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View Poll Results: host city of Olympics 2012
London, UK 280 25.23%
Madrid, Spain 342 30.81%
Moscow, Russia 90 8.11%
New York, USA 206 18.56%
Paris, France 192 17.30%
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Old May 4th, 2005, 03:27 AM   #841
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LONDON - 2012
PARIS - 2016
INDIA(City not finalised) -2020
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Old May 4th, 2005, 05:12 AM   #842
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11-10 Paris
5-4 London
7-1 Madrid
8-1 New York
20-1 Moscow
i'm not familiar with odds, so what does this ranking mean exactly ? it seems that london has strenghten its odd and is now ahead of paris ? am i wrong ?
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Old May 4th, 2005, 10:14 AM   #843
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LONDON - 2012
PARIS - 2016
INDIA(City not finalised) -2020
IMO it shud be LONDON 2012, i dont think europe will get 2016 eventhough i think paris in some way do deserve the games and would also stage a fantastic games, 2016/2020 should go to buenos aires or cape town maybe toronto but they staging 2010, otherwise the next olympic games in asia should go to india i think that perhaps new york city should host 2016 unless buenos aires gain strong support, if an african bid doesnt win the first time i think it would win the second time round,unless the IOC really feel the need to go to africa!!
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Old May 5th, 2005, 12:45 PM   #844
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i'm not familiar with odds, so what does this ranking mean exactly ? it seems that london has strenghten its odd and is now ahead of paris ? am i wrong ?
It means paris is the favourite (by quite a bit) followed by London which appears to be catching up (albeit at a minute rate ), and Moscow the outsider.
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Old May 5th, 2005, 04:11 PM   #845
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i'm not familiar with odds, so what does this ranking mean exactly ? it seems that london has strenghten its odd and is now ahead of paris ? am i wrong ?
Yes, those odds go from bookies favorites (top) to their least favorites bottom!

Paris is currently favorite....but that just a Betting Companys opinion...they look at the news and things like that to see how the bid is going...and but the odds accordingly!

Paris is 11/10...meaning you have to place a bet of £10 just to win £1...you see...the Bookies have raised the odd so much as they're sure they will win and dont want to be paying out much!
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Old May 5th, 2005, 06:09 PM   #846
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ok thanx for this explanation guys ! i understand better now
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Old May 6th, 2005, 04:40 AM   #847
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Old May 6th, 2005, 07:36 PM   #848
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man, the London Logo really sucks, I think Moscow has to receive the chance or Madrid (very nice logo)
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Old May 7th, 2005, 02:37 PM   #849
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HOW THE IOC will rate the olympic bids.

"We believe Paris and London will host an excellent olympic games,....New York and Madrid have the potential to host a very good olympic games.....moscow will host a good olympic games..."
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Old May 7th, 2005, 02:40 PM   #850
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Old May 9th, 2005, 02:52 PM   #851
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GO MADRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old May 10th, 2005, 10:01 PM   #852
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what do all you people think? is this a true reflection? what do u agree with? what would you have given to each city?
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Old May 10th, 2005, 10:06 PM   #853
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Here’s how we set up the categories in the Power Index, plus more detailed explanations on the rankings in each category:

Accommodation: Quantity, quality and value for money.

London, New York and Paris may have some of the world’s best hotels, but they are all expensive, while lower-priced accoms are rather ordinary. London and Paris don’t have the large hotels needed for major Olympics meetings. Madrid offers greater value but fewer rooms. Moscow offers fewer rooms and high rates.

Ambiance: Is the city comfortable, tourist-friendly, a pleasure to visit?

Paris gets the first 10 in this category, marginally superior to New York and London. Madrid is a great city that is just not as big or developed as its main rivals. Moscow is an interesting place to visit but a challenge to negotiate and dear on the pocket book, given the return on the spend.

Bid Operation: Leadership, strategy and public relations:

New York and Paris are tied in the category with scores of 8, while London scores a seven. All have strong leaders. London, though lurching through a change at the top a year ago, has the only Olympian leading a bid. Paris has played a cool and quiet strategy in its international campaign, as has New York City which actually has been preparing for this bid for 10 years.

Madrid has tried to exploit its hosting of events in Olympic sports but still needs help with international public relations and has yet to create a compelling reason for the Games to come to Spain.

London has the most engaged promotional and p-r program and a big story to tell. Moscow has run a solid campaign but doesn’t convince that 2012 belongs in Russia.

Games Cost and Finance: The bill for operating the Olympics and the infrastructure needed, unusual finance risks. Higher scores indicate lower costs.

Madrid offers the most economical plan for the Games with a bill of just over $1.8 billion for Olympics-related construction, while London comes in seven times higher, the lowest score in the infrastructure category.

New York City has a $250 million guarantee for the financing of the games. All other bids come with guarantees against any size shortfall.

Last Games in the Country: Years since last summer or winter Olympics. Higher the score, the longer the games. Some credit could be given for recent Olympic bids.

If this were the one criteria, London would win, having last hosted an Olympics in 1948. New York is the lowest score, the result of Salt Lake City only three years past. Paris and Madrid saw Olympics in their countries in 1992, while Moscow’s gap of 25 years is the longest after London’s.

England, France, Russia, Spain and the U.S. all have had recent Olympic bids, but two of the French bids came from Paris, including 2008, which could be slight plus for 2012.

Legacy: Impact of the Olympics in a city; sustainable venues

The London plan for regeneration of the Lower Lea Valley in the city’s east is the most ambitious legacy proposed by the 2012 cities, while Olympic Villages in New York and Paris would leave sizeable housing legacies. New York and London, which have a need for world-class Olympic sports venues, would benefit from the 2012 Games, as would Madrid. Moscow’s legacy potential is interesting: the 2012 Games would renew 1980 Olympic venues for a new generation of athletes.

Marketing: The size and impact of marketing programs

New York City’s marketing revenue forecast well in excess of $1 billion, plus its role as the world’s dominant communications and business center, makes it a behemoth among similar giants. London and Paris are close behind New York City. Madrid can’t offer the same media exposure, the same for Moscow, and as smaller markets neither city can provide the same revenue upside as their bigger rivals.

Public Support: Ranking based on bid book information.

Madrid and Moscow get 9s with surveys showing support for the Olympics near the 90% mark. In the middle are Paris and London, while New York City’s 6 is the lowest.

Security: Reputation and quality of security, perceptions of risk.

Paris may not be immune to the terrorist violence that has struck Madrid, Moscow and New York City in recent years, but seems to have a lower profile for attack, hence a higher ranking. London has been spared recent attacks, but threats lurk domestically and internationally. All five have hosted major international events without incident since 9/11.

Transportation: Ease of travel, multiple transport options, airports, quality of public transit, taxis.

Paris and New York City share the top spot. London is working to upgrade its system. Madrid offers a superior system and great airport proximity. Moscow’s public transit is forbidding to foreigners and $100 for car fare to the airport is the sort of outrageous expense Moscow offers its guests. Paris has the best public transit links to the airport, followed by London and Madrid.

Venues and Overall Plan: The number of venues to build, Olympic Village, compactness.

Moscow is ahead of the rest with a venue infrastructure in place from the 1980 Olympics, winning the city a 9 in the Power Index. Paris is next with its Stade de France and plans to build a series of temporary venues in compact clusters. London’s proposed Olympic Park with stadium, village and new arenas is the biggest project of all five cities.

All the cities have selected central locations for Olympic Villages. All the cities except Moscow would have football preliminaries in other parts of the country. Only Moscow and New York City will have sailing in the city limits.

Madrid’s Olympic plan calls for three main clusters of venues with the concentration in the east of the city near the airport.

For New York City a big question mark looms over its planned Olympic Stadium that should be answered by early June. If the stadium plans fail to pass muster in New York City before the IOC vote, the U.S. bid could be history.
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what do all you people think? is this a true reflection? what do u agree with? what would you have given to each city?

Give London a 9 for Puplic support...and thats about right!


London has got a better legacy than the rest IMO, and that might tip the balance....it doesnt just want the games for the sake of having the games
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Old May 10th, 2005, 10:40 PM   #855
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full of negative stereotype against moscow.

first of all - security in moscow is much better than anywhere else. our special services have much more experience than other other countries.

second. wth the transportation of moscow have less points than new york? at least on same level as london, but most probably higher.

three. Legacy - 6 for Moscow?

four. Ambience - 5? based on what?

five. Marketing - 5? again, why, based on what? same as Madrid. this two points is heavly stereotyped.

six. Accomodation. again. why is so low for Moscow?

seven. why do high cost of games adding more points? I think it should be directly back.
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Old May 10th, 2005, 10:43 PM   #856
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Oh yeah.....London should have a 10 for transportation!
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Old May 10th, 2005, 10:51 PM   #857
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Coth there is no such thing as russophobia. Around the rings is an indepedent website that analyses the bidding process. Gamesbids.com also published their latest ranking and Moscow was last.

On each of your points

1) Russian special forces have no more experience than any of the other bidding cities. If you really want to get into a competition over it, i would hazard a guess London has experienced terrorism more than any other city. But Paris, Madrid, New York, London and moscow have all experienced terrorism.

2) It will be based on the transportation plan in the bid, so moscows river plan might not be considered that great.

3) The legacy element for moscow is not that strong and in comparison to other cities it certainly doesn't measure up.

4) I think they might be referring to the atmosphere in each city, the 'x' factor.

5) Remember the IOC placed moscow last as well and if you read their report these are all things they criticised moscow for.

6) It could be that the other cities have a greater number of high class hotels. Also maybe the spread of different class of hotels could be better in other cities.

7) They are concerned about how moscow is going to finance the games and the financial projections moscow has used.

Seriously Coth there is no such thing as russophobia.
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Old May 10th, 2005, 11:10 PM   #858
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1) Russia have more experience. The last years of terrorism showed it. British MI5 have absolutely no experience in terrorism.

2) It is Venues Plans that you talking about. Moscow ahead of anyone else. However I think this one is overestimated.

3) based on what?

4) i know what it is referring to. but again, based on what?

5) as well as said that moscow is not an outsider. again, based on what?

6) hotels is not a problem in moscow by 2012. as for high class, it is not a problem right now.

7) moscow have no money problems. even moscow have larger city budged than london.

moscow have heavy negative stereotype. that's the only problem with it.
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" 1)British MI5 have absolutely no experience in terrorism. "

Does willjfox visit the sport section?....hes better at this stuff than me!

"5) as well as said that moscow is not an outsider. again, based on what?"

Bookie odds?

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11-10 Paris
5-4 London
7-1 Madrid
8-1 New York
20-1 Moscow
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The initial IOC report which ranked Moscow last.

MI5 have no experience of terrorism!!!!! lol. Ever heard of the IRA?
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