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Old August 15th, 2014, 06:53 PM   #2581
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For wandering away from the topic of international rail travel.

The Orient Express is ashamed of you.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 07:09 PM   #2582
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I was born in Latvia and the dominant reason why people from my country favour UK and Ireland over other EU countries is the language. Everybody has learned at least some minimum in school. Scandinavia is also popular because you can get away with just English for a while and Germany because that language is also taught in schools (not as early as English). Very few Latvians know languages other than Russia, English and German so moving elsewhere is more challenging.

I haven't heard of benefits or healthcare being a major concern. It's all about employment opportunities, salaries and the existing support network (friends or relatives already there).
That's interesting thanks, I guess because I've lived in the UK all my life I have a different view than those who are looking to emigrate. I only said healthcare because that's the one thing which I think is best about the UK but as I said I have a different perspective to someone from a country like Latvia for example.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 07:13 PM   #2583
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Would it be possible for an open-access operator to put out some competing trains between Spain and France?

RFF seems not very friendly to open-access operators at all, but maybe someone with the financial muscles could get behind such project.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 07:56 PM   #2584
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Would be very difficult to make money, at least in the short term from just 2-3 routes.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 08:22 PM   #2585
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How fast could a non-stop Barcelona-Paris journey be completed?
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Old August 15th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #2586
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The trains already do not stop much. The morning trains runs non-stop Paris-Nimes, then stops Montpellier, Narbonne, and Perpignan, all of which are on the non-HSR section and would probably have to be passed slowly anyways, then stops at Figueras and Girona on the HSR in Spain (do not know if high-speed or semi-high-speed passing would be possible here). With the current speediest connection 6 hrs 23 mins, a non-stop run would be somewhere just under 6 hours. But such a run would probably only make sense if the train continues to other major destinations (to Madrid or London).
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Old August 15th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #2587
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This thread has now earned a Colonel Mann:

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True.

Did a Turk travelling by Orient Express Istanbul-Paris in 1911 need any visa (France, Germany, Austria, something in Balkan like Rumenia, Bulgaria or Serbia)?
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Old August 15th, 2014, 09:10 PM   #2588
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What will the run-time go down to once there is continuous HSR available on the French side (there seems to be pretty continuous speed in Spain)?
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Old August 16th, 2014, 03:27 AM   #2589
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dear Pansori, yes, there are 1 billion Africans and nearly as many Europeans (ca. 750,000). On the other hand, the Europeans have a GDP of 24.4 trillion Dollars, whereas all Africans together amount to only 2.6 trillion. Such harsh differences in relatively close proximity in the global age are bound to cause reactions.
I am all for targeting problems at the roots, and development, a fairer global trade order and some kind of compensation for the legacy of colonialism would help. As for lowering birth rates, this is usually more the effect than the cause of growing wealth. After all, most of Western Europe is more intensely populated than Africa due to the enormous demographic growth of the 19th century.
On one side there are left-wing idealists who think all problems can be solved by giving [even more] free stuff to the less fortunate/lazy/incapable while on the other side there is the harshest and fairest force of all called the economic reality. It is best embodied by this man who had enough balls to reject all of the irrational and destructive ideas and instead go for what made his country perhaps the most successful place on earth. Listening to him I feel that this world still has some hope. He would disagree with you and detest your ideas. So do I.
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Old August 16th, 2014, 07:01 AM   #2590
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This thread is supposed to be about railways and so on, isn't it?
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Old August 16th, 2014, 09:27 AM   #2591
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This thread is supposed to be about railways and so on, isn't it?
Yeah sorry for going OT.
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True. Did a Turk travelling by Orient Express Istanbul-Paris in 1911 need any visa (France, Germany, Austria, something in Balkan like Rumenia, Bulgaria or Serbia)?
He probably wouldn't even have needed a passport.
In the decades before WW I there was de facto free movement of persons within Europe. Border crossings were pretty straightforward, and usually didn't involve identity checks, not even when entering the UK.
And that was largely thanks to the growth of international travel made possible by the railways.
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Old August 18th, 2014, 01:59 PM   #2593
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The trains already do not stop much. The morning trains runs non-stop Paris-Nimes, then stops Montpellier, Narbonne, and Perpignan, all of which are on the non-HSR section and would probably have to be passed slowly anyways, then stops at Figueras and Girona on the HSR in Spain (do not know if high-speed or semi-high-speed passing would be possible here). With the current speediest connection 6 hrs 23 mins, a non-stop run would be somewhere just under 6 hours. But such a run would probably only make sense if the train continues to other major destinations (to Madrid or London).
Thinking about cutting stops, my fantasy London service would run:

London - Lille - CDG - Nimes - Montpellier - Perpignan - Barcelona

Lille and CDG may seem odd, but they don't seem to have much service on this route, and would help to sell seats (and in some cases, sell the same seat twice).

You could also offer Eurostar/Thalys connections from Brussels and beyond at Lille.

Another operator with trains that split could have a few options - such as an Amsterdam/Brussels portion, and then splitting to serve Provence and the coast.

Practical question - in regards to voltage, signalling and anything else, can the new e320s run in Spain?
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Old August 18th, 2014, 02:40 PM   #2594
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Thinking about cutting stops, my fantasy London service would run:

London - Lille - CDG - Nimes - Montpellier - Perpignan - Barcelona
Scrap Nimes and Perpignan, add Ashford instead, and I agree with you.

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Practical question - in regards to voltage, signalling and anything else, can the new e320s run in Spain?
Yes, if they're equipped with the Spanish signalling systems.
AVE trains class S-103 are almost identical.
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Old August 20th, 2014, 06:18 PM   #2595
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Perpignan is surely essential! Big holiday region (would cover Carcassone area too) and for the Pyrenees.

And Nimes (and Arles) I'm a big fan of, but I'm not sure how popular they are overall.
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What voltage does Spanish OHLE run at?
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3 kV DC on classical lignes, 25 kV AC on high speed lines.
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3 kV DC on classical lignes, 25 kV AC on high speed lines.
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Perpignan is surely essential! Big holiday region (would cover Carcassone area too) and for the Pyrenees.
Thinking about a train that would have a rather long travel time, one would look up for the ideal spots to have the train stopping at.
One would also think about the least number of stops to improve the travel time from London to Barcelona, which is not as close to London as Woking is.

By calling at Montpellier, one can:

-get a quick regional rail link to Nimes and Perpignan -the core of the Pyrenees is not that close from Perpignan, they have a better access from Toulouse (to which you could also change for at Montpellier) and Barcelona (the south side of the Pyrenees exists too).

-serve one of the main cities in Southern France (Nimes and Perpignan aren't big cities, really, Montpellier really is).

-easily get to the coast of the Languedoc.

I can only accept Narbonne as a good second stop (but not to replace Montpellier, which is a stop that should be compulsory), never Perpignan or Nimes.
Not because of the size of the city (Narbonne is a small city), but because it's one of the main interchange stations in southern France.

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And Nimes (and Arles) I'm a big fan of, but I'm not sure how popular they are overall.
Nimes is at commuting distance from Montpellier.

Arles isn't a big city at all, and anyway that's on the Marseille route, not the Barcelona route.
For Arles you change at Avignon or Valence, since there are more options.

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By adding Ashford instead, you offer:

-a better service to/from SE England with France and Spain (Kent, Sussex, even Surrey), notably Canterbury, Tunbridge Wells, Hastings.

-the possibility of skipping London and its overcrowidng at King's Cross St Pancras to change for Waterloo or Victoria to go back south (hello, Victoria and Northern lines! hi there, Thameslink! ).
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3 kV DC on classical lignes, 25 kV AC on high speed lines.
That will become a bit more complex very soon.

Some classic lines are being/will be electrified at 25 kV AC.

No reelectrification plans in sight though, for now.
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