Friday's vote comes down to marketing and sentimentality and security remains an issue.

"At this point, the IOC is not going to risk it and take the Games to a site where it doesn't have total confidence that it can be done well," said Odriozola, who is also president of the Spanish athletics federation.


Madrid is also competing against Chicago and Tokyo for the right to host the 2016 Summer Games.

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Wow, no way one can misconstrue those words. It makes Mayor Daleys words about a World Cup not being the same as an Olympics look like a bouquet of flowers. Those are a few slams that the cities are warned not to engage in during the bid. I wonder if the Madrid contingent feels their chances are small and are peeved that Rio made the charge against them earlier in the process.
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