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View Poll Results: host city of Olympics 2012
London, UK 280 25.23%
Madrid, Spain 342 30.81%
Moscow, Russia 90 8.11%
New York, USA 206 18.56%
Paris, France 192 17.30%
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Old October 1st, 2009, 05:54 AM   #6081
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I don't believe it, they don't have enough hotel space either. Crime's a problem, and transportation.

Yeah, but this is Chicago's only chance. Rio will get plenty.
why are you so sure that Rio will get another chance?

i really believe that if Rio loses this time,Brazil will try to win it with another city,very likely to be São Paulo.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 05:56 AM   #6082
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Onn read the link and you will find you answer.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 05:57 AM   #6083
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Yes, but this is the only time Rio has made it to the final round. Beijing made it to the final round TWICE before getting picked.

2,000 hotel rooms? Is that going to be enough for 500,000-1 million people?
You conveniantly forgot about the 25.000 other hotel rooms in the city alone

And for those who've said thath this is our forth attempt, be aware that it's not, it's our SEVENTH attempt! We almost got it once, but ended up loosing it... to Germany, the 1936 games

Imagine how the world would be if things went out differently??
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Old October 1st, 2009, 05:59 AM   #6084
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Your budget is only less because you say it's less. You haven't done anything yet. Olympic budgets rarely stay on target, ask Beijing, ask Vancouver. Sydney is still paying off their Olympics for the next 20 years.
Okay... You're right. But that includes Chicago also.
And, surprisely, you guys have more oppositors to its project on their own home than anywhere else!

Rio has all three levels of government on its back... So, we're playing very seriously here and we're a not a weak economy.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:00 AM   #6085
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why are you so sure that Rio will get another chance?

i really believe that if Rio loses this time,Brazil will try to win it with another city,very likely to be São Paulo.
Again, Beijing went to the final round twice. Since Rio made it to the final round this time, I would think Brazil would want to stay with the city. It has more expirence than Sao Paulo, the next time they'll be all ready to win if they don't this time.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:01 AM   #6086
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Onn read the link and you will find you answer.
Yes, but how many of those hotels are really decent?
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:03 AM   #6087
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You conveniantly forgot about the 25.000 other hotel rooms in the city alone

And for those who've said thath this is our forth attempt, be aware that it's not, it's our SEVENTH attempt! We almost got it once, but ended up loosing it... to Germany, the 1936 games

Imagine how the world would be if things went out differently??
WW2 would've still happened.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:04 AM   #6088
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Okay... You're right. But that includes Chicago also.
And, surprisely, you guys have more oppositors to its project on their own home than anywhere else!

Rio has all three levels of government on its back... So, we're playing very seriously here and we're a not a weak economy.
The US has a recent history of money making Olympics, however. That's one of the big pulls to Chicago right now in the middle of a recession. Atlanta and Salt Lake City made boats load of money. They were huge economic boons, that more or less paid for themselves.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:07 AM   #6089
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Your budget is only less because you say it's less. You haven't done anything yet. Olympic budgets rarely stay on target, ask Beijing, ask Vancouver. Sydney is still paying off their Olympics for the next 20 years.
And even London, which now stands at more than 13 billion.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:08 AM   #6090
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The US has a recent history of money making Olympics, however. That's one of the big pulls to Chicago right now in the middle of a recession. Atlanta and Salt Lake City made boats load of money. They were huge economic boons, that more or less paid for themselves.
Dont forget Los Angeles in 84, which comparatively was the most profitable games on record
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:08 AM   #6091
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WW2 would've still happened.
Obviously, but that was still a heck of a puclicity to the Third Reich...
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:09 AM   #6092
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Yes, but how many of those hotels are really decent?
Are you kidding me?

These 25.000 are all the legitimate (3, 4 and 5 stars) acommodations, if you want to talk about shanty ones and motels, you can add up to 100.000
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:11 AM   #6093
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And even London, which now stands at more than 13 billion.
Pounds, euros or dollars?? Anyway, that's almost precisely what we're planning to spend, and considering all our urban rennovation strategy... I don't see it as unrealistic at all!
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:12 AM   #6094
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The US has a recent history of money making Olympics, however. That's one of the big pulls to Chicago right now in the middle of a recession. Atlanta and Salt Lake City made boats load of money.
Ok. And Rio is focusing on the long term, just like Barcelona did.
I truly believe that chicago can make games more profitable that the other 3 cities, but... not that interesting to viewers around the world.
The public opinion wants Rio de Janeiro! Face it!
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:15 AM   #6095
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Ok. And Rio is focusing on the long term, just like Barcelona did.
I truly believe that chicago can make games more profitable that the other 3 cities, but... not that interesting to viewers around the world.
The public opinion wants Rio de Janeiro! Face it!
Chicago is one of the greatest cities in the world, no way can Rio throw a better Olympics than Chicago. MAYBE on par...
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:18 AM   #6096
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Pounds, euros or dollars?? Anyway, that's almost precisely what we're planning to spend, and considering all our urban rennovation strategy... I don't see it as unrealistic at all!
For an economy the size of Brazil's? It's a little unrealistic. It could happen, but Brazil would be paying Rio's back quite a bit longer than China is paying back Bejing's.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:19 AM   #6097
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Why people from the states can't understand that that a country like Brazil can succesfully organize the 2016 olympics, do they think thah all over America they are the ony ones that can handle it?
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Ok. And Rio is focusing on the long term, just like Barcelona did.
I truly believe that chicago can make games more profitable that the other 3 cities, but... not that interesting to viewers around the world.
The public opinion wants Rio de Janeiro! Face it!
Too bad public opinion isnt the determining factor.

Those 100 or so people voting will be voting on the strength of the physical bid itself: is it a city capable of handling an influx of 1 million+ people for 3 weeks? Does it have sufficient athletic facilities, modes of transportation, and capable housing? If it doesnt, does it have the means to construct high quality facilities on time and within a reasonable budget? Is the city safe for athletes and spectators? Does the city have a risk of going over budget? Is the city capable of bringing in a profit? Are the Olympic games going to be damaging or helpful for the city (or even the country)? Has a city played host to previous international sporting events, and if so, was it a successful event or not?

And ultimately, does the plan itself look really cool?


I think all 4 of these cities meet the requirements, its up to the voters to determine who will pull it off best.
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Old October 1st, 2009, 06:23 AM   #6099
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Are you kidding me?

These 25.000 are all the legitimate (3, 4 and 5 stars) acommodations, if you want to talk about shanty ones and motels, you can add up to 100.000
Low budget travellers, almost the majority on olympic events, don't even look for posh accommodations, which we can provide 100% by 2016.
But we can not forget all types of accomodations, like host families...
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Why people from the states can't understand that that a country like Brazil can succesfully organize the 2016 olympics, do they think thah all over America they are the ony ones that can handle it?
Brazil could probably organize it (by the way, Chicago's bid also has support on all three levels of government too), but it's going to cost them.
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