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Old August 29th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #2601
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France – Germany HS services carry 10 millionth passenger
Friday, August 29, 2014



GERMAN Rail (DB) and French National Railways (SNCF) marked a milestone for international high-speed services between Germany and France on August 29, when they carried their 10 millionth passenger on their ICE and TGV services from Stuttgart and Frankfurt to Paris

A total of 5.6 million passengers have travelled on the Paris – Saarbrücken – Mannheim – Frankfurt route since June 2007, while the Paris – Strasburg – Stuttgart – Munich service has carried 4.4 million passengers

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Old August 30th, 2014, 03:13 PM   #2602
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How much will travel times shorten between Frankfurt/Stuttgart and Paris once the second part of LGV Est is opened?
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Old August 31st, 2014, 08:15 PM   #2603
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Nice shot of the TGV and ICE nex to each other at Paris Est station. Which one do you prefer? I can't make my mind up...

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Old August 31st, 2014, 08:19 PM   #2604
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There is also the Orient Express in Gare de l'Est.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 08:27 PM   #2605
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Yes sir...



And of course the Moscow express from the Russian railways... or at least used to be.

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Old August 31st, 2014, 08:29 PM   #2606
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Nice shot of the TGV and ICE nex to each other at Paris Est station. Which one do you prefer? I can't make my mind up.
I'll take ICE. Still think it's one of the best industrial designs ever.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 12:36 AM   #2607
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If you can understand German, then you'll find this 30 minute documentary interesting. It's about the ICE service from Frankfurt to Paris, following the driver, two conductors (a German and a Frenchman) , the caterers and information about the preparations etc...

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Old September 2nd, 2014, 02:27 PM   #2608
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The RJ service between Praha - Wien - Graz is in serious jeopardy. The Czech Competition Authority has nullified the leasing contract between ÖBB and CD for the 1216 locos. They claim public procurement law has been violated since there was no tendering procedure, where other companies could have laid down their offers. This does not take into consideration that RJ can only be hauled by Siemens locos for software reasons and Siemens won't give away this software to competitors like Skoda. Meaning there is no such thing as a market for potential locos that could haul those Siemens Viaggio units.

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Old September 2nd, 2014, 02:37 PM   #2609
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Doesn't the SNCF run on Siemens software in their Alstom TGV trains when running in Germany?
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 02:52 PM   #2610
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Very unlikely as Germany doesn't have any ETCS tracks so far and this is the only possibility I can think of. Some Taurus locos in Austria run on Alstom ETCS-computers.

Signaling is not the problem here, but the software hub which operates the rest of the train.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 03:18 PM   #2611
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They should have a EU directive where it all becomes compatible. After all I can ring someone with a Samsung phone on my HTC...
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 03:37 PM   #2612
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Then try to synch your Samsung phone using HTC software.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 04:09 PM   #2613
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The RJ service between Praha - Wien - Graz is in serious jeopardy. The Czech Competition Authority has nullified the leasing contract between ÖBB and CD for the 1216 locos. They claim public procurement law has been violated since there was no tendering procedure, where other companies could have laid down their offers. This does not take into consideration that RJ can only be hauled by Siemens locos for software reasons and Siemens won't give away this software to competitors like Skoda. Meaning there is no such thing as a market for potential locos that could haul those Siemens Viaggio units.

http://ekonomika.idnes.cz/problemy-s...ko-doprava_neh
It can be hauled by other locos, but it can't be pushed as a unit, as the communication protocols between the loco and the rear cabin (i.e. unit control) are proprietary to Siemens.

Siemens doesn't want to give them to Škoda, as they could offer their locos on the market, and also they could probably use the info in construction of their own systems (Škoda won a DB contract for push pull units).

This ruling from the Competition office is quite funny, as the whole contract for the RailJets did not go through public tendering as they were bought on a option of the ÖBB and Škoda complained about it at the competition authority back then already.

I would say that if Siemens makes it possible to sell the units without the locos, it should be forced to make the protocols public. Couldn't Škoda just reverse engineer them?

PS: the article mentions that rather then that the tendering procedure was missing, the problem is that the ČD did not use a procedure prescribed by the law. And it would be indeed possible to award it to ÖBB without having to considering other offers I think, but it would have to happen according to the law.

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Old September 2nd, 2014, 06:33 PM   #2614
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ICE 3 tested for cross-border operation
2 SEP, 2014



Preliminary testing has been completed to enable cross-border operation of Siemens ICE 3 trainsets in France.

DB Systemtechnik and Siemens has conducted tests on an eight-car DB 407 unit equipped with eight custom wheelsets. Two of the trains eight cars were weighted to simulate passenger service.

Siemens is supplying Deutsche Bahn (DB) with 17 Class 407 trains. Following a series of delays, the ICE 3 was cleared by the German Federal Railway Authority (EBA) in December 2013. Since the original order for 15 trains was placed in 2008, Siemens has agreed to supply two extra vehicles – one to compensate for the delay and another to replace an ICE3MF set which was damaged in an accident in 2010. The eighth and final domestic ICE 3 unit was delivered in April

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Then try to synch your Samsung phone using HTC software.
Hint: Drag and drop on any modern OS.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 07:01 PM   #2616
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Are the ICE3 sets what DB plans to use for its direct services to London?
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 07:55 PM   #2617
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I would say that if Siemens makes it possible to sell the units without the locos, it should be forced to make the protocols public. Couldn't Škoda just reverse engineer them?
That will probably land Škoda in some legal hot water regarding Siemens' intellectual property, which Siemens would most likely win. I don't anticipate Škoda's lawyers ever agreeing to reverse engineer how the communication between the Siemens built locomotives and steering coaches works.

A possible alternative is Škoda building a new steering table into the newly built driving trailers, which can communicate with their locomotive. However, this won't be cheap and it will definitely void any warranty given by Siemens on the coaches they built.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 12:10 AM   #2618
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That will probably land Škoda in some legal hot water regarding Siemens' intellectual property, which Siemens would most likely win. I don't anticipate Škoda's lawyers ever agreeing to reverse engineer how the communication between the Siemens built locomotives and steering coaches works.
Would it? I mean, Škoda would just need to determine what kind of signals to send to the Siemens equipment to make it compatible with their own equipment. I.e. we talk here only about creating some sort of interface. I am not sure that this would be so clear legal battle. Copyright doesn't apply, Siemens would use patent argument and Škoda could use the dominant position on the market argument. http://www.valimaki.com/org/interoperability_ipr.pdf
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The Czech Competition Authority has nullified the leasing contract between ÖBB and CD for the 1216 locos. They claim public procurement law has been violated since there was no tendering procedure [...]
This kind of authority should take care that public money is well spent and not wasted, but it is not the case here: the coaches already exist and make up just 7 trains -7, not 70 or 700!-, and it is unlikely more sets will be bought by CD, so fur such a small and existing fleet having competition doesn't has any advantage. This decision of the Czech authority is just idiot.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 07:11 AM   #2620
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Are the ICE3 sets what DB plans to use for its direct services to London?
Yes, but not ICE 3, Velaro-D are. In 2010 DB announced in London that it was planning to run three trains per day from London to both Frankfurt and Amsterdam starting in December 2013, using class 407 Velaro-D, but in February this year DB admitted: “the service is unlikely to be launched before the end of the decade. For now focus on validating their trains in France, Belgium and Holland”.
http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ns-on-ice.html.

It is not true that the class 407 Velaro D are validated to cross the Channel Tunnel, as the test and the trip to Saint Pancras in 2010 were made with a class 406 ICE 3M, that is not authorized to cross the Channel Tunnel.


What actually happened was that The Channel Tunnel Safety Authority, under the Inter-Governmental Commission (IGC) gave DB Part B of the Safety Certificate, which recognizes that you have a System Safety Management satisfying the Community legislation. Ie that it meets the safety procedures and organization, which empowers DB put the Eurotunnel services with any approved material.
Part A of the certificate confirms that the Railway Company has a Safety Management System that meets European standards and national requirements and, in a harmonized way throughout the European rail system; while Part B confirms the application of the Safety Management System for use on a particular infrastructure (point a route point by a line).
The certificate is valid for five years, renewable for successive periods where policy conditions for its execution are met.

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