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Old October 2nd, 2017, 10:59 PM   #3641
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Old October 2nd, 2017, 11:03 PM   #3642
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But... shouldn't this information be rather placed in the new thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=2033559 ?
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Old October 8th, 2017, 05:48 PM   #3643
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It was quite a shameful performance by ÖBB (Austrian Railways).
Instead of letting their sleeping and couchette car passengers sleep until the next morning, they have kicked out all passengers in the middle of the night in Frankfurt. Apparently all lines north and east of Frankfurt were closed due to the storm Xavier. I doubt that. This happened on the EuroNight Nightjet train Zurich - Hamburg.

Entering the train in Offenburg:





My Economy Double Sleeping Car compartment:





















At 2am at Frankfurt/Main Hbf the journey ended abruptly.





Cleared out EuroNight train at Frankfurt:













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Old October 8th, 2017, 06:10 PM   #3644
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Rather by Deutsche Bahn. The situation took place in Germany. So I believe, the train staff was from DB from the German border. Plus it was rather the DB who didn't let the train stay in the platforms till the morning.
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Old October 8th, 2017, 06:58 PM   #3645
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So I believe, the train staff was from DB from the German border.
The trains staff is from OEBB/newrest. It usually does not change at the border.
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Old October 8th, 2017, 07:28 PM   #3646
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I read about it. It seems ÖBB knew they would never make it to hamburg, took off nonetheless and was eager to turn about and head back the same night "for logistic reasons". The report I read though says passengers were kicked out in Nuremberg (as your picture would suggest), far south of where the rail lines were closed down. This indeed looks like a purely profit-oriented decision.
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Old October 8th, 2017, 07:40 PM   #3647
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I suppose those "logistic reasons" were such that their train for the opposite direction could not return from the north because of the disruptions, so otherwise they would have to totally cancel it. And in such a situation, they were able to carry the passengers further on e.g. with buses, the same ones which brought the passengers from the opposite directions from the area with blocked railway traffic...
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Old October 8th, 2017, 07:51 PM   #3648
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A vlogger who makes cycling videos is traveling with road bike through Europe . Apparently it is quite a patchwork of regulations to take your bike from Sweden to Germany.

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Old October 8th, 2017, 09:18 PM   #3649
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And in such a situation, they were able to carry the passengers further on e.g. with buses, the same ones which brought the passengers from the opposite directions from the area with blocked railway traffic...
Sorry, but there were no replacement buses for the stranded passengers.
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Old October 8th, 2017, 11:20 PM   #3650
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How much time after the disturbances appeared was it?

If it was immediately, or on the same day, I can understand lack of buses. A big number of railway routes was closed and it's not easy to organize them so quickly. But with time, certainly a situation should be reached when the replacement bus service operates. Less closed routes + more time to organize those buses.

Anyway, the passengers could just take a line bus if only any was departing in the direction they wanted, and then apply for a reimbursement from the railway.

If it had free seats, of course.
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Old October 8th, 2017, 11:48 PM   #3651
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@Kpc21, in the video is stated clearly that passengers took an ICE train at 7 AM. it was nasty that they were thrown out of the train at 2 AM and had to wait in the station until 7 AM, instead of being let to sleep in the train cars... I highly doubt a bus service would have left Frankfurt Hbf. between 2-7 AM towards Hamburg. There would hav ebeen no discussion if the passengers would just have left been to sleef until morning, considering that the train was in the station all this time...
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Old October 9th, 2017, 12:02 AM   #3652
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If it was in the station all the time (it didn't depart in the opposite direction "for logistic reasons"), then indeed they should have let the passengers sleep further on.

But then the fault is from the side of the DB who didn't let the train stay in the platform.

And I don't think the train traffic at night was so big that blocking the platform was a big problem.

I checked and there is a line bus from Frankfurt to Hamburg at 2:50. But it's even just now booked out for tomorrow, so it's not likely that in face of so big problems with the railway traffic (so an increased number of passengers in buses) the passengers of this train were able to book tickets for this bus.

The next bus connection to Hamburg is at 3:45 with a transfer (and an hour waiting) in Cologne. But then the passengers arrive at Hamburg at 14:15, so it would make more sense just to wait for the 7:00 train. It arrives at Hamburg at 10:35, so it's anyway even sooner than the 2:50 bus.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:46 AM   #3653
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ÖBB claims the train was standing in the station until 5 am with people able of staying there until then. At 5 am the train had to clear the platform due to beginning rush hour and passangers had to leave in time before that.

Is that wrong?

PS: Flying isn't necessarily much better as flights can be cancelled on rather short notice due to all sorts of reasons as well.
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Old October 15th, 2017, 10:22 AM   #3654
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A vlogger who makes cycling videos is traveling with road bike through Europe . Apparently it is quite a patchwork of regulations to take your bike from Sweden to Germany.
Why ? The only regulations are that you cant bring your bicycle on some regional trains at rush hour, because lack of space. Also IC-trains will not take bicycles unless you transport them in a bag.
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Old October 15th, 2017, 01:36 PM   #3655
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Well, I once read a blog of a German person who is often travelling between Warsaw a Berlin. Along with a bike.

The problem is that the Berlin-Warsaw train should have a coach with place for bicycles, but since the Polish railways are often on a shortage of correct coaches, or just because of organizational mess, it is often replaced by a standard coach.

So, if he - having a ticket for his bike - was boarding the train in Warsaw, and there was no coach with place for bikes, the Polish conductor was always allowing him to carry the bike in the front vestibule of the first coach or in the rear vestibule of the last coach.

But if he boarded the train in Berlin, then, in such situations, the conductors often didn't allow him to take the bike with him...

That's not the end of the story. There were cases, in which he, travelling from Warsaw to Berlin, was being thrown out from the train in Frankfurt Oder (the station on which the train staff changes from the Polish to the German one)... Even though he had a ticket for himself, as well as for his bike, for the whole route from Warsaw to Berlin. Just because there was no area for bicycles on the train.

I found it, it's this blog: http://www.achimbodewig.de/blog/tag/pkp/page/2/
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 04:47 PM   #3656
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Passenger service one the new TGV-line "Contournement ferroviaire de Nîmes et de Montpellier" along with the new station "Montpellier Sud de France" will commence in July 2018.

This will speed up TGV from Paris/Lyon to Montpellier by ca. 25 minutes!!!

How likely is it, that this better speed from Paris to the south will lead to an increase of trains from Lyon/Paris to Barcelona?
Today there are only 2 daily TGV Paris - Barcelona (+2 seasonal TGV) and only one TGV Lyon - Barcelona.

Or will the opening of the new line not change anything and still most trains will terminate at Perpignan, only minutes away from Spain?

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 08:57 PM   #3657
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Some of my shots of Eurostars at Medway Viaducts in Kent, on the way from London St Pancras to Channel Tunnel

Siemensa e320 (class 374 according to British terminology) heading towards London:

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These are quite long trainsets, 16 carriages:

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This one is heading towards the continent:

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 09:00 PM   #3658
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One more heading to London:

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And another one:

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This is older Eurostar (class 373) produced by Alstom. Eight got modernized and are still in service, the rest went for scrap replaced by the class 374:

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 10:04 PM   #3659
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Are those Eurostar trainsets ever washed?
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Old October 24th, 2017, 10:33 PM   #3660
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New Train Milan - Frankfurt from 10 December

11:23 Milano Centrale
12:19 12:21 Stresa
12:43 12:48 Domodossola
13:16 13:20 Brig
13:26 13:28 Visp
13:53 13:54 Spiez
14:03 14:04 Thun
14:24 14:36 Bern
15:02 15:05 Olten
15:29 15:38 Basel Sbb
15:44 15:52 Basel Bad Bf
16:20 16:22 Freiburg(brsg)hbf
17:29 17:31 Karlsruhe Hbf
18:10 18:12 Mannheim Hbf
18:59 Frankfurt(main)hbf


Return

08:02 Frankfurt(main)hbf
08:44 08:46 Mannheim Hbf
09:09 09:11 Karlsruhe Hbf
09:25 09:27 Baden-Baden
10:13 10:15 Freiburg(brsg)hbf
10:45 10:47 Basel Bad Bf
10:54 11:04 Basel Sbb
11:28 11:30 Olten
12:05 12:18 Luzern
12:46 12:50 Arth-Goldau
13:47 13:50 Bellinzona
14:17 14:20 Lugano
14:46 14:51 Chiasso
14:55 14:57 Como S. Giovanni
15:21 15:23 Monza
15:35 Milano Centrale


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