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Old September 28th, 2016, 07:29 PM   #3341
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One thing almost all so-called "anti terrorism" measures have in common is that they do not work. They do not work, because they are not required to work. "effective" is never a requirement.

None of the extra security measures that have been taken since 9/11 would have prevented 9/11. (They however have already killed at least 150 people).

There is no way in which this PNR requirement can be implemented. That will not prevent authorities from trying, and claiming that they are doing something for the public's safety.
Indeed everything they have done so far at Midi is an ineffective joke. Inconveniencing real passengers while plenty of loopholes to let the terrorists through. But there are usually 5 camouflaged armoured personnel carriers parked outside so that's ok.

When I was there earlier in the summer there were literally no police around the back entrance checkpoint (couloir sud). When I walked across the road to the new Thalys lounge they were all sitting in there drinking coffee. You couldn't make it up.

Trouble is this time the responsibility will be passed over to the operators, so the authorities can crack the whip on them and I fear we will see the likes of DB just say to hell with it.
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Old September 30th, 2016, 01:35 PM   #3342
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Gare du Nord, Paris



in the refurbished eurostar in gare du Nord Paris





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Old October 1st, 2016, 09:13 PM   #3343
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Izy, the low-cost train by Thalys

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Old October 31st, 2016, 08:34 PM   #3344
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Russian railways to introduce new Moscow-Berlin service

Russian Railways (RZD) is to begin operating a new Moscow to Berlin service in December using variable gauge Talgo trainsets.

At 13:05 on December 17, the new service will leave Moscow for Berlin, arriving 20 hours 14 minutes later. This is four-and-a-half hours faster than the current through service, the Moscow to Paris train.

Initially the service will run on Saturdays and Sundays. The return journey from Berlin leaves at 18:50 and runs on Sundays and Mondays.



The trains have 18 passenger coaches (5 x 2nd class sleepers, 4 x 1st class sleepers, 5 x VIP class with showers and baths, 2 x 1st class seating cars, a buffet and dining car) plus end coaches which have generator sets to power the coaches.

RZD has acquired three trainsets from Patentes Talgo SL for this service. These are articulated 200 km/h coaches with passive tilt. The single axle between each coach has independently rotating wheels and variable-gauge running gear. This enables the train’s gauge to be changed from Russian (1520 mm) to standard (1435 mm) gauge in 20 minutes. It takes at least an hour to change bogies on a conventional train.

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Old October 31st, 2016, 11:25 PM   #3345
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Yeah, nice trains. But while one may save time between Berlin and Moscow, it must be said that the Paris-Moscow services have been reduced from 3 to 1 a week. I do not understand why the Talgo is not allowed to run to Paris?
Also the dates of departure apparently do not make sense (on two consecutive days, then 5 days no train) and to run the trains as twenty wagon coaches seems a bit wishful thinking. RZD we have heard must save money, but I do not know if this is the way to go about it.
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Old November 1st, 2016, 02:16 AM   #3346
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RZD has acquired three trainsets from Patentes Talgo SL for this service. These are articulated 200 km/h coaches with passive tilt. The single axle between each coach has independently rotating wheels and variable-gauge running gear. This enables the train’s gauge to be changed from Russian (1520 mm) to standard (1435 mm) gauge in 20 minutes. It takes at least an hour to change bogies on a conventional train.

While 20 minutes is faster, I was under the impression that such bogie changes could be made "on the fly" thereby negating any dwell time for passengers. I understand the following video is of a high speed trainset but aren't they using Talgo coaches too?

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Old November 1st, 2016, 08:00 PM   #3347
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I suspect a loco change is involved as well.
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Old November 1st, 2016, 08:10 PM   #3348
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What current does Russia use?
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 01:45 AM   #3349
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gauge may be a bigger issue than current.

20 mins is OK, you get that on the Berlin Amsterdam train, its a good chance to stretch the legs, smokers appreciate it and sometimes the shop is open at the station. I don't get upset about it on a 5 hour journey, I don't think anyone will mind it too much on a 20 hour trip.
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 01:56 AM   #3350
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3 kV = and 25 kV 50Hz.

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Old November 2nd, 2016, 02:04 AM   #3351
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I suspect a loco change is involved as well.
Yes of course. None of the rail networks involved own locos that can adapt their axle width. On the Moscow to Berlin trip, the 1520 loco will be detached, then the Talgo rake will go through the gauge changer (either pushed or on its own like in Spain), and then a 1435 loco will be attached.

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Old November 7th, 2016, 12:32 PM   #3352
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Old November 7th, 2016, 02:04 PM   #3353
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Oh my!

I would have thought that they would be able to use them on some new routes, like heavy schedules from Paris to Brussels. Or maybe refit them with bigger seats and run Paris to Barcelona/Madrid.

They can't really be THAT worn out, can they?

Such a sad end for such historic equipment. Hopefully, at least one full set will be preserved.
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Old November 9th, 2016, 02:17 PM   #3354
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Oh my!

I would have thought that they would be able to use them on some new routes, like heavy schedules from Paris to Brussels. Or maybe refit them with bigger seats and run Paris to Barcelona/Madrid.

They can't really be THAT worn out, can they?

Such a sad end for such historic equipment. Hopefully, at least one full set will be preserved.
I travelled to Lille earlier on this year via Eurostar and the inside of the carriages were very worn and would probably need a complete refit. In fact, they hadn't changed that much from when I first used Eurostar to go to Brussels in 2005.
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Old November 9th, 2016, 07:25 PM   #3355
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The Eurostar e320 sets are more than 20 years old and have been used extensively throughout the years. By running at speeds of up to 300 kph, and traversing the warm channel tunnel (even if it's snowing outside), the units have received quite a battering.

A heavy refurbishment is required, but Eurostar decided that replacement of the majority of the fleet is a better investment than an overhaul. A few TGV-TMST units will be retained, but the majority of services will be replaced with the newer - and bigger (150 seats more) - Velaro fleet. The additional capacity allows Eurostar to sell more tickets (and thus increase their revenue) without having to run additional trains.

The National Railway Museum in York has received a Eurostar powercar. They probably won't preserve a full set... where are you going to leave 400 meters of train?
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Old November 10th, 2016, 09:36 AM   #3356
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Oslo-Stockholm will take one more hour in 2017

Today, the fastest journey with X2000 between Oslo and Stockholm takes 4:30 h.



With the new timetable in 2017 the journey will take at least 5 h, some trains even 5:30 h! There will be more departures, but longer trips between Oslo and Stockholm from 2017.



The reason for slowing down the trains is single-track passages on double-track. About 50% of the distance Oslo-Stockholm has single-track.
The additional 30 minutes is spent on the single-track between Charlottenberg and Laxå.

In the new time-table, the train has to stop several times to let other trains pass. This adds extra time to the timetable.
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Are there plans to improve that route, at least? Else, travelling via Gothenburg might seem attractive!
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Old November 10th, 2016, 10:39 AM   #3358
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Are there plans to improve that route, at least? Else, travelling via Gothenburg might seem attractive!
Yes. The Company Oslo-Stockholm AB 2:55 is working together with the local authorities in that area to finance construction of double tracks on the route Karlstad-Kristinehamn.

The problem is Norwegian national politics, which most often prioritize domestic infrastucture over international connections.

There is only one real obstacle for highspeed trains between Oslo and Stockholm: Norwegian and Swedish top politicians.
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Old November 10th, 2016, 04:51 PM   #3359
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I am assuming that they plan to get the travel time down to two hours and fifty-five minutes? That will make the trip superior to air travel, which in turn will lead to explosive growth in traffic.

What needs to be done in order to achieve such travel times? Is the existing alignment straight enough? Do they need new tunnels to bypass curves? Are new signals needed? What about grade separation?

Or do they just need to add a lot of double-tracking within existing alignments?
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Old November 10th, 2016, 10:07 PM   #3360
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Oslo-Stockholm is 416 km in a straight line, so 2:55 would correspond to a sustained speed of 143 km per hour along such a line. That's quite feasible, but the current line is anything but straight. It is meandering, single-tracked and in poor condition.

This project would certainly include Nobelbanan, a connection between (Karlstad-)Kristinehamn and Örebro, but to really get speed a new direct line across the border would be necessary, preferably starting at Ski-Mysen and then either Arvika-Karlstad or Årjäng-Karlstad. That would cost a pretty penny, but would be straight through empty forests, so it shouldn't be too bad.

I made a map a good while ago.
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