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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #2661
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Per hour? Sure?
Good catch, that should've been "1 train per hour, 16x a day".
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:13 PM   #2662
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1h51min travel time. Lowest fares are € 29.
And how much for Benelux trains?
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:16 PM   #2663
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And how much for Benelux trains?
€ 39,20
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:19 PM   #2664
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You are probably not comparing apples with apples here. Doesn't make sense that slower service is also more expensive.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:23 PM   #2665
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Some news regarding international trains from/to Austria from mid-dec 2014:


- all trains from Vienna to Italy, Hungary (and beyond), Slovenia (and beyond) and Czech Republic (and beyond) will use the new Vienna main station (Wien Hauptbahnhof)

- the same applies for all overnight trains and for ICE-trains to Germany via Passau

- the other trains (RJ trains to Munich, Zurich) will switch to the Hauptbahnhof only one year later (in dec 2015), when the new station becomes fully operational

- the route to Prague will be served by a 2-hourly railjet line Graz - Vienna - Prague, which will replace existing Eurocity-trains (Villach-Vienna-Prague-Berlin-Hamburg, Graz/Wr Neustadt/Vienna-Prague - totally 7 train pairs). Travel time Vienna - Prague will be reduced to ~4h10.

- Eurocity "Polonia" will only run Vienna - Warsaw (now it runs Villach - Vienna - Warsaw; between Villach and Vienna it will be replaced by a railjet-train)

- Eurocity "Sobieski" will run Vienna - Warsaw - Gdynia (instead of just Vienna - Warsaw); Vienna - Gdynia will take ~11 hrs

- D 100/101 Vienna - Bohumin (with direct coaches Vienna-Moscow/St. Petersburg) will receive seating cars and these will run daily, so it will provide a new morning service from Bohumin/Ostrava to Vienna and back in the afternoon.

- two new Eurocity trains will run from Vienna to Hungary:
EC 143/142 Vienna - Budapest - Debrecen and v.v., EC 345/344 Vienna - Budapest - Belgrade and v.v.

- There will also be a new EC 149/148 Vienna - Budapest, but this will just replace overnight train EN 467/466 Zurich-Budapest. The Zurich-Budapest-coaches of that train will be conveyed by EN 463/462 between Salzburg and Budapest, so EN 467/466 will only run Zürich-Vienna and v.v

- ICE trains from Frankfurt/Hamburg/Dortmund to Vienna and v.v. will be extended to Vienna airport (and will no longer serve the Westbahnhof, but Meidling and Hauptbahnhof).

- EC 31/30 Vienna - Venice and v.v. will receive a restaurant car; EC 164/163 Graz - Zürich and v.v. will receive a SBB observation car (1st class)


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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #2666
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[QUOTE=nachalnik;117447659EC 164/163 Graz - Zürich and v.v. will receive a SBB observation car (1st class)


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Will they give this train some touristic name?
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Old September 17th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #2667
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You are probably not comparing apples with apples here. Doesn't make sense that slower service is also more expensive.
The € 29 mentioned by Suburbanist is the early bird fare, which gets you a No Flex ticket in 2nd class.

I've just looked for a Amsterdam - Brussels Thalys for tomorrow morning and the only offer is € 109,00 for a Full Flex ticket for a one way trip. If I look at next Wednesday, I can get a Semi-Flex ticket for € 79,00. If I look even further than that I see some Semi Flex-tickets for € 55,00.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 12:25 AM   #2668
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I checked as well and looks like a realistic cheapest offer for a person who is not competely flexible with travel days, but is able to book well in advance is ca 100€ for a return ticket. It wouldn't be possible to beat this travel time by any other publicly available travel mode, but cheap it is definitely not.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 12:26 AM   #2669
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Old September 18th, 2014, 12:52 AM   #2670
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I checked as well and looks like a realistic cheapest offer for a person who is not competely flexible with travel days, but is able to book well in advance is ca 100€ for a return ticket. It wouldn't be possible to beat this travel time by any other publicly available travel mode, but cheap it is definitely not.
€ 100 can realistically allow you to travel for a day at work (or leisure) and back same day, total train travel time = 2h40min

€ 78,40 (fixed fare) would require 6h50min on board. Not a realistic idea for a round-trip in one day unless you have just a simple midday appointment in Bruxelles.

You can save 4h10 min from on-train time by € 22 extra. Sounds a good deal.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 11:42 AM   #2671
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Will they give this train some touristic name?
SBB has given that train the traditional name "Transalpin", in Austria it is officially and unfortunately nameless...
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Old September 21st, 2014, 11:29 PM   #2672
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http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/trai...09/23/advanced

Next 374 due through to us is in the system
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Old September 23rd, 2014, 02:56 PM   #2673
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From Railway Gazette:

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European Commission approves Thalys restructuring
23 Sep 2014



EUROPE: The European Commission announced on September 22 that it had approved the restructuring of Thalys as a 60:40 joint venture between SNCF of France and SNCB of Belgium. Operating high speed services from Paris to Brussels, Amsterdam and Köln, Thalys had originally been established in partnership with DB of Germany and NS of the Netherlands.

During its investigation, the commission had found that the impact on competition would be ‘particularly limited’, given that the proposed restructuring principally involved the existing relationship between SNCF and SNCB. In addition, the new joint venture would face competition from DB on certain routes ‘in the near future’, while air and the private car provided competition with Thalys services on certain routes.

Welcoming the commission’s decision, SNCF and SNCB said that the new joint venture was expected to be launched in 2015. By improving efficiency and flexibility, the partners are aiming to provide Thalys with increased resources that will enable it to grow by offering an even more attractive and better-performing service to its customers
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Old September 23rd, 2014, 06:16 PM   #2674
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http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/trai...09/23/advanced

Next 374 due through to us is in the system
The path has been activated so looks like tonight's run is on
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Old September 24th, 2014, 11:27 AM   #2675
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From Railway Gazette:European Commission approves Thalys restructuring
So SNCB and SNCF want to keep NS out. Earlier NS wrote it would like to take over the share of DB: http://www.treinreiziger.nl/actueel/..._thalys-146432
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Old September 24th, 2014, 01:19 PM   #2676
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Time for NS to start its own high-speed service to France.
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Old September 24th, 2014, 02:08 PM   #2677
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If DB has troubles getting in, then NS won't stand a chance. And it's not anyway, the proposed London to Frankfurt and Amsterdam services would be conducted by DB only.
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Old September 24th, 2014, 07:22 PM   #2678
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DB will not attempt to operate trains from Germany to London this decade:

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In 2010 DB announced in London that it was planning to run three trains per day from London to both Frankfurt and Amsterdam starting in December 2013, using class 407 Velaro-D, but in February this year DB admitted: “the service is unlikely to be launched before the end of the decade. For now focus on validating their trains in France, Belgium and Holland”.
http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/high-speed/db-puts-london-–-frankfurt-high-speed-plans-on-ice.html.

It is not true that the class 407 Velaro D are validated to cross the Channel Tunnel, as the test and the trip to Saint Pancras in 2010 were made with a class 406 ICE 3M, that is not authorized to cross the Channel Tunnel.


What actually happened was that The Channel Tunnel Safety Authority, under the Inter-Governmental Commission (IGC) gave DB Part B of the Safety Certificate, which recognizes that you have a System Safety Management satisfying the Community legislation. Ie that it meets the safety procedures and organization, which empowers DB put the Eurotunnel services with any approved material.
Part A of the certificate confirms that the Railway Company has a Safety Management System that meets European standards and national requirements and, in a harmonized way throughout the European rail system; while Part B confirms the application of the Safety Management System for use on a particular infrastructure (point a route point by a line).
The certificate is valid for five years, renewable for successive periods where policy conditions for its execution are met.

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NS has enough to try to fix the disaster of Fyra.

Eurostar operate trains to Amsterdam itself, and maybe even to Germany, but with a stop of 103 minutes in Lille-Europe do not think they get to fill the 900 seats of each train e320, either from Holland or from Germany.

If the UKBA (The UK Border Agency) insists on not making passport control outside current controls (Lille, Paris and Brussels), i think it best to do London-Lille with Eurostar and take travelers from Marseille, Amsterdam and Cologne in TGV, Thalys and Velaro-D to Lille-Europe.
Passport control takes advantage of the train, I hope they reconsider.
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Old September 24th, 2014, 07:34 PM   #2679
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They should just make those damn border checks in the UK.
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Old September 24th, 2014, 08:03 PM   #2680
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I agree. I think DB together with SNCF, NMBS and NS should make legal procedures to make that happen. A whole new world of European rail travel will open then...
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