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Old June 25th, 2017, 11:40 PM   #3521
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I'd never tried multi country connections like that and would probably be too cautious to try... As for Copenhagen to Hamburg one day in a not too far future it will be a premium route taking 3 h or so when the bridge and all the associated upgrades are complete.

I'm not expecting a revival of a grand cross Europe train travel (flying is too cheap and frequent), but serious optimisation to get to the neighbouring country fast and on time would be welcome. In the Swiss context it would mean reliable and frequent trains to Milan and with such a timetable that you can easily transfer to HS trains further South and actually believe 15-20 min connection time. Also Zurich-Munich upgrade is decades overdue...
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Old June 26th, 2017, 06:04 AM   #3522
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Was it a single ticket just for a few trains, or a few separate tickets?
Actually it is immaterial if it's multiple tickets or not. The regulations say that if you miss a train "due to a fault of the railway" you are entitled to travel on the next one available.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 06:11 AM   #3523
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I'm not expecting a revival of a grand cross Europe train travel (flying is too cheap and frequent), but serious optimisation to get to the neighbouring country fast and on time would be welcome. In the Swiss context it would mean reliable and frequent trains to Milan and with such a timetable that you can easily transfer to HS trains further South and actually believe 15-20 min connection time.
It is for this reason that the SBB wants to get the Zürich - Milan trains below 3 hours. But for that several things are still needed:
- the Ceneri Base tunnel needs to be finished.
- RFI needs to make a fast path available for the EC trains.

What I would like to see (and with the Giruno's this might become possible) is for SBB to extend some of the EC's south. For example to Genoa and the Cinque Terre, and the Adriatic coast, and Trenitalia could extend a few Rome - Milan services to Zürich.

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Yes, but it is now finally happening.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 01:08 PM   #3524
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What I would like to see (and with the Giruno's this might become possible) is for SBB to extend some of the EC's south. For example to Genoa and the Cinque Terre, and the Adriatic coast, and Trenitalia could extend a few Rome - Milan services to Zürich.
Just noticed there is a Geneva - Venice EC in the early morning. But mostly, all trains must terminate in Milan, which definitely makes rail connections less attractive. I wonder though if this is not more SBB's fault. They seem so overprotective of letting any delays spill over onto their network from other countries. Most incoming ICEs and TGVs in Basel have some obligatory stopovers of 12 minutes or more, which seem to serve no other purpose (or maybe also to make them conform to some slots that are not harmonized with their slots in other countries).
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Old June 26th, 2017, 03:08 PM   #3525
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Actually it is immaterial if it's multiple tickets or not. The regulations say that if you miss a train "due to a fault of the railway" you are entitled to travel on the next one available.
I know that, but I meant the thing of getting the reimbursement.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 04:20 PM   #3526
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I have heard - no idea how much truth is in it - that the Dutch trains are never delayed. A delay of a few minutes is already unusual.
Well, trains in the Netherlands go quite often, through country trains go like twice an hour being complemented by shorter connections to 4 fast trains / hour between all main cities. There are also local trains that stop on every station/stop and adding them into the mix we have 8 trains / hour onto most lines.
With such a tight schedule big delay is not possible, trains get canceled quite often though. I have used local trains in the Netherlands at least twice a day for more than two years and about half of them was delayed about 5 minutes.

Very characteristic to Dutch railroad is its big dependency on the weather. In fall the problem are leaves on tracks and trains get canceled, in winter it might be snow - even few cm is enough to cancel more than half trains. In summer it might be hot temperature and bending tracks or anything else
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Old June 26th, 2017, 04:49 PM   #3527
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Don't you have regulations there about the minimum distance of the tracks from trees?

In Poland, the leaves on tracks in the autumn are a problem for trams, but trains do not typically suffer from them, just because there is no trees next to the tracks.

Which would be a problem (sometimes it anyway is) when there are strong winds - a falling tree may block the tracks and damage the catenary.

The problem the trains have in winter here is not snow (why should it be a problem with so frequent trains as in the Netherlands? the tracks will be anyway clean of snow because of the passing trains), but, sometimes, ice on the catenary. Ice is not conductive, so it causes sparks between the catenary and the pantograph. The catenary may get burned and broken, or the train just cannot receive enough power.

But it usually occurs when it's not snowing, but raining, and the temperature is below 0 degrees Celsius.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 07:08 PM   #3528
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Don't you have regulations there about the minimum distance of the tracks from trees?

We do, but a lot of trees were there before the regulations came into force. ProRail (the infrastructure manager) does tend to vegetation. When trees form a danger to the railway, they are felled.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 08:17 PM   #3529
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What I would like to see (and with the Giruno's this might become possible) is for SBB to extend some of the EC's south. For example to Genoa and the Cinque Terre, and the Adriatic coast, and Trenitalia could extend a few Rome - Milan services to Zürich.
Is it technically possible for the current Frecciarossa trains to travel all the way to Zurich?
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Old June 26th, 2017, 08:25 PM   #3530
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The Frecciarossa 1000 fleet is technically capable of operating under all 4 voltages used in the EU (25 kV AC, 15 kV AC, 3 kV DC and 1.5 kV AC), so that's not an issue. Train safety systems might need to be installed though.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 08:52 PM   #3531
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No, both the ETR 400 (the new Frecciarossa) and ETR 500 can only run under 25 kV AC and 3 kV DC (and maybe also 1,5 kV DC with reduced power).

The only trains Trenitalia owns which are able to run both under 15 kV AC and the two Italian systems are the ETR 610, which are just 7 and once used on Frecciargento services. Now they run on Italy-Switzerland ECs, but no more on Italuan HSLs. When they were ordered it was planend to run Zürich-Roma trains, and even Zürich-Torino, but these services were never run.

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Just noticed there is a Geneva - Venice EC in the early morning.
There is also the 6.09 Zürich to Venice EC, returning in the afternoon (at 15.20 from Venice), but only Saturday and Sunday (the other days it only runs to/from Milano).

This train might become daily from December 2017, when a Frankfurt>Gotthard>Milano + Milano>Simplon>Frankfurt train will be added (to make every city happy, they decided to run it one way on different lines in different directions...).

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(or maybe also to make them conform to some slots that are not harmonized with their slots in other countries)
That's the main reason.

(and no, impacting dozens of other trains to make a single train passenger's happy with a faster path is not a good idea)
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Old June 26th, 2017, 09:01 PM   #3532
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We do, but a lot of trees were there before the regulations came into force. ProRail (the infrastructure manager) does tend to vegetation. When trees form a danger to the railway, they are felled.
Well. We had an opposite case, concerning a more tram-like commuter rail in Warsaw - the WKD. It operates as a railway, so those regulations apply to it too. And to satisfy them, they wanted to cut out 2 thousands of trees less than 15 metres to its tracks. Which was not good as it passes literally through centers of towns more like a tram. Many trees being natural monuments or in city parks were endangered. There were social actions against cutting those trees and, luckily, they ended up successfully, with a change of the law.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 09:02 PM   #3533
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The Frecciarossa 1000 fleet is technically capable of operating under all 4 voltages used in the EU (25 kV AC, 15 kV AC, 3 kV DC and 1.5 kV AC), so that's not an issue. Train safety systems might need to be installed though.
I thought the next batch of Freccuarossa 1000 trains was going to be certified for several countries, as Trenitalia apparently has rediscovered that Italy isn't an island :-)

Zurich - Rome looks like a good candidate here.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 09:35 PM   #3534
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The signpost also says Bucuresti below.
I know, but it's contradictory.

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"Istanbul - Sofia Express" is the name of the train, which doesn't have to refer to the real relation of the train (pointed on the sign below). Although it's weird.
Why would an Istanbul–Bucharest train be called "Istanbul–Sofia Express"?
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Old June 26th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #3535
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Because it did traditionally go to Sofia. You may ask in the same way, why is the Dakar race called Dakar even though it doesn't start nor end in Dakar and it's actually organized on a different continent now.

But it's misleading in fact. They shouldn't do it so.
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Old June 27th, 2017, 12:50 AM   #3536
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Wait, Istanbul–Sofia trains still exist.
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Old June 27th, 2017, 01:26 AM   #3537
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Then it's even more misleading.

From what I read, that the main train is Sofia-Istanbul, and it gets the carriages from Bucharest added to it in Dimitrovgrad in Bulgaria (not to mistake with Dimitrovgrad in Serbia, it has nothing to do with this train), only in summer. Maybe this is the reason why they call the whole train Sofia-Istanbul Express.
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So I found some pics of a TMST abandoned on some rail yard.
Can someone explain why it is abandoned ?







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The majority of the original Eurostar TMST fleet is being sent to the scrapheap as they've fulfilled their duties and newer trains have taken over their jobs. It looks like this train has already been stripped of its useful parts (such as monitors), so it's possibly awaiting its appointment with the cutting torch.
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 11:30 AM   #3540
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So I found some pics of a TMST abandoned on some rail yard.
Can someone explain why it is abandoned ?

That is a very sad and undignified end for such an iconic train . It looks like something from a post apocalyptic film. They still look pretty modern now, especially as the UK are still using trains nearly twice as old as this in regular mainline service.
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