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Old June 10th, 2016, 07:33 PM   #3261
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Where exactly? To Austrian border?
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Old June 10th, 2016, 08:46 PM   #3262
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No, to the Hungarian border; see the Slovenian thread.
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 04:48 AM   #3263
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 10:19 AM   #3264
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Last weekend, first time after the war, after 77 lat of no service, the connection between Białystok, PL and Kaunas, LT was initiated.
The stops on Polish side are in Czarna Białostocka, Sokółka, Dąbrowa Białostocka, Augustów, Suwałki and Trakiszki and on Lithuanian side in Mariampol and Kazlu Ruda.
The journey takes 5h one way.

Text in Polish and photos: http://bialystok.wyborcza.pl/bialyst...h-zdjecia.html
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Old June 24th, 2016, 12:26 PM   #3265
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‘Brexit’ will not affect Channel Tunnel, says Eurotunnel
24 Jun 2016



EUROPE: The British vote in favour of leaving the European Union ‘will not affect the activity of the Channel Tunnel concession’, Groupe Eurotunnel said after the referendum result was announced on June 24.

The Channel Tunnel operates under the terms of the 1986 Treaty of Canterbury between the British and French governments, and the UK is not part of the Schengen area so border controls are in place

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Old June 24th, 2016, 04:31 PM   #3266
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But anyway, I guess Deutsche Bahn and other European countries would be thinking twice about going to London now...
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Old June 25th, 2016, 01:34 PM   #3267
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But anyway, I guess Deutsche Bahn and other European countries would be thinking twice about going to London now...
DB had it's plans on hold anyway. I think that this might actually end up good for cross channel services. If the UK has to reintroduce customs checks in st. Pancras it might make sense to move immigration there as well. If all formalities move to the end of the line in London running trains from other places than Brussel or Paris might end up even easier...
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Old June 25th, 2016, 05:04 PM   #3268
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Wasn't the whole point of the current arrangement meant to make sure one really had permission to go to the other side before boarding the train?

The EU might be able to force the UK to move the Brussels and Paris security checks to St. Pancras, but how do you turn away people who aren't allowed in the UK? Put them on the next train back to Lille/Calais?
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Old June 25th, 2016, 05:35 PM   #3269
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Wasn't the whole point of the current arrangement meant to make sure one really had permission to go to the other side before boarding the train?

The EU might be able to force the UK to move the Brussels and Paris security checks to St. Pancras, but how do you turn away people who aren't allowed in the UK? Put them on the next train back to Lille/Calais?
This, pretty much. That's how its done with airlines and ships. Many people were sent back on the next ship from Ellis Island.
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Old June 25th, 2016, 07:07 PM   #3270
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That's expensive to do and according to current laws not possible without appeals etc. Plus what if the person was illegally in France as well? And it's not at all the same for airlines. You have to show a passport or ID card to board an international flight. Try boarding a flight to US without a proper documentation and see how it goes...
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Old June 25th, 2016, 09:16 PM   #3271
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Hey, it was an idea. I had an idea!

Everyone, give me your ideas, your thoughts, your concepts yearning to be expressed!
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Old June 27th, 2016, 01:17 AM   #3272
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That's expensive to do and according to current laws not possible without appeals etc. Plus what if the person was illegally in France as well? And it's not at all the same for airlines. You have to show a passport or ID card to board an international flight. Try boarding a flight to US without a proper documentation and see how it goes...
But it seems, it happens. From what I know, the decision about letting the person to the US is actually taken by the officer at the airport in the US. Someone may have all the legal documents, but he won't be let in for a reason, for example, it will turn out he tries to smuggle some illegal goods to the US.

And how does it work now? The UK isn't in the Schengen anyway and it has its own visa policy, independent of the Schengen visa system.
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Old June 27th, 2016, 09:56 AM   #3273
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That's expensive to do and according to current laws not possible without appeals etc. Plus what if the person was illegally in France as well? And it's not at all the same for airlines. You have to show a passport or ID card to board an international flight. Try boarding a flight to US without a proper documentation and see how it goes...
Sending them back doesn't have to cost much. I'm sure the last Eurostar of the day has plenty of free seats...
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Old June 27th, 2016, 11:44 AM   #3274
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The EU might be able to force the UK to move the Brussels and Paris security checks to St. Pancras, but how do you turn away people who aren't allowed in the UK? Put them on the next train back to Lille/Calais?
This was common practice in many places in Europe not too long ago. I remember people being put on the train by police on the Czech-German border or Austro-Hungarian border prior to Schengen, and from Greece to Rep. Macedonia (back when people were still fleeing to Greece, rather than northwards from there). I am sure the carriers are required to provide space for deportations if someone without proper documentation is caught upon arrival. That is why the whole Eurostar border arrangement is so absurd: with a bit more flexibility, an equally high level of tight borders could be achieved (if one finds that politically desirable, which unfortunately most governments do), only border police would have to leave their comfy office chairs from time to time.
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Old June 27th, 2016, 04:41 PM   #3275
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Last weekend, first time after the war, after 77 lat of no service, the connection between Białystok, PL and Kaunas, LT was initiated.
The stops on Polish side are in Czarna Białostocka, Sokółka, Dąbrowa Białostocka, Augustów, Suwałki and Trakiszki and on Lithuanian side in Mariampol and Kazlu Ruda.
The journey takes 5h one way.
What are you talking about?
There was a sleeper train until 2005: Warsaw-Vilnius via Trakiszi. Wheels were changed near the border.
Further there was a TLK train Warsaw - Sestokai until 2014. Passengers only had to change platform for a Sestokai - Vilnius train.

http://www.seat61.com/warsaw-to-viln...m#.V3EwV_mLRD8

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Old June 28th, 2016, 03:47 AM   #3276
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I doubt France or Belgium will permit UK border controls in their stations if the UK does leave the EU without some sort of EEA agreement
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Old June 28th, 2016, 11:21 AM   #3277
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What are you talking about?
There was a sleeper train until 2005: Warsaw-Vilnius via Trakiszi. Wheels were changed near the border.
Further there was a TLK train Warsaw - Sestokai until 2014. Passengers only had to change platform for a Sestokai - Vilnius train.
I am aware about Warsaw-Sestokai train. What I wrote was a loose translation of a heading from a linked article. It seems it was wrong and I just translated what it said. I think they actually meant normal gauge, without any wheels/bogies change. Then it would be true that it was a first train in 77 years.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 01:23 AM   #3278
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In the end, of course, it will be negative for the channel tunnel or any company trying to make bussiness im UK and the EU. More bureocracy: formalities to exit EU at France, formalities to enter UK, bagagges checks at the station on UK, bagagges checks at the station on France... time lost, less tickets sold... Moreover, forget about direct trains to Lyon (as happens today) or anyplace on the south of France (the planned Bordeaux direct Eurostar or the Amsterdam one) where no customs exist at the stations... Less business oportunities and less tourism for some years due to a part of the potential public being piss off and not wanting to visit the other... And it won't only affect trains... Easyjet won't be able continue flying inside the EU (i.e. Barcelona-Paris), only to or from the UK unless they set a second EU-based company...
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Old June 29th, 2016, 12:54 PM   #3279
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UK was out of the Schengen area, so that passengers will be worse, but neither is there much room for worse more: travelers outside Paris or Brussels (Alps in winter and Blue Coast in summer) have to get off at Lille-Europe (which it is being applied to double its capacity) with their luggage for an hour.

The most important change will be for the goods, so far limited themselves to look immigrants, from now on will be outside the economic space of the European Community: duty and many more procedures.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 01:20 PM   #3280
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Easyjet won't be able continue flying inside the EU (i.e. Barcelona-Paris), only to or from the UK unless they set a second EU-based company.....
Just setting up an EU company is not enough, the company itself must be majority EU owned.
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