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Old May 9th, 2017, 09:05 PM   #3481
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The high Eurostar prices are due to the fees (canons), these are from 2011:



London St. Pancras-Folkestone: 109 km x 43.48 = 4,739.32
Eurotunnel: 50 km x 397.91 = 19,895.50
Calais-Fréthun-Antoing Junction: 112 km x 14.77 = 1,654.24
Antoing Junction-Brussels: 89 km x 7.35 = 654.15
Total: € 26,943.21 per train, between 782 seats are € 34.45.

But those accounts are with the full train, with a use of 65% would be € 53 per passenger only for the fees.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 12:19 PM   #3482
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If the trainset had residual value, they would be sold to SNCF to become part of OuiGo fleeet.
No way ! Remember that Sncf had already scrapped their own Eurostar "NoL" (north of London, the trainsets that were supposed to go to Manchester for example) that were used on the Paris-Lille Europe TERGV services.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 12:34 PM   #3483
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All historical railway companies make damn sure that new ones cannot access to cheap high speed rolling stock.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 01:01 PM   #3484
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Interested in travelling to Russia visa-free by train? No way, unless you are a citizen of selected Latin American or non-EU European countries. Or unless... you are a soccer fan.

Good news for those who head for the 2017 FIFA Confederations Cup in June this year. Visa-free traveling to Russia will be possible only on board the Allegro fast train from Helsinki to St. Petersburg and only after having registered a personalized Fan ID. The tournament ticket and Fan ID entitles to travel visa free during the Confederations Cup and cross the border up to 10 days before the first match.

More details on the Valtion Rautatiet website (nay, it's only VR Group nowadays).

How about granting the train travellers visa exemptions on the other occasions as well?
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Old May 10th, 2017, 01:52 PM   #3485
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How about granting the train travellers visa exemptions on the other occasions as well?
How about doing the same for the Russian travellers?

It's done mostly on reciprocity principle. And anyway, getting Russian visa for an average EU citizen is significantly easier than getting Schengen visa for an average Russian citizen.

So, please ask your politicians. We'are asking ours (as far as they allow us), and they are not against it, but they'll never do it unilaterally.

I can only hope that someday we can travel the world without any visas at all.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 02:02 PM   #3486
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they'll never do it unilaterally.
Sometimes it just pays off (strictly economically), as has been the case with several tourism earnings-hungry countries in Europe and around the world.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 02:04 PM   #3487
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Visa-free between Russia and EU countries will not happen as, for reasons beyond the scope of this thread, there are some categories of Russian citizens who are banned from traveling to EU countries since 2014. Some of these travel bans are name-specific so easy to enforce, others are directed towards categories of government officials, and I don't see how border staff or airline employees could make such verifications to prevent people from banned categories coming to EU altogether.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 03:13 PM   #3488
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Sometimes it just pays off (strictly economically), as has been the case with several tourism earnings-hungry countries in Europe and around the world.
Yes, but tourism brings very insignificant part of income for Russia (about 1.5% of GDP, 164th place among all countries).

Sometimes visa-free visiting programs can be instigated by some cities or regions where tourism has more impact. For example, you can visit Saint-Petersburg without a visa for 3 days on a cruise ship (including regular ferries to Helsinki, Tallinn and Stockholm - last time when I had used one it was crowded with Europeans visiting St. Petersburg visa-free). The city fights for expanding this program for other means of transportation, but no success yet.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 03:50 PM   #3489
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Yes, but tourism brings very insignificant part of income for Russia
A pity, isn't it? Even if not being the main reason, visas might have influenced this ("there are so many visa-free alternatives, why should we bother" etc.)
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St. Petersburg (...) fights for expanding this program for other means of transportation, but no success yet.
Why not starting with trains?
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Old May 10th, 2017, 04:26 PM   #3490
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Interested in travelling to Russia visa-free by train? No way, unless you are a citizen of selected Latin American or non-EU European countries. Or unless... you are a soccer fan.

Good news for those who head for the 2017 FIFA Confederations Cup in June this year. Visa-free traveling to Russia will be possible only on board the Allegro fast train from Helsinki to St. Petersburg and only after having registered a personalized Fan ID. The tournament ticket and Fan ID entitles to travel visa free during the Confederations Cup and cross the border up to 10 days before the first match.

More details on the Valtion Rautatiet website (nay, it's only VR Group nowadays).

How about granting the train travellers visa exemptions on the other occasions as well?
It says here free train travel for ticket holders, btw - https://tickets.transport2018.com/free-train/schedule
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Old May 10th, 2017, 06:01 PM   #3491
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Some of these travel bans are name-specific so easy to enforce, others are directed towards categories of government officials, and I don't see how border staff or airline employees could make such verifications to prevent people from banned categories coming to EU altogether.
There are probably thousands of non-EU citizens who are barred from entering Schengen EU, but have a citizenship of a non-EU country which has a visa waiver agreement with Schengen EU. A central Schengen database can be accessed from each external Schengen border check station.
If not caught by the airline, these people will be turned back at the first external Schengen border check station.

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Visa-free between Russia and EU countries will not happen as, for reasons beyond the scope of this thread, there are some categories of Russian citizens who are banned from traveling to EU countries since 2014.
No!
The reason why there won't be a visa free regime in place between Schengen-EU and Russia anytime soon, is
1. no political will on the Schengen EU side to do so (Russia is not regarded a friend, whereas, Ukraine and Georgia are).
2. Schengen EU have fears of illegal migration and crime from Russia
3. Russia reciprocates the Schengen EU rules

btw: The EU is not deciding on a visa free regime. It is complicated. The EU cannot impose visa rules on an EU country like Ireland.
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Old May 10th, 2017, 07:19 PM   #3492
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There are probably thousands of non-EU citizens who are barred from entering Schengen EU, but have a citizenship of a non-EU country which has a visa waiver agreement with Schengen EU. A central Schengen database can be accessed from each external Schengen border check station.
If not caught by the airline, these people will be turned back at the first external Schengen border check station.



No!
The reason why there won't be a visa free regime in place between Schengen-EU and Russia anytime soon, is
1. no political will on the Schengen EU side to do so (Russia is not regarded a friend, whereas, Ukraine and Georgia are).
2. Schengen EU have fears of illegal migration and crime from Russia
3. Russia reciprocates the Schengen EU rules

btw: The EU is not deciding on a visa free regime. It is complicated. The EU cannot impose visa rules on an EU country like Ireland.
EU cannot impose participation on Schengen but it surely can negotiate visa-free agreements valid for the whole block. And it has done so several times.
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Old June 5th, 2017, 12:46 PM   #3493
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Alleo

SNCF/DB – ten years of high speed
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Their joint subsidiary Alleo, created in 2007, has since transported 16 million passengers between Paris, Munich, Stuttgart, and Frankfurt. Journeys that have saved 283,000 tonnes of C02 compared to the plane.
For instance, best times include 3 hours 38 for Paris-Frankfurt and 3 hours 08 for Stuttgart-Paris.”

New destinations for 2017 are Paris-Berlin, -Hamburg and -Heidelberg; Frankfurt-Bordeaux; and Stuttgart-Montpellier.

Also, from 2-10 June, 10,000 tickets per market (20,000 in total) will go on sale costing a special 29 euro rate for 2nd Class, 39 euros for 1st. They will be valid from 19 June to 30 September.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 07:50 PM   #3494
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Eurostar stopt niet op Schiphol door paspoort- en veiligheidscontrole

The Eurostar service London-Amsterdam will not be serving Schiphol Airport. There's no room for the security features, necessary due to the UK's non-Schengen demands.
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Old June 6th, 2017, 10:21 PM   #3495
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I think it makes sense given the platform make-up and security needs.

I wonder if they'll give it back to the timetable (PR gain) or padding (recovery gain).

Is it stopping at Antwerp? Or just Rotterdam after Brussels?
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Old June 6th, 2017, 11:42 PM   #3496
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I think it makes sense given the platform make-up and security needs.

I wonder if they'll give it back to the timetable (PR gain) or padding (recovery gain).

Is it stopping at Antwerp? Or just Rotterdam after Brussels?
Eurostar will only serve Rotterdam C. and Amsterdam C.
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Old June 7th, 2017, 10:04 AM   #3497
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Eurostar will only serve Rotterdam C. and Amsterdam C.
I think it is going to be calling at Antwerp Central too. There is no reason not to do so. None of the stations are compliant with the UK security standards and all passengers on the inbound services are going to alight at Calais for 30 minutes or 1 hour for security checks.
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Old June 7th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #3498
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You probably missed the news. Security lounges will be built at Rotterdam C. and Amsterdam C. It was reported passengers boarding at Schiphol would be kept separate and have to get off at Brussels for checks, but they seemed to have cancelled that whole concept. They could very well skip Antwerp as there is no room for security there either and it's a less important destination from London. From there reaching Brussels is easy. And remember that London-Amsterdam is the third busiest European international air route.

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I believe they ditched the "get-out-in-Bruxelles-Midi-and-re-check" concept for passengers embarking in Schiphol because it is just faster to have then take the first previous IC Direct to Rotterdam, to all formalities there, and then have the train sped up a bit by reducing dwelling time in Bruxelles-Midi
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Old June 7th, 2017, 06:20 PM   #3500
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Interesting! So it will be as per Paris or Brussels. Nice.

Also would hope for shorter journey times as all projections were with Antwerp and Schipol stops, historically - or splits in Brussels for Cologne etc
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