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Old February 18th, 2014, 10:21 PM   #2281
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New services AVE/TGV France<->Spain from March 31 till July 5

Confirmed by inner sources (exception made of improbable last second changes), here are the two new additions and the change (one) in the timetable.

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Change in current service:

AVE 9735 Toulouse Matabiau 15:05-Barcelona Sants 18:45

New services:

TGV 9704 Barcelona Sants 13:20-Paris Gare de Lyon 19:53

TGV 9717 Paris Gare de Lyon 16:07-Barcelona Sants 22:48

The rest of services remain unchanged. No other new destinations or services until at least July 5.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #2282
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Those seem to be reasonable time slots. At what time did Toulouse-Barcelona service leave before?
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Old February 19th, 2014, 12:00 AM   #2283
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Those seem to be reasonable time slots. At what time did Toulouse-Barcelona service leave before?
Later, much later:

AVE 9735 Toulouse Matabiau 20:24-Barcelona Sants 23:26 (won“t run from March 31 on).

This timetable didn“t allow any mid and long-distance connections at Barcelona.

And in case of delay, it could even be too late to take the metro, and most commuter connections are gone by then.

That, from the point of view of a Spaniard, since from the point of view of a French, that“s waaay too late , and a possible source of trouble if you haven“t booked a hotel room...
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Old February 19th, 2014, 12:13 AM   #2284
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DB apparently gives up on the planned relation to London :

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article...40218?irpc=932

It says the plan has been killed by the late delivery of new trains by Siemens,
but one can be reasonably sure that the inflexibility of UK regarding border
controls also played a role... Now curious to see what Eurostar will decide.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 12:13 AM   #2285
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Oh, no doubt the new timetable is much, much better. They must not have thought clearly before coming up with the previous one...
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Old February 19th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #2286
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Oh, no doubt the new timetable is much, much better. They must not have thought clearly before coming up with the previous one...
The current timetable of the AVE Toulouse-Barcelona seems to have been thought for Barcelonians who had to spend the day in Toulouse and then get back.

The new timetable won“t allow that, but it will be much better for connections in Barcelona to other places, and for the French passengers too, of course.

The only bad side to it is that the new travel time will be much longer than the current one (3h40min vs the current 3h02min).

The AVE Barcelona-Toulouse, instead, keeps the good travel time and the current timetable.
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The only bad side to it is that the new travel time will be much longer than the current one (3h40min vs the current 3h02min).
I didn't notice that... What is the reason for that? A lot more intermediate stations or is the train simply waiting for 20 min somewhere in France?
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Slots, I“ve been told...
But I wonder if it would call at Narbonne (now it skips it through the by-pass and runs straight from Perpignan to Carcassonne)...
That would be an explanation, but...
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New services AVE/TGV France<->Spain from March 31 till July 5

Spain -> France

TGV 9702 Barcelona Sants 09:20 - Girona 10:01 - Figueres Vilafant 10:18 - Perpignan 10:51 - Narbonne 11:28 - Montpellier Saint Roch 12:25 - Nīmes 12:52 - Valence TGV 13:41 - Paris Gare de Lyon 15:53 Coupled with TGV 6062 from Perpignan till Paris. Daily.

AVE 9720 Barcelona Sants 10:24 - Girona 11:03 - Figueres Vilafant 11:20 - Perpignan 11:48 - Carcassonne 12:49 - Toulouse Matabiau 13:31 Daily.

TGV 9704 Barcelona Sants 13:20 - Girona 14:01 - Figueres Vilafant 14:18 - Perpignan 14:51 - Narbonne 15:27 - Montpellier Saint Roch16:24 - Nīmes 16:52 - Valence TGV 17:41 - Paris Gare de Lyon 19:53 NEW! Daily.

TGV 9706 Barcelona Sants 16:20 - Girona 17:01 - Figueres Vilafant 17:18 - Perpignan 17:51 - Narbonne 18:27 - Béziers 18:44 - Montpellier Saint Roch 19:24 - Nīmes 19:52 - Paris Gare de Lyon 22:45 Coupled with TGV 6068 from Perpignan till Paris. Daily.

AVE 9738 Barcelona Sants 17:25 - Girona 18:04 - Figueres Vilafant 18:21 - Perpignan 18:51 - Narbonne 19:27 - Montpellier Saint Roch 20:28 - Nīmes 20:59 - Valence TGV 21:48 - Lyon Part-Dieu 22:24 Daily.

AVE 9724 Madrid Atocha 15:40 - Barcelona Sants 18:26 - Girona 19:05 - Figueres Vilafant 19:22 - Perpignan 19:52 - Béziers 20:42 - Montpellier Saint Roch 21:28 - Nīmes 21:56 - Avignon TGV 22:23 - Aix en Provence TGV 22:47 - Marseille Saint Charles 22:58 Daily.



France -> Spain

AVE 9731 Marseille Saint Charles 07:10 - Aix en Provence TGV 07:24 - Avignon TGV 07:46 - Nīmes 08:09 - Montpellier Saint Roch 08:37 - Béziers 09:18 - Perpignan 10:07 - Figueres Vilafant 10:34 - Girona 10:49 - Barcelona Sants 11:40 - Madrid Atocha 14:13 Daily.

AVE 9741 Lyon Part-Dieu 07:36 - Valence TGV 08:14 - Nīmes 09:05 - Montpellier Saint Roch 09:35 - Narbonne 10:34 - Perpignan 11:09 - Figueres Vilafant 11:36 - Girona 11:51 - Barcelona Sants 12:29 Daily.

TGV 9711 Paris Gare de Lyon 07:15 - Nīmes 10:09 - Montpellier Saint Roch 10:37 - Narbonne 11:35 - Perpignan 12:13 - Figueres Vilafant 12:40 - Girona 13.01 - Barcelona Sants 13:40 Coupled with TGV 6061 from Paris till Perpignan. Daily.

AVE 9735 Toulouse Matabiau 15:05 - Carcassonne 15:xx - Perpignan 16:xx - Figueres Vilafant 17:52 - Girona 18:07 - Barcelona Sants 18:45 NEW! Daily.

TGV 9715 Paris Gare de Lyon 14:07 - Valence TGV 16:21 - Nīmes 17:09 - Montpellier Saint Roch 17:37 - Narbonne 18:35 - Perpignan 19:13 - Figueres Vilafant 19:45 - Girona 20:01 - Barcelona Sants 20:40 Coupled with TGV 6065 from Paris till Perpignan. Daily.

TGV 9717 Paris Gare de Lyon 16:07 - Valence TGV 18:21 - Nīmes 19:09 - Montpellier Saint Roch 19:37 - Sčte 20:01 - Agde 20:17 - Béziers 20:31 - Narbonne 20:47- Perpignan 21:25 - Figueres Vilafant 21:53 - Girona 22:09 - Barcelona Sants 22:48 NEW! Daily. Sčte and Agde served.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 02:42 PM   #2290
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DB’s London – Frankfurt plan in doubt again
19 Feb 2014

EUROPE: Deutsche Bahn has cast further doubt on the introduction of direct high speed services between Germany and London, citing authorisation delays to its fleet of Class 407 Velaro D high speed trainsets now being delivered by Siemens.

At a press launch on February 18 marking the introduction of the Class 407 trains into traffic on domestic services in Germany, Andreas Busemann, Head of Production at DB Fernverkehr, told the Reuters news agency that ‘we have not entirely given up the goal of going to London. But for now we are concentrating on going to Brussels and Paris. Once that is done we will think about whether, how and when we will go to London.’

Busemann added that the process to approve the operation of the multi-system Class 407s in France and Belgium had proved much more difficult than anticipated, and ‘the business environment has changed’ with higher track access charges in France and ‘tough competition’.

A DB spokesman told Railway Gazette International that the company ‘is still planning to operate a service from Germany to London. Based on current Siemens estimates, we do not think that the trains will be ready for multiple working in Belgium and France before 2016. This is a prerequisite to move forward with our planning for the London service.’

DB displayed a Class 406 high speed trainset at London’s St Pancras International terminus in October 2010. At that time, DB Chairman Rüdiger Grube said that he expected Frankfurt – London services to launch in 2013. Since then the timescale has regularly slipped, and there has been no word on how DB might deal with the cost and complexity of the border controls required for operation to the UK.
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I've been expecting this for a while, it really doesn't make sense for DB to commit to dates now when they can sit back and see how Eurostar's new services pan out first.

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Old February 23rd, 2014, 02:30 PM   #2292
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Also, let Eurostar do the groundwork on border controls, particularly with through running at Brussels Midi.
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Also, let Eurostar do the groundwork on border controls, particularly with through running at Brussels Midi.
I doubt we will see much through running of Eurostar, not with the current regulations. It's not the border control, but the luggage scanning that is the problem.
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I doubt we will see much through running of Eurostar, not with the current regulations. It's not the border control, but the luggage scanning that is the problem.
In Spain it“s not a problem.
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Luggage screening also takes place for Turkish high speed in the Spanish style. You need a separate platform for that, not a whole segregated check-in area.
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In Spain it“s not a problem.
The luggage screening in Spain isn't taken seriously. And the stations have a lot of spare capacity. But it will hamper growth of traffic and network integration.
No way you could do this in Germany.
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Luggage screening also takes place for Turkish high speed in the Spanish style. You need a separate platform for that, not a whole segregated check-in area.
Dedicating a whole platform to a service that only runs a few times a day is not going to happen in any country that cares about.running its railway halfway efficient.
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Anyway, the luggage screening required for Eurostar in the Gare du Nord in Paris doesn't seem to be a problem either. Even if it is not that common in French stations.

It seems like the problem is in German stations which cannot room this kind of service on their platforms.

At the beginning UK designed a separated terminal for Eurostar services... For sure it is not the way of operating railways and stations in Germany, and there you have the conflict.
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Eurotunnel requires luggage to be screened as part of the security protocol. Trucks and cars also go through scanners when they onboard Le Shuttle services.

Luggage screening could be done on platforms or perhaps on board of a train (using dogs). The biggest problem is UK Border Control: the UK doesn't want trains that haven't been checked yet to enter their soil as High Speed 1 does not count as 'international territory' like airports. It's very hard to make sure no castaways are on board a train as they can hide nearly anywhere.
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The luggage screening in Spain isn't taken seriously. And the stations have a lot of spare capacity.
Rather not taking that seriously than having the TGVs like a pigsty.

Yesterday I did a return Tarragona-Montpellier trip, and the TGV Duplex that took me back to Barcelona had the wc out of order, they were so, so dirty you could not even enter, such was the stench. Every AVE (and TGV, even if they“re not ours?) leaving Madrid or Barcelona northbound leaves the station crystal clean.
Will the people at Bercy complain that they have to work if we tell them to clean up the trains, at least on the inside?

There were people in my coach doing such short trips like Birmingham-Barcelona, Karlsruhe-Madrid, Cologne-Barcelona and other not-so-long trips like Amiens-Sitges, Toulon-Granollers Centre, Orleans-Tarragona or of course, Paris-Barcelona.

You may believe these people won“t need to use it during their trip, probably you will be right.
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