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Old February 10th, 2015, 08:18 PM   #2841
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Arnhem - Düsseldorf and Hengelo - Bad Bentheim - Bielefeld services will start to run in the next few years. For Nijmegen - Kleve and Roermond - Dalheim there are lots of ideas and plans (including trams, tram-trains, heavy rail) but nothing is concrete.
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Old February 10th, 2015, 09:30 PM   #2842
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Is Roedby-Puttgarden the only train ferry left in Europe?
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Old February 10th, 2015, 09:33 PM   #2843
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Is Roedby-Puttgarden the only train ferry left in Europe?
No, there are many others still operating, although they are almost all for cargo wagons as oppose to passenger cars.
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Old February 10th, 2015, 10:35 PM   #2844
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Is Roedby-Puttgarden the only train ferry left in Europe?
Trelleborg-Sassnitz a seasonal service by Veolia, but for how long will this trainroute go on ?
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Old February 10th, 2015, 11:32 PM   #2845
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Trelleborg-Sassnitz a seasonal service by Veolia, but for how long will this trainroute go on ?
May be a year or two.

I've read that Stena operate just one train ferry now on this route and I'm surprised that even this exists as I'm sure that the Rostock-Trelleborg service can easily absorb the freight traffic that is routed via Sassnitz.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 08:58 AM   #2846
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If your goal is Berlin or beyond, Rostock is a significant detour.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 10:32 AM   #2847
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If your goal is Berlin or beyond, Rostock is a significant detour.
If you're a human, yes. But my reference had been to freight traffic. I'm sure in the next year or two there will be no standard gauge train ferries serving Sassnitz - concentrating all cargo traffic via Rostock is a logical step and I'm surprised it hasn't been done sooner.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 01:26 PM   #2848
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It goes without saying, but tunnels and bridges across the sea are infinitely better than train ferries, so if we get the full set of possible links ie Denmark Sweden, Denmark Germany, Britain France, Finland Estonia, Italy Sicily, Spain Morocco and perhaps even Britain to Ireland, then i will not weep for the disappearance of this mode of transport.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 02:06 PM   #2849
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Is Roedby-Puttgarden the only train ferry left in Europe?
No - Messina strait between Sicily and mainland Italy.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 02:29 PM   #2850
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Il... i will not weep for the disappearance of this mode of transport.
Train ferries are not a redundant concept. Yes for certain corridors they will disappear due to the creation of fixed rail links. But not every train ferry route is subject to the threat of a fixed link.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 02:34 PM   #2851
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Are you sure ? My opinion is that those that are reasonably well used will get a fixed link,
and the other ones will disappear.
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Are you sure ? My opinion is that those that are reasonably well used will get a fixed link,
and the other ones will disappear.
Well first of all the various train ferry routes across Europe and the CIS-region are operated by a range of different companies and there is no one single organisation that unites all of these companies that is confirming some kind of policy that relates to the future operations of these connections.

And nor is there everywhere where there is a train ferry a proposal for a fixed link.

Perhaps you have in mind only certain corridors, such as the route between Germany and Sweden and that between the Italian mainland and Sicily?
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Old February 11th, 2015, 02:50 PM   #2853
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The railway tunnel between Finland and Estonia looked to me as a bit unrealistic and very distant, but the project is not dead. According to a new research, this could be profitable.
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The results of a preliminary study show that linking Helsinki and Tallinn with an undersea tunnel would cost 9-13 billion euros, and its payback period would be about 35-40 years, LETA/Postimees Online reports.

On Wednesday in Helsinki, the results of the preliminary study of the feasibility study of the fixed link between Tallinn and Helsinki were presented, which enable to analyse the undersea tunnel and related wider impacts more thoroughly.

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Old February 12th, 2015, 04:44 AM   #2854
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ICE train from Copenhagen on ferry Roedby, Denmark - Puttgarden, Germany.


Do the passengers remain on board the train while it is on the boat, or do they ride in the cabin area?
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Old February 12th, 2015, 05:36 AM   #2855
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The crossing is 45 minutes so they can get off the train if they wish and have a stroll on the deck or go for a coffee or meal in the restaurant area.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 08:16 AM   #2856
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It goes without saying, but tunnels and bridges across the sea are infinitely better than train ferries, so if we get the full set of possible links ie Denmark Sweden, Denmark Germany, Britain France, Finland Estonia, Italy Sicily, Spain Morocco and perhaps even Britain to Ireland, then i will not weep for the disappearance of this mode of transport.
A Sweden-Germany link? No, that is not going to happen unless a vastly cheaper means for building undersea tunnels were developed.

There will be, eventually, a Denmark-Germany Fehmarn link, and perhaps after that a Rostock-Gedser link to connect Scandinavia with Berlin and hinterlands, but a Sweden-Finland link is more likely than a Sweden-Germany link.

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... a Sweden-Finland link is more likely than a Sweden-Germany link.
What makes you say that? Are you thinking that there'll be a fixed link between, say, Turku and Stockholm?

I'm not saying that a rail tunnel between Gedser and Rostock will arise anytime soon, but I can't see any reason why a rail tunnel between Sweden and Finland will be built before a rail tunnel between Sweden and Germany.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 12:13 PM   #2858
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The Finland toEstonia
Iink is political, a bypass of Russia
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Old February 12th, 2015, 12:42 PM   #2859
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The railway tunnel between Finland and Estonia looked to me as a bit unrealistic and very distant, but the project is not dead. According to a new research, this could be profitable.

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It is possible thanks to the favourable surface. More than 2/3 of the tunnel will be in granite. It will be like a subway from Tallinn to Helsinki, but still not one as it will have catenary
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It is possible thanks to the favourable surface. More than 2/3 of the tunnel will be in granite. It will be like a subway from Tallinn to Helsinki, but still not one as it will have catenary

It's about 50km across the Gulf from Finland to Estonia.

It would be the world's longest undersea tunnel.

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