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View Poll Results: host city of Olympics 2012
London, UK 280 25.23%
Madrid, Spain 342 30.81%
Moscow, Russia 90 8.11%
New York, USA 206 18.56%
Paris, France 192 17.30%
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 12:15 AM   #1341
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Yep, but sadly its not just a "few ignorant idiots who tend to gather in football stadiums" is it?

Racial intergreation isnt Spains strong point. You expect those idiots who gather at, lets say the Bernebeu (Real MADRIDS stadium) wont try and get tickets for Olympic competitions?

The fact is, it hasnt happened once in a few years, it happens week in week out in Spain. Players like Shaun Wright Phillips (linked with Real Madrid) uttered his complete desire not to perform in Spain ever again until something is done about it.
every week¿??¿?¿¿ there was just 2 or 3 incidents in all the season and real madrid only lead one of those (well it wasn't real madrid. it was about 1000 nazi supporters)
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 12:22 AM   #1342
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No thats saying who said it, if they just reported Sebastian Coe, people would think ... huh, who's that? and not bother reading or taking notice of it.

Coth, Its called good reporting
Unfortunately. It is preconception. Ie biasing.
It is not first BBC article about 2012. They have many preconception articles.

I don't say it is wrong. UK's media drawing in high London, French - Paris, US - New York, Spanish - Madrid, Russia - Moscow and other cities in bad. It is normal. Everyone want to see their city as Olympic hoster.

Btw. Talking about - who want where.

Today's article by Gamesbids.
85% of Russians support Moscow bid.
81% of French support Paris bid.
68% of British support London bid.
57% of Spaniards support Madrid bid.
44% of US citizens support New York.
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 12:25 AM   #1343
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¿??¿?¿¿ I wish they put those upside down question marks on British keyboards.
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 12:27 AM   #1344
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Dont get it do you....Just because we're posting negative news from a different country....which did involve us in a huge way....it doesnt make it bias....not one bit!

As birminghamculture said

Its just good reporting
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 12:27 AM   #1345
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Every BBC article is fair, highlighting each city when its spoken about.

I think you're just knitpicking Coth.

68% - Not bad, use to be alot lower.

The UK, Spain and America are use to hosting major sporting competitons week in week out so its no suprise that when the chance of a major event comes around the public of these 3 countries lack the emotion and support the other 2 get.

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Old June 2nd, 2005, 12:36 AM   #1346
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Its not biasing its reporting what the bid leader of London 2012 is on record saying. Bias would be if it said London is the best bid above all else especially Madrids.

The BBC is not a biased organisation, I'll repeat again to foreigners who never understand this, BY LAW the BBC has to remain impartial and unbiased otherwise it is breaking its Royal Charter.

So I will say again Coth please show me an article on BBC online in which is obviously biased. But also remember you only read BBC online you never get to see or hear the huge quantity of programmes the BBC produces everyday.
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 01:00 AM   #1347
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umm yes London for 2012 ! bye
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 01:03 AM   #1348
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it is not the problem to see which city gets support of bbc
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...12/default.stm

those two is away enough to call them preconception. preconception is biasing.
of course compared to fox news bbc is unbiased

but no one media in the world is unbiased
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 01:11 AM   #1349
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Coth, what part of BY LAW the BBC is not allowed to be biased and unimpartial. You can think what you like but it doesn't make it true. Reflecting your audience is not bias. When the overwhelming majority of readers are british why would the BBC produce detail articles on Moscow? Thats not bias.

You need to look up the definition of bias.
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 01:26 AM   #1350
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bias
- An unfair act.

BBC drawing London in light and other in dark.

btw, I suppose you can't reading BBC Russia... well translate using online translators... you will not find there at least bases of professional media... just a yellow press...
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 01:36 AM   #1351
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Coth you're unbelievable, you no how silly your argument is.

Madrid was in bad light and the London bid was emphizing it, trying to help out Madrid's bid by asking them to respond and make a formal apology so it didnt scupper thier chances of winning the olympics. whats it got to do with the BBC?
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 01:50 AM   #1352
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can someone post some decent renderings of the paris 2012 venues, at decent quality the ones on the paris 2012 website are small and some other can only be accessed by the press, so any paris 2012 renderings please post here
I have only few.

Beach volley


Velodrome


Shooting Center


Aquatic Center


Stade de France


Multisports arenas


Longchamps Hippodrome


Super Dome


Olympic village


Media Center near Stade de France
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 01:57 AM   #1353
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bias
- An unfair act.

BBC drawing London in light and other in dark.

btw, I suppose you can't reading BBC Russia... well translate using online translators... you will not find there at least bases of professional media... just a yellow press...
shut up Coth you are talking bollocks! Er is that biased?
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 02:00 AM   #1354
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I doubt the constitution will make much difference personally.

I find the French designs less inspiring than the Moscow and London designs I have seen. Though I can never be sure what the aquatic centre will really be like. In their favour though are being hte "safe" option, an iconic possition for the beach volleyball, and the stadium is pretty much as it would be in the games.
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 03:16 AM   #1355
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 09:03 AM   #1356
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Coth you're unbelievable, you no how silly your argument is.
Is it only you can say?

I don't like such black methods. That I wanted to say.
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 10:44 AM   #1357
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[QUOTE=birminghamculture]Every BBC article is fair, ...

@birminghamculture

Talking about being fair, what do you have to say about Willo's reply on your "fair" comments? What makes you so sure that Spain is such a racist country when it has suffered a dramatic terrorism attack while still legalizing thousands of Muslims and opening new mosques almost every where...? In fact, the vast majority of Spaniards condemns racism and treat immigrants in such a way that every year over 600'000 of them are finding in that country a new home where to start a new descent life (although it is not always easy for them). Despite this very sad terrorism attack committed on the name of Allah, Muslims were not chased like witches like it happened in some places in the USA after 9/11. The people of Madrid and in the rest of the nation has proven in several massive demonstrations to be extremely mature as they never mixed what happened in 3/11 with the Islamic religion and with the origin of these terrorists as they know that we cannot condemn a whole religion or nation on acts that a few fanatics committed on behalf of Allah... So if you want to be fair in your comments you shouldn't only focus on negative aspects of other countries as we all know that no one country is perfect and that includes yours as well.
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 10:55 AM   #1358
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No one is saying all Spaniards are racist, just there was a problem in Spanish football.

But Coth you didn't post the full definition of bias

from dictionary.com "An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice."

is that what you are suggesting the BBC is, full of prejudice?
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 10:58 AM   #1359
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ok, i did used inccorect word, not preconception, but prejudice.

and yes it is.
London's media stressing on troubles of opponent.
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 11:44 AM   #1360
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So many major roads running near to Olympic sites must be a security risk in this day and age.

I think these pictures show why London has the X-factor over Paris.
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