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Old May 18th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #2501
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Shame that they can't build a link through the Massif Central and Clermont-Ferrand. Barcelona-Paris would be even faster.
Ooooh if only they could...

That would be incredible news, both for Spain, the Languedoc and Auvergne.

But I´m afraid that would be way too expensive, between Clermont-Ferrand and Béziers the area is entirely mountainous and full of natural parks.

They managed to build the A-75 and the Millau viaduct, though...
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Old May 18th, 2014, 09:38 PM   #2502
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A Toulouse-Lourdes-Hiesca high-speed link is more helpful.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #2503
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I would be happy just with having a full HSL from Madrid to Paris through the Basque Country and another one Barcelona to Paris through the Languedoc.

In 20 years we can discussi about alternative links through the Pyrenees or through the Massif Central if you want to...
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Old May 18th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #2504
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Indeed. Or even 30 years...

Right now, Spain and France can´t cope with any more new lines other than those that have seen works start.
And even in the case of projects that have started, we´ll take some time to finish them off.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 10:49 PM   #2505
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If we are talking about fantasy routes then the shortest way from Barcelona to Paris would be Barcelona-Andorra-Toulouse-Limoges-Orleans-Paris. The straight line from Barcelona to Toulouse via Andorra would be particularly cool
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Indeed. Or even 30 years...

Right now, Spain and France can´t cope with any more new lines other than those that have seen works start.
And even in the case of projects that have started, we´ll take some time to finish them off.
Dreaming is not a sin, right?

If Spain finishes ALL the lines already started in 10-15 years it will be a job very well done. There won't be that much gaps left in the French network by that time either. Probably still no HS line to Nice, though...
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Old May 18th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #2507
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Probably France is more "worried" about the saturation of the corridor between Paris-Lyon. I find more feasible that improvement than a new central line through the Massif Central.
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The Irun/Hendaye complex seen from the air.
Left, Hendaye (France). Right, Irun (Spain).

We can see three bridges over river Bidassoa, the top one is a road bridge, the middle one is the Euskotren bridge (narrow gauge San Sebastian-Hendaye), and the bottom one is the classic line (French Bordeaux-Irun, Spanish Madrid-Hendaye).

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News!!

New AVE/TGV services Spain/France.

I´m not entirely sure wether the new Barcelona-Toulouse service is a replacement of the current one or a second train.
If someone knows about it or learns about it, please do tell us about it.

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Looks like this new AVE Barcelona-Toulouse will be the second one (but I´m not entirely sure yet, I´ll ask a second inner source to confirm that).
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Ooooh if only they could...

That would be incredible news, both for Spain, the Languedoc and Auvergne.

But I´m afraid that would be way too expensive, between Clermont-Ferrand and Béziers the area is entirely mountainous and full of natural parks.

They managed to build the A-75 and the Millau viaduct, though...
But a motorway can be used also by very local traffic, and this one didn't need many tunnels. An HSL through the Massif Central would need massive tunneling, and could not serve local traffic.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 12:21 AM   #2511
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I think nobody has talked about the special trains scheduled between Madrid and Lisbon for the Champions League Final. As the two teams are based in Madrid (Real Madrid and Atlético de Madrid) the amount of people who is moving from Madrid (and from Spain in general) towards Portugal next weekend is huge.

Apart of the the regular Trenhotel Lusitania which runs every night between both cities, 5 additional Talgo night trains are scheduled. 4 of them are segregated for supporters of the two teams for not mixing them up all together. In total, more than 2000 places.

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Cuadro de servicios "Especial Champions"

It is in Spanish, but I think it can be easily understood.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 12:48 AM   #2512
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Note how Real Madrid supporters go from Madrid-Chamartin to Lisbon-Santa Apolonia, and Atlético Madrid supporters go from Madrid-Atocha to Lisbon-Oriente.
Hooligans from each club (they can be extremely dangerous, both sides) are usually under control, but it´s better not to mix the supporters up, just in case.

Note how some trains run "via Medina", that is, via the classic line through Avila and Arévalo, and reversing at Medina del Campo station to continue towards Salamanca, Vilar Formoso, Guarda, Pampilhosa, Coimbra-B and Lisbon.
Other trains run "via Peñaranda", that is, via the classic line through Avila, then via Peñaranda de Bracamonte to Salamanca, Guarda, Coimbra and Lisbon.
Why is that? I don´t know, but I guess that the Avila-Peñaranda de Bracamonte-Salamanca line hasn´t got very good signalling hence limited capacity.

Note also how some other trains from Madrid-Atocha run "via Pasillo Verde", that´s the name for the Madrid Atocha to Madrid Principe Pio line (through Mendez Alvaro and Delicias), which joins the Avila main line at Pinar de las Rozas.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 12:51 AM   #2513
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But a motorway can be used also by very local traffic, and this one didn't need many tunnels. An HSL through the Massif Central would need massive tunneling, and could not serve local traffic.
I hope you understood that I was dreaming aloud... such a line would be like a HSL from Sion to St Moritz through Andermatt.
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A train with 24 cars? That look way too much, maybe? Isn't that longer than security specs for signaling blocks in certain sectors?
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A train with 24 cars? That look way too much, maybe? Isn't that longer than security specs for signaling blocks in certain sectors?
Remember that Talgo coaches are shorter than classic coaches.
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A train with 24 cars? That look way too much, maybe? Isn't that longer than security specs for signaling blocks in certain sectors?
Bah, nothing extraordinary for Talgo trainsets.

28 cars for the Galicia Trenhotel in Can Batista


32-34 cars for the already cancelled Trenhotel Madrid-Paris in Zarzalejo
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When was the international connection Badajoz-Elva closed?

What about the Cáceres-Beirañ-Abrantes line?
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Recently started a thread for a proposed Oslo-Copenhagen high-speed connection (connecting Norway-Sweden-Denmark and via the Fehmarn link Hamburg/Germany), marketed as The Scandinavian 8 Million City.

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3 countries, 4 metropolitan cities, including 2 capitals; this is The Scandinavian 8 Million City. 8 million of Scandinavia's19, 3 million inhabitants live in the corridor between Oslo and Copenhagen.

The goal for 2025 – not so distant future – is a high speed rail link that will physically connect these 8 million inhabitants and contribute to making this region one of the world's most competitive.

The region is already in the world's top league when it comes to an educated and skilled workforce, and represents one of the most dynamic an innovative regions in Europe. Scandinavian cities have, however, got small and rather dispersed populations, with notable concentrations only around the metropolitan areas of Oslo, Gothenburg, Malmö, Copenhagen and Stockholm. In a world were regions increase in size to attract talent and be more competitive globally, this is a challenge.
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When was the international connection Badajoz-Elva closed?
The section Abrantes-Torre das Vargens-Portalegre-Elvas-Badajoz was closed to passenger services on January 1, 2012. It´s still in service for freight, though.
Right now there are no passenger services west of Badajoz.

I´m not sure about the future situation for the international section Badajoz-Elvas, as it´s involved on both the new HSL on the Spanish side, and the new Evora-Elvas line, which will have passenger services.

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What about the Cáceres-Beirañ-Abrantes line?
The section Torre das Vargens-Marvâo Beirâ was closed to all traffic on August 15, 2012.

The section Valencia de Alcantara-Cáceres is still open for regional services.

I´m not sure about the current situation of the international section between Valencia de Alcántara and Marvâo-Beirâ.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 01:32 PM   #2520
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I´m not sure about the current situation of the international section between Valencia de Alcántara and Marvâo-Beirâ.
It closed for all services as well (the branch doesnt even appear on the railway map).
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