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Old January 5th, 2016, 09:33 PM   #3181
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How so?

Might that render a tunnel to Ireland feasible?
TBMd are more efficient and cheaper to build.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 09:13 AM   #3182
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TBMd are more efficient and cheaper to build.
My friend who works for a company that generates technology and planning for excavating mentioned that tunneling work is one-fifth of the costs compared to just 7 years ago.
Helsinki area is also a bit different with the bedrock being right on the surface and hard granite. Why larger open spaces under ground are plenty in Helsinki.

There are 100 000 Estonians living or working in Finland and the ship rally between Helsinki and Tallinn carries over 8 million passengers, 1.2 million cars every year.
All that said I'm as dubious as anybody else about the plans and it is indeed extremely early days.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 12:35 PM   #3183
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I think the profit estimation is somewhat manipulated. 36 Euros for a half-hour trip? How long does the average Estonian have to work for that? How much are the ferry rides nowadays? I do see some rather empty trains running and ferries going proud, if that (or its equivalent in 10 years) will be charged.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 02:12 PM   #3184
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I think the profit estimation is somewhat manipulated. 36 Euros for a half-hour trip? How long does the average Estonian have to work for that? How much are the ferry rides nowadays? I do see some rather empty trains running and ferries going proud, if that (or its equivalent in 10 years) will be charged.
Quick look via mobile shows that example one way Helsinki-Tallinn via Viking Line XPRS looks to be 26 euros for late evening and 39 euros for early morning. Tallink Silja Line M/S Superstar looks to be 29-39 euros. 19 euros via Eckerö lines M/s Finlandia.

I remember there being talk that at least Viking Line was giving 30% reduction in prices in Estonia compared to Finland.
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Old January 11th, 2016, 04:18 PM   #3185
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Yesterday, I posted a recent travel report about the cross-border TGV Paris - Barcelona.
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The High Speed Trains have replaced the Trenhotel night trains about 2 years ago.











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Old January 14th, 2016, 06:52 PM   #3186
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What is the actual fate of the passenger link between Sofia and Thessaloniki? Interestingly enough, it still exists in Hafas (bahn.de) as a daily connection (IC 361 dep. Sofia at 15:20), but... one way only. Nonsense, Greek and Bulgarian railways do not mention it anywhere on their sites. Being a relict there (supposedly), does this connection have any chances to be re-introduced in the next months?
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Old January 14th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #3187
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I took It last year in May. Essentially two greek cars attached to a bulgarian domestic train, hauled alone over the border, and then attached to a greek IC train from Alexandropoulis for the last step into Athens. Exists in both directions of course. Was mentioned on the OSE Web site last time I checked. Took a lot of pictures, one Day I'll learn how to post them here...

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Old January 14th, 2016, 09:15 PM   #3188
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The Sofia-Salonica train has been back for quite a while. On things like this, do not trust DB's Hamas. The schedule on BDZ: http://p.bdz.bg/r/a/razpisanie-sofii...ofiia-4903.pdf
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Old January 15th, 2016, 11:18 AM   #3189
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The Sofia-Salonica train has been back for quite a while. On things like this, do not trust DB's Hamas. The schedule on BDZ: http://p.bdz.bg/r/a/razpisanie-sofii...ofiia-4903.pdf
And in English on http://www.trainose.gr/en/passenger-...lway-services/
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Old January 19th, 2016, 09:26 PM   #3190
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Lyon – Torino TBM completed
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EUROPE: Tunnelling is expected to get underway towards the end of this summer at Saint-Martin-la-Porte in France on the test bore for the base tunnel planned to carry a high speed line between Lyon and Torino. This will use a 12 m diameter TBM built by NFM Technologies at Le Creusot which was named ‘Federica’ on January 14.

Preparatory works for the project are being undertaken by a consortium of Spie Batignolles (30%), Eiffage (30%) and Italian contractors (40%) under a contract worth €291m. With 450 staff deployed, spending is expected to total €90m in 2016 and €100m in 2017

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Old January 20th, 2016, 12:04 AM   #3191
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57 km? So this tunnel will basically take forever to construct, like others of this size, right?
But its certainly good news and if you don't start building it at some point, it will never become reality.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 02:24 AM   #3192
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I think the optimistic scenario is about 10 more years.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 12:17 PM   #3193
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Despite the high cost and difficulty of the project, it looks very significant for the European high speed rail transportation. It will connect the Italian network to the French, Spanish and German ones. All four biggest Europe´s high speed rail networks will be unified. When it completed you can go on high speed train all the way from Naples to London or to Madrid or to Amsterdam etc. connecting many other important cites in-between like Barcelona, Paris, Lyon, Marseille, Basel, Frankfurt, Brussels, Stuttgart etc. to the major Italian cities like Rome, Turin, Milan and Naples. They should definitely give a boost to this construction with the help of the EE.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 01:30 PM   #3194
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It doesn't connect Italy to Germany
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Old January 20th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #3195
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It doesn't connect Italy to Germany
Neither does it to Spain. But it connects the German and the Spanish network to the Italian one via the french high-speed network. Of course Germany and Spain do not share borders with Italy.
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Despite the high cost and difficulty of the project, it looks very significant for the European high speed rail transportation. It will connect the Italian network to the French, Spanish and German ones. All four biggest Europe´s high speed rail networks will be unified. When it completed you can go on high speed train all the way from Naples to London or to Madrid or to Amsterdam etc. connecting many other important cites in-between like Barcelona, Paris, Lyon, Marseille, Basel, Frankfurt, Brussels, Stuttgart etc. to the major Italian cities like Rome, Turin, Milan and Naples. They should definitely give a boost to this construction with the help of the EE.
In principle you could already run high speed trains from Brussel to Milan, or London to Rome. The biggest obstacles are not the lack of infrastructure, but the lack of will to run such trains...
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Old January 20th, 2016, 05:47 PM   #3197
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Neither does it to Spain. But it connects the German and the Spanish network to the Italian one via the french high-speed network. Of course Germany and Spain do not share borders with Italy.
The Lotschberg base tunnel, Gotthard base tunnel and in the future the Brenner base tunnel will be faster and shorter to every place from Italy to Germany. The relevance of this tunnel for the traffic between these countries is next to none.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 06:12 PM   #3198
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In principle you could already run high speed trains from Brussel to Milan, or London to Rome. The biggest obstacles are not the lack of infrastructure, but the lack of will to run such trains...
How? As far as I know there is no high speed line all the way from Brussels or London to Italy. The point is not to connect for example London to Italy but to connect the Italian cities to the rest of the european network so you can create any kind of high speed service you want depending on the demand. London to Rome maybe it is not that interesting but Milan-Paris, Milan-Barcelona, Rome-Lyon etc. would be very interesting routes.

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The Lotschberg base tunnel, Gotthard base tunnel and in the future the Brenner base tunnel will be faster and shorter to every place from Italy to Germany. The relevance of this tunnel for the traffic between these countries is next to none.
I agree if they will be finished before.
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You make it sound like HS trains could not shift onto conventional rail. They do, all the time, both in France and Italy. TGV from Paris to Milan already exist. At 7 hrs, they can definitely need some additional HS routes to minimize traveling time, but one of the most avoidable hindrances to better traveling times is that TGVs are not allowed onto the HS grid in Italy and thus take an hour longer than an Italian ES (could therefore do Paris-Milan in 6, what could make a big difference to interested travelers). Do not get me wrong, I am not against the tunnel, but what use are the billions for such a project if simple technical problems of interoperability are not addressed too?
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Old January 20th, 2016, 07:12 PM   #3200
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The etr 1000 will be able to go on the french network. then around 4 hours should be possible if this link is completed.
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