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Old April 9th, 2014, 04:46 PM   #2401
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What about a Brussels-Barcelona service? In Belgium there is a large spanish comunity, and also many belgians spend their hollydays is Spain...
Yes, we know.

The main problem is the lack of rolling stock adapted to the French, Spanish and Belgian signalling, tri-tension (1,5 kV DC, 3 kV DC and 25 kV AC), having also the ETCS and the anti-fire systems required for the Perthus international tunnel, all at once.

The current TGV that does the Brussels-Perpignan route lacks the ETCS and the anti-fire system.
The Thalys PBA rolling stock lack the anti-fire, and the TGV used for the Paris-Milan services lack the ETCS.

So for now, it is phisically possible, and also desirable.
The route has potential for at least a train per day and direction, albeit the travel time will be rather long (still, inside of Spain there are routes with a lesser potential and a longer travel time).

But there are no trains adapted to the conditions required for such a route yet.
The EU prefers to regulate the size of bananas, the roundness of apples, and the green-ness of peas, rather than having a really integrated European rail network.
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They could run more Bruxelles-Lyon trains, and also London-Lyon trains.

The need to change stations in Paris is a significant drawback on journeys that would involve a transfer between Gare du Nord and Gare de Lyon.
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Old April 9th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #2403
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They could run more Bruxelles-Lyon trains, and also London-Lyon trains.
There are already quite a few Brussel - Lyon trains. But more would always be welcome. However, as a interchange hub for different intersector TGVs with TGVs to Spain a better choice is Valence TGV.

London - Lyon (or even London - Valence) would be nice, but is rather not really going to happen as the current security theatre is still insisted upon. Such trains would only be profitable (except on a very limited seasonal basis) if they also transport domestic passengers.
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The EU prefers to regulate the size of bananas, the roundness of apples, and the green-ness of peas, rather than having a really integrated European rail network.
Actually the EU is regulating interoperability of trains as well. But these things take time.
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Actually the EU is regulating interoperability of trains as well. But these things take time.
Come to think of it, the next Renfe order of HSR rolling stock will feature some tri-tension trains.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 09:05 AM   #2406
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Come to think of it, the next Renfe order of HSR rolling stock will feature some tri-tension trains.
And with the roll-out of ETCS in Belgium they ought to be able to run there...
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And with the roll-out of ETCS in Belgium they ought to be able to run there...
Not sure... The HSL between Brussels and the french border near Lille is
currently equipped with the french system TVM430 and I'm not aware of any
plans to replace that with ETCS in the near future.
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Not sure... The HSL between Brussels and the french border near Lille is
currently equipped with the french system TVM430 and I'm not aware of any
plans to replace that with ETCS in the near future.
I asume that any trains ordered by RENFE for high speed services to France would have TVM on board. Which means that with ETCS no additional systems would be needed for running in to Belgium in the near future.
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Old April 12th, 2014, 10:30 PM   #2409
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Hamburg ---> Copenhagen with an ICE 3 (Diesel version)

An ICE on a ferry. You don´t see that so often.



EDIT:Another video from the ferry.
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I assume they use the ferry Rodby-Puttgarden.

But why don´t they go to Copenhagen via Flensburg? Is it that much longer than using the ferry?
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But why don´t they go to Copenhagen via Flensburg? Is it that much longer than using the ferry?
About 140 km, not sure how much time wise. The new Fehrman link will revolutionise the traffic on this route.
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2021, if everything is on time. This thing will take an eternity to finish, like any tunnel or big bridge project.
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The Fehmarnbelt Tunnel will be an awesome piece of infrastructure!
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A nice article from the British newspaper The Independent.

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New high-speed rail link from Paris:
Breakfast in London, dinner in Barcelona


http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...a-9254210.html
I´m certain, because I´ve seen it, that some British passengers already use it to travel from London to Barcelona (it´s a really nice trip, much faster and better than it used to -albeit still a bit long, but not much longer than say, travelling from London-Euston to Mallaig in the Scottish Highlands by daytime).

But we´ll have to wait for some more time till seeing direct Brussels-Barcelona or London-Barcelona regular rail services, for now the change at Paris is compulsory.
But I suppose it´ll end up happening.
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A nice article from the British newspaper The Independent.



I´m certain, because I´ve seen it, that some British passengers already use it to travel from London to Barcelona (it´s a really nice trip, much faster and better than it used to -albeit still a bit long, but not much longer than say, travelling from London-Euston to Mallaig in the Scottish Highlands).

But we´ll have to wait for some more time till seeing direct Brussels-Barcelona or London-Barcelona regular rail services, for now the change at Paris is compulsory.
But I suppose it´ll end up happening.
The worst part of that trip is the change of stations in Paris. They should make a tunnel between Gare d'Est and Gare de Lyon, and the also build an underground moving walkway between Gare du Nord and Gare d'Est, making them effectively a single station, and then run trains from the South through to Gare d'Est-Noord.
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The worst part of that trip is the change of stations in Paris.
Definitely. but rather than building this expensive underground infrastructure
under Paris, why not organise the change in Lille ? A TGV Lille-Barcelona
avoiding Paris (well, parisians could still catch it at Roissy) would be perfectly
feasable and it would serve both London and Brussels markets.
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Currently there are direct trains between Montpellier and Lille? They could be easily extended to Barcelona.
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Currently there are direct trains between Montpellier and Lille? They could be easily extended to Barcelona.
There are 4-5 daily trains Lille-Montpellier S.R.

2 of these originate in Bruxelles-Midi.
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Does the TGV Brussels-Perpignan still exist?
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Does the TGV Brussels-Perpignan still exist?
There are other possibilities to avoid Paris : for example, from Brussels,
you can take a TGV at 10:31 that takes you to Valence TGV at 14:40
and from there a TGV at 16:21 that arrives in Barcelona at 20:40. That's
a long journey, but it will be stressless...
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