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Old August 27th, 2008, 05:35 PM   #321
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Why would you need border controls if you aint crossing a border? Thats the difference.
They're borders between states. 50 of those states happen to be in a tight federation while the other 27 are in a much looser confederation. I'm just saying don't get too hung up on the word "country", which has a very loose, non-political definition.

The passport/ID check is a formality, but it's annoying and slightly arrogant. "Of course you have the right to be here, but we're watching you."
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Old August 28th, 2008, 01:05 AM   #322
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The reasons behind UK not being in Schengen are purely historical and driven by a litle-Englander mentality

Fears about control
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My wife is non-European - it has always been much easier to take her to Uk than to Schengen zone.

Fears about terrorism
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Main source of terrorism used to be Ireland (no passport:visa required). Now it is Islamoc extremists holding British passports

Fears about being flooded with east European immigrants
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They are let in without restriction...

The reasosn Britain does not have Schengen is anti-EU paranoia - nothing else
I stoped "caring" about the tipical British "anti-eu-paranoia" when some old lady over there said to me:

"Portugal ... oh ... I have a summer home near there ... in chipre"

On the other hand ... customs are ... customs and It feals great to have a lovely young lady dessed up in "tipical" indian stile fashion looking for 5 minutes at your ID card and at the pupils of your eyes and then hear someone "caliming" that the barriers at the frontiers are for "keeping" outsiders at check...

1st time I took a trip to Standstead the 2 "dudes" at the X-Ray were ... a) Tipical "turbant" wearer (even the grey beard was present) ... and B) turkish(?) with "flower-vase-hat" and pointy golden soft shoes.
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Old August 28th, 2008, 12:55 PM   #323
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What I don't understand about this whole Nightstar idea is why they wanted to run the trains from regional UK stations into Continental cities. I would have thought that it makes a lot more sense to run night trains out of London into the typical airline destinations, i.e. Madrid, Barcelona, Milan, Munich, Frankfurt etc.

At the moment it is necessary to change from Eurostar into night train in Paris or Brussels. The extra change takes the whole convenience point out of it and it becomes more senseful to do the 5hr Heathrow hassle either at 6am in the morning or from late in the afternoon on a workday to catch a flight for a next day meeting.
I could see the logic. Air traffic is point-to-point, jettisoning the hub-and-spoke mentality dominant in the 1990s, the days of the national carriers. Air travel is inconvenient, but air travel with transfers considerably more so, but for major cities within Europe you don't have transfer anymore. For minor cities you do.

Rail traffic on the other hand is line traffic. On a day journey you don't want it to last more than three or at most four hours, otherwise you take the plane. From Prague I would take train or bus to Berlin, Munich, Vienna, Bratislava, but go to the airport for any other major European city. On a night train you would like to get your 8 hours of sleep or so, you wouldn't want to spend less than 6 hours nor more than 11 hours (the 3-4 hours of day travel reduced by train fatigue).

Airports are inconvenient, but so is spending your night in a bedroom not your own, a bathroom not your own.

Putting all of the above, a regional strategy makes sense. If you live in London and want to go to Frankfurt, Copenhagen, or Milan, you take the morning plane, no question about it. But what if you live in Birmingham or Liverpool? There are no direct morning planes going between these cities, I think, and people getting on from the English cities in the evening could get off in the other European cities in the morning.

But apart from the economic and logistical problems running a night train service, there are other demands. You should get on no earlier than 20:00, no later than 24:00, you should get off no earlier than 06:00, no later than 10:00, and as mentioned the trip should last at least 6 hours and at most 11. This is hard to achieve with regional travel.

Even with a strategy using major cities this is hard. The article mentioned stopping in Amsterdam at 3:30 before going on to Copenhagen and Stockholm (where you would arrive so late as to prefer the two hour direct flight instead). Amsterdam is a nice city, but not when you arrive there 3:30 in the morning.

One solution might be to have a dedicated car for Amsterdam that you disconnect and let the passengers sleep in the station until say 07:00. Things like this has been tried, when they did I've been tempted to travel by train, but all such services I know of have been discontinued. Scandianavia/Sweden has a system where the cities of Stockholm, Oslo, Gothenburg, and Copenhagen/Malmö are connected by night by three trains going to Gothenburg, the middle point in the triangle, and then the cars reconnected into three trains going to Stockholm, Oslo, and Copenhagen in the morning. Not a success as far as I know, maybe related to that I still haven't figured out how to get a ticket, let alone how much that would cost.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 12:54 AM   #324
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Sweden/Norway

In Sweden the SJ state railway has a monopoly if they can run the trains profitable. If they can't any operator can offer to operate with financial support, and the lowest bidder will be given the contract.

However for international trains it is already deregulated, and there is one competitor train, going Oslo-Stockholm. However they are not allowed to sell ticket on domestic streches in Sweden. All sold tickets must be cross-border.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 02:52 PM   #325
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Thanks for that. Where do we find the Specs for the tunnel compliance? If DB did want to run such services, then we might see an ICE 3M mk2! :p
Sorry for not replying. Basically I've got no idea who has the standards details.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 08:42 PM   #326
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I stoped "caring" about the tipical British "anti-eu-paranoia" when some old lady over there said to me:

"Portugal ... oh ... I have a summer home near there ... in chipre"

On the other hand ... customs are ... customs and It feals great to have a lovely young lady dessed up in "tipical" indian stile fashion looking for 5 minutes at your ID card and at the pupils of your eyes and then hear someone "caliming" that the barriers at the frontiers are for "keeping" outsiders at check...

1st time I took a trip to Standstead the 2 "dudes" at the X-Ray were ... a) Tipical "turbant" wearer (even the grey beard was present) ... and B) turkish(?) with "flower-vase-hat" and pointy golden soft shoes.
Firstly, your spelling and grammar are shocking.

Secondly, your post is borderline racist.

Thirdly, your 'point' about a woman having a holiday home in Portugal makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old August 30th, 2008, 02:28 PM   #327
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I think he meant Cyprus with "chipre", which would make much more sense.

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Old August 30th, 2008, 05:57 PM   #328
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Firstly, your spelling and grammar are shocking.

Secondly, your post is borderline racist.

Thirdly, your 'point' about a woman having a holiday home in Portugal makes no sense whatsoever.
Spelling ??? do you even know what quoting marks are ???

How do you presume to know the right spelling of what someone puts inside some quoting marks ???

And about grammar ... FYIO (for your info only), I'm a straight A graduate in english.

Claiming that someone is Borderline racist when the subject one is talking about is "ethnicity" is being completely stupid.

It's all in the "meaning" you put in those tecnicalities ... YOU are the one being a racist since you assume that by detailing some "evident" traits I'm being whatever/racist ... I'm just detailing the cultural diversity found on england.

NOWHERE ELSE on earth have I seen anyone alowed to use his/her homeland (or his/her ancesstors homeland) traditional clothing instead of the "mandatory" uniform of the job ... that is "political correctness" (or racism on a bizzar twisted turn).

About the holidays in portugal ... do you even know where portugal and cyprus are (chipre is a portuguese word for kypros ... cyprus is the english word) ???
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Cyprus (Greek: Κύπρος, Kýpros; Turkish: Kıbrıs), officially the Republic of Cyprus (Greek: Κυπριακή Δημοκρατία, Kypriakḗ Dēmokratía; Turkish: Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti) is a Eurasian island country situated in the eastern Mediterranean south of Turkey, west of the Levant, north of Egypt, and east of Greece.
3500km apart from each other ... but to a "knowledgeable" tourist they are just close to each other in the southern europe specialy when that particular tourist is talking in perfect portuguese accent (being a british) to a foreigner.
That would make Portugal and Britain "Neighbours" since both are just 880km apart from each other.

considering that my previous post was a response about this post by Tallsmurf:

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The reasons behind UK not being in Schengen are purely historical and driven by a litle-Englander mentality

Fears about control
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My wife is non-European - it has always been much easier to take her to Uk than to Schengen zone.

Fears about terrorism
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Main source of terrorism used to be Ireland (no passport:visa required). Now it is Islamoc extremists holding British passports

Fears about being flooded with east European immigrants
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They are let in without restriction...

The reasosn Britain does not have Schengen is anti-EU paranoia - nothing else
I can only "presume" that you either a) never went to britain [I sincerely wish that you are british] or b) have no knowledge about those things like "free speech" and "no second intentions" when speaking about something or even d) are a white british suffering from overusage of "political correctness".
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:45 PM   #329
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Spelling ??? Do you even know what quotation marks are ???

How do you presume to know the right spelling of what someone puts inside some quotation marks ???

And about as for grammar ... FYIO (for your info only), I'm a straight A graduate in English.

Claiming that someone is Borderline racist when the subject one is talking about is "ethnicity" is being completely stupid.

It's all in the "meaning" you put in those technicalities ... YOU are the one being a racist since you assume that by detailing some "evident" traits I'm being whatever/racist ... I'm just detailing the cultural diversity found on in England.

NOWHERE ELSE on Earth have I seen anyone alowed to use his/her homeland's (or his/her ancesstors' homeland's) traditional clothing instead of the "mandatory" uniform of the job ... that is "political correctness" (or racism on in a bizzarre twisted turn).

About the holidays in Portugal ... do you even know where Portugal and Cyprus are (Chipre is a Portuguese word for Kypros ... Cyprus is the english word) ???


3500km apart from each other ... but to a "knowledgeable" tourist they are just close to each other in the Southern Europe, especially when that particular tourist is talking in a perfect Portuguese accent (being a British) to a foreigner.
That would make Portugal and Britain "Neighbours" since both are just 880km apart from each other.

Considering that my previous post was a response about this post by Tallsmurf:



I can only "presume" that you either a) never went have never been to Britain [I sincerely wish that you are British] or b) have no knowledge about those such things like as "free speech" and "no second intentions" when speaking about something or even d) are a white british Briton suffering from overusage over-use of "political correctness".
I give this post a 'C'.
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He can speak more than one language unlike most of British citizens.
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The reasons behind UK not being in Schengen are purely historical and driven by a litle-Englander mentality

Fears about control
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My wife is non-European - it has always been much easier to take her to Uk than to Schengen zone.

Fears about terrorism
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Main source of terrorism used to be Ireland (no passport:visa required). Now it is Islamoc extremists holding British passports

Fears about being flooded with east European immigrants
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They are let in without restriction...

The reasosn Britain does not have Schengen is anti-EU paranoia - nothing else
Very wit remarks. Immigrants are everywhere, workers from EE also. looks like Schengen works better than British customs
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In Sweden the SJ state railway has a monopoly if they can run the trains profitable. If they can't any operator can offer to operate with financial support, and the lowest bidder will be given the contract.

However for international trains it is already deregulated, and there is one competitor train, going Oslo-Stockholm. However they are not allowed to sell ticket on domestic streches in Sweden. All sold tickets must be cross-border.
SJ pretty much has a monopoly within Sweden though, and now they even got most routes to the very north. However starting in 2010 or 2012 their monopoly will end and all will be free to run trains within the country. Though of course track allowance etc will limit this.
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GO BACK to SUBJECT pls. Who cares about grammar.

Project is new routes through chunnel. There are technical solutions also if one day, they want to scan for safety running trains full of containers. I find a bit absurd today now that there is need to develop special trains to go in the tunnel only for terrorist reasons. Terrorism is fought elsewhere, it is fought in minds first.

I can really imagine trains of containers running through tunnel. Schengen is a concept of free mobility for people. Whatever you name it, it will expand, rename it "Exeter" and you will have the UK apply to it with four hands

We need that the tunnel generates money and service, be cost effective, the most trains going through, the better for everybody! So why not direct lines from Germany, Spain, Switzerland to England through tunnel...
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I can only "presume" that you either a) never went to britain [I sincerely wish that you are british] or b) have no knowledge about those things like "free speech" and "no second intentions" when speaking about something or even d) are a white british suffering from overusage of "political correctness".
Well, I've got to say I stand by my point about your spelling and grammar. Yours is quite bizarre.

I accept that you probably weren't intending to come over as borderline racist, you just didnt express your point well enough, which leads back to the sentence above. Note the 'borderline'. Yes, those are quotation marks, which I know exactly how to use, unlike you.

As for Schengen, I cant see us joining it any time soon. Unfortunately we are going the opposite direction in making our borders more secure.
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He can speak more than one language unlike most of British citizens.
Yes, he at least manages to be just about intelligible, which I admire, but it is in a strange style

Theres a reason that English speakers (not just British, see the Yanks, Aussies, Canadians etc. etc.) are on the whole poor at learning other languages: The global 'Lingua Franca'. It's tricky for us!
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How do you presume to know the right spelling of what someone puts inside some quoting marks ???
One would guess that an British person either does actually have a house in a place called "chipre" in Portugal, or said Cyprus when she was being stupid (and so you are mis-quoting). They don't call it "Chipre" outside Portugal, so why would she use the Portuguese word? You either misunderstood her completely, or you are making it up to imply that British people have no idea about Europe and therefore are stupid and can't say anything sensible about Europe (which is what seems to be the case - you stopped "caring" about English "anti-eu-mentality" after this incident).
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And about grammar ... FYIO (for your info only), I'm a straight A graduate in english.
I have an A in German, but can only speak "ein bisein Deutch" and can't spell it at all now (as you can see), as that was a long time ago, and I haven't had cause to use it much since I stopped learning. Grades mean nothing.
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Claiming that someone is Borderline racist when the subject one is talking about is "ethnicity" is being completely stupid.
It read to me as more than borderline. Your A in English is also a rather crap one (just like my one in German), ethnicity is a synonym (ie has the same meaning (well pretty much) of race, and someone who is actually good at English would know that the two are similar things.
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On the other hand ... customs are ... customs and It feals great to have a lovely young lady dressed up in "tipical" Indian stiyle fashion looking for 5 minutes at your ID card and at the pupils of your eyes and then hear someone "caliming" that the barriers at the frontiers are for "keeping" outsiders at check...

1st time I took a trip to Standstead the 2 "dudes" at the X-Ray were ... a) Tiypical "turbant" wearer (even the grey beard was present) ... and B) turkish(?) with "flower-vase-hat" and pointy golden soft shoes.
Firstly, I don't understand these quotes - tipical and typical would be pronounced the same, so if it was said, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference (then again, it's a spelling mistake you seem to always make), and I can't imagine someone saying "turbant", you just misheard turban due to the accent (likely to be a London or Estuary one for a Sikh) (though why they would have to say it, I have no idea - maybe you asked "what's that thing" in a rather rude manner).

On to the more serious things - you seem to be pointing out the irony that those of Turkish or South Asian ethnicity are on the border of the UK "keeping outsiders out". Therefore implying that you seem to be pointing out that 'outsiders' are there keeping other outsiders out.
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It's all in the "meaning" you put in those technicalities ... YOU are the one being a racist since you assume that by detailing some "evident" traits I'm being whatever/racist ... I'm just detailing the cultural diversity found on England.
I think I've shown you have to work at what you say and twist it to come to the conclusion that it's not pushing the limits of racism. You are pointing out differences - you are making a thing of race. If you English is so good, you can actually explain something without leaving the reader in much doubt of what it means - I know mine is often not this good. You sound as if you are backtracking here. You aren't just detailing, you're implying irony, you're implying that there's something wrong about this.
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NOWHERE ELSE on earth have I seen anyone allowed to use his/her homeland (or his/her ancesstors homeland) traditional clothing instead of the "mandatory" uniform of the job ... that is "political correctness" (or racism on a bizzar twisted turn).
It's not racist, it's freedom to wear whatever they want. If they were white, European looking and wearing jeans and a shirt, then you wouldn't have had a problem. I'm not a fan of PC or this freedom they should be wearing uniforms like all our other border controls, however they have a right to wear turbans (given by the European Convention on Human Rights) and other religious items (providing that they don't get in the way of the uniform, like a burqa). Beards and stuff are also allowed, or should we be PC and ban them as women can't grow decent ones?

You are making a huge thing about race and the fact that these people look and dress differently - it may not have been your intention to be racist, however your English style and the content of your post read to natives as being racist, or pushing the limits.

If I had said, "I went to Norway and there was a black guy there on immigration control trying to keep outsiders out" and that was basically the sum total of my post, it makes no sense unless it's making an underhand racist comment about the black person being an outsider and you are enjoying the irony. Either your post made no sense (very likely) or was racist.
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I've never seen a British passport officer wearing a uniform. They used to be ordinary Home Office civil servants, but I think that they're supposed to have uniforms now that they're part of the Border and Immigration Agency or Border Agency or whatever it's called. Customs officers, who are entirely separate, do wear uniforms. X-Ray machines at UK airports are operated by private security staff, so uniform and dress rules are up to the individual company.
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I give this post a 'C'.
try being a "leftie" with a broken left wrist at age 10 , since a violent car accident age 21 I'm a total dilexic (I change words in letters and don't even know it while reading) ... hell ... I'm just happy to be alive and don't give me crap about bad spelling on the internet.

(even this post can probably/certainly be full of tipo's for what I know)


I can miss-spell in some 20 or 30 different languages (wich totals some hundreds of localized dialects) ... can you say the same for yourself ??? If yes good for you ... if no shame on you.

Now one even has to take som "political-correct" grammar corrections from a homophobic racist when in his country they don't even translate a foreign country's name correctly ???

It's Kypros so everyone else's translation is incorrect ... keep whinning if you want.

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Well, I've got to say I stand by my point about your spelling and grammar. Yours is quite bizarre.

I accept that you probably weren't intending to come over as borderline racist, you just didnt express your point well enough, which leads back to the sentence above. Note the 'borderline'. Yes, those are quotation marks, which I know exactly how to use, unlike you.

As for Schengen, I cant see us joining it any time soon. Unfortunately we are going the opposite direction in making our borders more secure.
Re-read the topic ... and I used my " " pretty well.

You are using single ' ' as a rule like british do ... Since I learned english from an american teacher I tend to use more americanized english wich bases itself on double quotation marks " ".

To start correcting other peoples grammar and spelling you better learn ALL of english language regional variations first.

And consider yourself lucky that I actualy can speak proper english ... imagine if I were to start flamming you in a language unkpnown to you because I simply didn't liked the result from the online translation of your response (there's a large portion of the userbase of SSC that can't speak "cambridge/oxford/whatever" english and relies on translations) ... to came crashing on a foreign language speaker for grammar errors ... shame on you.


Back on topic:

There are 2 misleading "assumptions" about Britain:

i) everyone in britain if fearfull(?) of immigration/violence/whatever fanatism ???

ii) britain is completely multicultural ... who is ever right to assume that one extreme position by any given "ethnic" group can count as a majority rule decision ...


Britain simply had no voluntary wish to be "inside" shengen until now ... they seem to still have no wish to be inside in the near future.

Considering that it is an island country and that most (if not all) of its connections to the mainland involve some degree of security prevention ... what is the difference between "free passage" with or without passport control ???

And by the way ... there is not even "ID cards" in the UK.
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One would guess that an British person either does actually have a house in a place called "chipre" in Portugal, or said Cyprus when she was being stupid (and so you are mis-quoting). They don't call it "Chipre" outside Portugal, so why would she use the Portuguese word? You either misunderstood her completely, or you are making it up to imply that British people have no idea about Europe and therefore are stupid and can't say anything sensible about Europe (which is what seems to be the case - you stopped "caring" about English "anti-eu-mentality" after this incident).I have an A in German, but can only speak "ein bisein Deutch" and can't spell it at all now (as you can see), as that was a long time ago, and I haven't had cause to use it much since I stopped learning. Grades mean nothing.It read to me as more than borderline. Your A in English is also a rather crap one (just like my one in German), ethnicity is a synonym (ie has the same meaning (well pretty much) of race, and someone who is actually good at English would know that the two are similar things.
Firstly, I don't understand these quotes - tipical and typical would be pronounced the same, so if it was said, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference (then again, it's a spelling mistake you seem to always make), and I can't imagine someone saying "turbant", you just misheard turban due to the accent (likely to be a London or Estuary one for a Sikh) (though why they would have to say it, I have no idea - maybe you asked "what's that thing" in a rather rude manner).

On to the more serious things - you seem to be pointing out the irony that those of Turkish or South Asian ethnicity are on the border of the UK "keeping outsiders out". Therefore implying that you seem to be pointing out that 'outsiders' are there keeping other outsiders out.
I think I've shown you have to work at what you say and twist it to come to the conclusion that it's not pushing the limits of racism. You are pointing out differences - you are making a thing of race. If you English is so good, you can actually explain something without leaving the reader in much doubt of what it means - I know mine is often not this good. You sound as if you are backtracking here. You aren't just detailing, you're implying irony, you're implying that there's something wrong about this.
It's not racist, it's freedom to wear whatever they want. If they were white, European looking and wearing jeans and a shirt, then you wouldn't have had a problem. I'm not a fan of PC or this freedom they should be wearing uniforms like all our other border controls, however they have a right to wear turbans (given by the European Convention on Human Rights) and other religious items (providing that they don't get in the way of the uniform, like a burqa). Beards and stuff are also allowed, or should we be PC and ban them as women can't grow decent ones?

You are making a huge thing about race and the fact that these people look and dress differently - it may not have been your intention to be racist, however your English style and the content of your post read to natives as being racist, or pushing the limits.

If I had said, "I went to Norway and there was a black guy there on immigration control trying to keep outsiders out" and that was basically the sum total of my post, it makes no sense unless it's making an underhand racist comment about the black person being an outsider and you are enjoying the irony. Either your post made no sense (very likely) or was racist.
You (and others here) clearly missinterpreter my entire post.

Chipre is like we in iberia (portugal + spain) call the tiny dual country island in eastern mediterraneum ... and actualy the woman could speak fluently in portuguese , spanish and greek.

And that's the hole point ... there is "no" mainstream anti-EU-mentality over there ... or at least it doens't seem to be a major current of opinion in the UK ... they simply don't eve ncare about EU enough to be against it.



And you can forget the crap you said about any "atempted"/"assumed" intention that I had on my previous post ... simply there is no "concept" of in/out in the UK nowadays (it's actualy one of the most globalized countries in the world).

sidenotice: About the wrongly written words (to you) ... try to speak in 3 or 4 different languages in sucessive posts (here in SSC) and see if you don't get flammed ... turban ... to me it's turbante (in portuguese) ... I didn't even translate it to uk.english ... well ... my bad.
The point is that people sometimes read the news and think that there's a big problem but in the end it's just the "tipical" british press overblowing things ... "freedom" (your words and not mine) is much more "free" in the UK than in mainland europe (if you get what I'm saying here).



Don't claim ethnicity and racism are synonims here because if you start that they you open a can of worms ... ethnicity has no "derrogatory"/"depreciative" background atached to it.

atleast not in the english language newcasts that we get here (aljazeera , cnn , bbc , sky , etc).


And to sum it all up ... You are entirely correct in your assumption of the correctness of what you claim that I intended to say in my previous post.

You think whatever you want to think about what you want to think you read in others peoples posts ...


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The reasons behind UK not being in Schengen are purely historical and driven by a litle-Englander mentality

Fears about control
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My wife is non-European - it has always been much easier to take her to Uk than to Schengen zone.

Fears about terrorism
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Main source of terrorism used to be Ireland (no passport:visa required). Now it is Islamoc extremists holding British passports

Fears about being flooded with east European immigrants
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They are let in without restriction...

The reasosn Britain does not have Schengen is anti-EU paranoia - nothing else
if you re-read my entire post in the context of the "discussion" going around here ... you might get some light.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 03:15 AM   #340
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GO BACK to SUBJECT pls. Who cares about grammar.

Project is new routes through chunnel. There are technical solutions also if one day, they want to scan for safety running trains full of containers. I find a bit absurd today now that there is need to develop special trains to go in the tunnel only for terrorist reasons. Terrorism is fought elsewhere, it is fought in minds first.

I can really imagine trains of containers running through tunnel. Schengen is a concept of free mobility for people. Whatever you name it, it will expand, rename it "Exeter" and you will have the UK apply to it with four hands

We need that the tunnel generates money and service, be cost effective, the most trains going through, the better for everybody! So why not direct lines from Germany, Spain, Switzerland to England through tunnel...
For "terrorist" of for "security" reasons ??? different things ...
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