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View Poll Results: host city of Olympics 2012
London, UK 280 25.23%
Madrid, Spain 342 30.81%
Moscow, Russia 90 8.11%
New York, USA 206 18.56%
Paris, France 192 17.30%
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Old June 6th, 2005, 04:48 PM   #1601
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The report was an anti-climax it simply stated what we all knew already (well those who took this seriously).

The report has only confirmed who is in 3rd place

1. Paris
2. London
3. Madrid
4 New York
5. Moscow


I want Coth to reappear so I can go back and quote all the ridiculous things he has said about Moscow and other cities.

I also want some Spanish forumers to have the balls to post who slate London as a city and one that they think is barely above Ulaan Baator in its ability to host a games.

Come on, if you think you're hard enough.
...Calm Down, its only an Olympics lol

Interesting to see the cities favourite to win (Paris, London and NY) have the lowest support (and the most cynicism)...obviously it isnt that big a deal to them?!
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Old June 6th, 2005, 04:51 PM   #1602
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As for tactical voting..it'll be New York that benefits as the knocked out European Cities vote for NY, in an attempt to have a chance to grab the 2016 Olympics. Oh the fun of politics....
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:02 PM   #1603
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piece of news

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Paris Leading Bid to Host 2012 Olympics
By STEPHEN WILSON, AP Sports Writer

LONDON - Exactly a month before the vote, front-runner Paris received the best overall review Monday in an IOC evaluation of the five cities bidding for the 2012 Olympics.
The International Olympic Committee issued a 123-page report evaluating the bids of Paris, London, New York, Madrid and Moscow — the most competitive and glamorous field in Olympic bid history.

London, Madrid and New York also got positive ratings, while long-shot Moscow came in for criticism.

The report did not rank the cities, but offered an insight into the strength and weaknesses of each bid. It focused on technical issues such as venues, financing, transport plans, accommodations, security and public and government support.

The findings will serve as a guide for the 117 eligible IOC voting members who will cast secret ballots in Singapore on July 6. However, the vote also will take into account geopolitical and other issues not covered by the report.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:07 PM   #1604
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I think the media likes to oversimplify things, I would only put Paris slightly ahead in terms of what was in the report.

However New York clearly is not in the same category as London and Madrid.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:11 PM   #1605
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Exciting battle...

from BBC Sport Today (6 june)

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London and Paris given 2012 boost

Latest betting odds
1-4 Paris
11-4 London
12-1 New York
33-1 Madrid
100-1 Moscow
Odds: William Hill
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Guide to Olympic rivals
London and Paris have been praised for their "high-quality" bids to stage the 2012 Olympic Games in a crucial inspection report published on Monday.
The International Olympic Committee evaluation commission believes London can deliver promises on venues, transport, the environment and legacy.

Paris, favourite of the five candidates to win, won a glowing endorsement.

New York and Madrid earned good marks, but Moscow was criticised for a lack of detailed planning.

The 123-page report does not specifically rank or grade cities, but could influence the 117 IOC members when they vote on a host city at a special meeting in Singapore on 6 July.

Paris appears to have emerged as front-runner, scoring highly for its accommodation, transport and budget.

Officials from all five candidate cities are still studying full details of the report, which was released at 1330 BST.

It says that a public opinion poll commissioned by the IOC shows 68% of people in London and 70% throughout the country supported London's bid.

Paris had 85% support in its own capital and 79% throughout France in the November poll.

We are delighted - a lot of hard work has paid off

Lord Coe, London bid leader
Accommodation and transport plans for the Games were praised, but the commission said there were no signs of French officials being complacent.

The report states that a London Games would cost £2.36 billion and "the budget is reasonable and achievable".

But some reservations were expressed about the New York, Madrid and Moscow bids.

New York was criticised for a lack of progress with its Olympic Stadium plans, Moscow had problems with its accommodation, security and planning, while Madrid needed more hotel rooms close to the Games.

However, the Spanish bid earned praise for its integrated transport and infrastructure, plus its pledge to hold the "greenest ever" Olympics.

Bookmakers reacted by cutting London and New York's odds, but Paris remain clear odds-on favourites to win the vote.

London found favour with the legacy which a successful Games would leave behind, particularly in the east end, where much of the bid is centred.

The IOC did note that "careful planning would be required to ensure that all facilities are completed on time."

London bid leader Lord Coe said his team were satisfied at the commission's conclusions on factors previously questioned by the IOC, including the location of venues, the ability to handle transport demands, and levels of public and government support.

I'm genuinely excited about the Olympic bid, I think it would be fantastic for this country

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"I think that we are in a position now to continue to build on the momentum that this bid has enjoyed," he said.

"We are in good shape to take the battle even harder and further towards our goal of bringing the Olympic Games to London in 2012."

Minister for Culture, Media and Sport Tessa Jowell added: "I'm enormously proud of the bid's progress - it's strong because we acted so quickly on the content of last year's report.

"We weren't complacent then and we won't be now. Our foot is firmly on the accelerator."

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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:11 PM   #1606
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Where are all the Spanish forumers now, the ones who doubted London''s ability to run a bath let alone an olympic games.

The ones who think London is the worst city in the world and certainly one that could never stand up to the might of Benidorm.
I DON´T THINK THAT LONDON IS THE WORST CITY IN THE WORLD , BUT .........OBVIOSLY , NOT THE BEST
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:14 PM   #1607
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They are the old odds.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:17 PM   #1608
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Having read all the reports looks like the biggest effect the report has had, is to remove Moscow from the running and strengthen Paris' positon to win in Singapore.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:26 PM   #1609
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Pretty unsurprising stuff really. If London wants this bid we better find some cunning plan to **** up Paris's bid. Maybe we should start spreading rumours of concrete cancer in their main stadium, or subsidance.

Seems a bit shitethough a country haing so many of the prizd events in hte same stadium. share and share alike I say. London has the advantage of strong paralympic bid, and ateletes (we are around top in the world for paralympics), and the legacy of regeneration.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:28 PM   #1610
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Its amazing really to think Paris has no faults, and personally I cant see the IOC voting against Paris for the 3rd time in a row.

Yet look at the Athens bid, that alone should show that any of these 5 cities can still win it.

All I ask for, is that if London, Paris and NYC are level they give it to the people. I dont want to see a Olympics where the stadiums are half empty. Thats where I think London could gain the crucial votes.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:30 PM   #1611
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Unfortunately we suffer from some people not being so infavour in London (I put that down to people being stingy lol)
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:31 PM   #1612
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But again the Paris report seems to be more positive about Paris' paralympic commitment than London's?
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:41 PM   #1613
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Madrid:
The Olympic Village would be adjacent to the Olympic stadium, near to the airport and 4 km from the city centre.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 05:54 PM   #1614
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Definitively, we´ve seen different reports. London is not in second place, since CIO have noticed that London "could have problems to finish all facilities in time". Meanwhile Madrid "have improved seriously its accomodation features, signed as the main lack in the visit during february".

As far as I can see, Paris is therefore in first position, while London and Madrid are in a second row, never one over the other, but in similar conditions to host the games. Of course, the news posted comes from BBC, and it can´t be impartial, but the facts are just as they are, not as BBC wants them to be.

NY and Moscow probably have no possibilities at this moment to win the bid in Singapur....

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Definitively, we´ve seen different reports. London is not in second place, since CIO have noticed that London "could have problems to finish all facilities in time". Meanwhile Madrid "have improved seriously its accomodation features, signed as the main lack in the visit during february".

As far as I can see, Paris is therefore in first position, while London and Madrid are in a second row, never one over the other, but in similar conditions to host the games. Of course, the news posted comes from BBC, and it can´t be impartial, but the facts are just as they are, not as BBC wants them to be.

NY and Moscow probably have no possibilities at this moment to win the bid in Singapur....
Now, why cant you be bothered to take in what the press and media are saying?
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OK Torete has there been any criticism of Madrid's bid in the Spanish media and in the newspaper?
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si Madrid supera a Londres en las votaciones, quedando en juego con Paris, la clara favorita, ya se pueden ir despidiendo porque los votos de los angloparlantes e hispanoparlantes van para Madrid.

Si Londres se cae Madrid se lleva los juegos.
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OK Torete has there been any criticism of Madrid's bid in the Spanish media and in the newspaper?

NEVER!
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Old June 6th, 2005, 06:32 PM   #1619
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Therefore I would trust the BBC much more as when it reports it reports negatives as well as positives.

All the worlds news agencies and media apart from Spain seem to be reporting Paris ahead or marginally ahead of London, American media seem to suggest that NYC is 3rd, but others say Madrid is 3rd, it seems on balance that Madrid is 3rd, then NYC and far out in the left field Moscow.
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Old June 6th, 2005, 06:44 PM   #1620
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well, everybody knows about press, never impartial, the spanish, english, french, american, russian, italian...wherever you go, so depending on where you are, the report is favourable to one or another city.
what i read in the report is just that the only one with real problems to host the games is moskow, then new york, with the problem about the site for the stadium.
then about paris, madrid and london, paris is the only one without any 'black' point.
london could have a problem to finish all facilities in time, and madrid has improve the only point suggested in february, the accomodation, but thinking about the new projects in works for hotels in madrid, it should be no problem in july.
anyway, against 'some' news, from 'some' forumers, madrid is the city with the biggest support, not only in the city, just spain.
so, nothig is decided.
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