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Old October 14th, 2014, 06:25 PM   #2721
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Not trying to be political, but why the Torres are obsessed with privatizing everything?
You could also ask yourself why some parties are obsessed with nationalizing everything...
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Old October 14th, 2014, 06:45 PM   #2722
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Political power obliviously.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #2723
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In some countries trains run on the left, in others they run on the right. This is one of the things that happened when railway networks first started and cross-border connections were not foreseen.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 08:11 PM   #2724
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But why should the state own a company?
Because we invested in it (through British Rail)
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Old October 14th, 2014, 08:53 PM   #2725
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But why should the state own a company?
Because this company wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the state.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #2726
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Because this company wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the state.
It is though not a trivial question wheter to sell. However, I don't belive on honest intentions, so that would make me be against selling.


But. There are many variables entering the picture.

a) If you count the net present value of the expected future income and sell it for it, you don't really make a loss (of course you won't be able to count that precisly, the company could get in higher profit but it could sank in a loss as well).

b) If the net present value (NPV) for which you sell is bigger than the NVP you invested, than you actually make a profit on the whole investment.

c) There is possibility that the buyer will make profit, suck it and then throw it back on the government....

d) There is possibility that the private owner makes more profit with different pricing, but reducing the public welfare.

So I guess you would need to forge the contract very well, in such a way that you would mittigate the risks and keep the welfare. If you could actually get a good price, you could sell and invest that money to another similar project, which the private sector would find too risky...
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Old October 14th, 2014, 09:33 PM   #2727
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Why are they switching to left Hand train operating in Europe?
AFAIK, they don't, there is status quo for many years now:

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Old October 15th, 2014, 12:37 AM   #2728
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Steam locomotives had a distinguished driver side, and Railway signs needed to placed on that side. The british placed their signs on the left side of the Railway, just like they did on their roads. Because the first steam locomotives in France and Belgium where made in Britain, the driver side was also on the left side and trains were traveling on the left side.

Other European countries have build their own locomotives, and they placed signage on the right side (like Napoleon). Therefore, the current changes between left en right hand traffic happens and the Dutch-Belgium border, the Belgium-German border and the 1850's German-French border (Alsace-Loraine drives right).
For more information, look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_...traffic#Trains
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Old October 15th, 2014, 02:13 AM   #2729
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There are other places where trains run on the left side, for example in Sweden. As trains in Denmark run on the right, trains that cross the Öresundsbron into Sweden use a fly-over to switch from right to left.

A similar construct has been made in Barendrecht (Netherlands), but the Belgian-Dutch crossover happens in the Netherlands. Trains entering or leaving the HSL a dive-under or a fly-over to cross from the right side to the left and vice versa.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 04:41 PM   #2730
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The driver sitting on the left of a steam loco actually doesn't make sense to me from a practical view: Most people are right handed, meaning that a firemen can shuffle coal into the firebox easier when he is standing left of the firebox, which is exactly where the driver would be sitting on a left running train. I guess an optimal workplace layout wasn't that high on the priority list back then.

Nowadays most multiple units have there driving position in the middle, visibility out of electric locomotives is usually good enough to both sides. Only trains with large hoods are a problem. For instance SNCB class 77 is only allowed to run in the Netherlands short hood forward, meaning they always have to operate in pairs..
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Old October 15th, 2014, 05:01 PM   #2731
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Trackside signaling is so outdated anyways...
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Old October 15th, 2014, 05:30 PM   #2732
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Other than the fact that it is still the most common form of signaling, you're right.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 07:04 PM   #2733
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What makes you come to the conclusion they are?
Switzerland has along with France and Sweden...
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Other than the fact that it is still the most common form of signaling, you're right.
It is outdated nonetheless.

If we assumed we wanted to get rid of it altogether, except on very limited circumstances, in the past, we'd have devoted resources to improve safety and reliability with more automated train controls much earlier than now, and "driverless trains" would be a widespread reality already.

The technology required for in-cab signaling, at least basic one (permission for traffic and speed), has been in place since the 1930s.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 09:16 PM   #2736
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Switzerland has along with France and Sweden...
Switzerland has not "switched" to left hand running. Neither has France, nor has Sweden. In the countries trains have always run on the left...
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Old October 15th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #2737
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Because we invested in it (through British Rail)
That is not a reason to stay invested. The government could use the proceeds of a sale to invest in something else...
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Old October 28th, 2014, 12:36 AM   #2738
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Any further news on testing the Eurostar E320s? I read one is supposed to be on display at St Pancras next month.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 01:13 AM   #2739
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According to wnxx SNCFs 373s are due to be withdrawn:
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SNCF sets 3203/4 and 3227/8 have been placed into store initially at Vaires and Woippy respectively. Set 3225/6 is to follow, with all three destined for Conflans-Jarny for further storage prior to scrapping. Additionally, it is reported that the four NoL sets operating domestic services from Gare du Nord are due to be withdrawn in December.
It seems a waste especially since SNCF have three full length 373s which eurostar could use to give their fleet extra slack while the rest of the fleet is refurbished. I know they'd have to apply for tunnel running rights for the three 373s but the extra flexibility that it would give eurostar is surely a good thing?
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Old October 28th, 2014, 01:42 AM   #2740
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Scrapping?

Those sets are old enough for a mid-life revision but if given proper care then it should be possible to re-use them.

A few weeks ago I read an article abour the boom of Southeastern's high speed service from London into Kent, appearantly they are running with double sets (2x class 395) on some services to cope with demand. According to SE's train services director, "it's difficult to see how we could go any higher than this with the current fleet size".

By acquiring some of the NoL sets and giving them a major overhaul (midlife revision, interior reconfiguration), SE could free up some of their Javelins and use them for other services. Maybe to increase frequencies, to serve additional destinations, who knows...
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