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Old April 20th, 2009, 03:53 PM   #461
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Slovakia tries to get a bigger share from the international pie which is the cargo-changing at the former soviet border,by offering closer location to the main markets. What they dont count with is that from now on,whenever Austria/Germany decides to extend the line westwards,they wil loose their % of the changing market.
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Old April 20th, 2009, 04:43 PM   #462
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Until Germany and Austria might have built these extensions, Slovakia won't really rely on such income (hopefully).
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Old April 20th, 2009, 07:36 PM   #463
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I don't think Slovakia has to be so afraid of that. Extending the broad gauge, would increase its appeal and therefore the amount of goods transported that way. That would I would guess at least.
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Old April 20th, 2009, 07:50 PM   #464
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I have one question:
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there are 2 east-west corridors in slovakia, one in the north and one in the south
the northern route is the more important right now (double rail, electrification etc.), however they probably need to reconstruct the southern route in the near future too

so, where will this new connection go? and if they build several 100 kilometres, should'nt it be a dual-gauge system? with special slippers to allow 3 rails?
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Old April 21st, 2009, 09:07 AM   #465
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The problem here is that Russian broad gauge and European/North American/Chinese/Australian standard gauge have the most insidious possible difference between them - 1520 vs 1435 mm (85 mm). The two gauges are too far apart to run trains directly and too close together to allow the easy construction of dual-gauge track by simply laying a third rail. To have dual-gauge track would require four rails.



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Old April 21st, 2009, 11:55 AM   #466
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Right, the difference is not big enough. Iberian gauge and standard gauge can be combined in a three rail track, but for russian gauge and standard gauge a four rail track is needed.
Such a track exists between Finland and Sweden – as far as I know.
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Old April 21st, 2009, 12:43 PM   #467
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still, it would be a waste of money if they built it solely for freight
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Old April 21st, 2009, 02:40 PM   #468
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still, it would be a waste of money if they built it solely for freight
I think they will use it for night trains Vienna–Moscow too.
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Old April 21st, 2009, 03:41 PM   #469
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Transcontainer opens a gateway to the west

23 Jan 2009

SLOVAKIA: A 15-year lease of a container transfer terminal will enable Russia’s intermodal operator to launch direct services between Moscow and the Adriatic ports, boosting its position in the Eurasian landbridge market. Chris Jackson reports from Dobra.


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The Dobra agreement is seen by the project partners as a stepping stone towards RZD’s longer-term ambition of pushing a broad-gauge line into western Europe. Upgrading of the existing broad-gauge line to Košice and its extension to Wien is projected to require an investment of around US$4·3bn.

Describing the project as ‘one of the options for integrating transport between the countries of the European Union and Russia’, Yakunin said he believed that the new line could be operational in about five years.

He envisages that the line will also carry international passenger services, but the priority is quite clearly long-distance freight. ‘Today’s events will help the railway industry to enhance the unobstructed movement of freight from the Pacific Ocean to Europe and beyond’, said Yakunin. ‘It is an unprecedented project - the first time the railways of Russia, Slovakia, Austria and Ukraine have put their signatures to the intent of creating a new railway corridor’.

‘Today the sea route takes 40 days. Last year we ran a train from Beijing to Hamburg in 18 days, but we need to achieve still higher speeds and cut the overall time to 14 days or less’.

‘This project has a pan-European character’, Yakunin insisted, adding that ‘door-to-door delivery of freight to the centre of Europe without changing the track gauge will enable a significant increase in delivery speed.’ He also envisages increased flows of European goods into the growing markets of Russia, Ukraine and central Asia.

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Old April 21st, 2009, 04:52 PM   #470
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I've been thinking

this line will cost almost 5 bn usd,

so why not put everything into containers, then pull the two trains up next to each other
then a computerized crane with lazer optics goes through them from end to end, and moves each container from one train to the other, like a caterpillar or like a dna recoding

something similar will have to be done near Bratislava _anyway_, if they want to connect to the adriatic sea...

so save the 5 bn and spend like 1 bn on a terminal near Kassa that is completely modernized and can send trains as well as lorries on their way toward poland, germany, austria, hungary, romania, balkans etc.
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Old April 21st, 2009, 07:25 PM   #471
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send trains as well as lorries on their way toward poland, germany, austria, hungary, romania, balkans etc.
We in Poland don't need any lorries with goods from the east. We have our own broad gauge terminal in Sławków (Slawkow) and we can supply Slovakia, Czech Republic, Germany and so on

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Old April 21st, 2009, 11:04 PM   #472
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I've been thinking

this line will cost almost 5 bn usd,

so why not put everything into containers, then pull the two trains up next to each other
then a computerized crane with lazer optics goes through them from end to end, and moves each container from one train to the other, like a caterpillar or like a dna recoding

something similar will have to be done near Bratislava _anyway_, if they want to connect to the adriatic sea...

so save the 5 bn and spend like 1 bn on a terminal near Kassa that is completely modernized and can send trains as well as lorries on their way toward poland, germany, austria, hungary, romania, balkans etc.
In Spain they developed great changing axes technology for trains. They'd better build enough trains and cars with changing wheels for such money and that's it. It works perfect.
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 09:15 AM   #473
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Also, conversely, is there any potential for a standard gauge line to be built into Russia (ie, a freight line from western Europe, perhaps Rotterdam or a TGV/ICE line, to Moscow and/or Saint Petersburg)?

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Old April 22nd, 2009, 01:28 PM   #474
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Maby someone could bring clearness why Wien is good end point?

Build terminal for move cargo from one train to another?
What's the difference if it's maid in Ukraine-Slovensko border or in Wien?

Passenger trains?
Moscow - Wien is 2000 + km by rail. I barely belive that there will be some interval passenger service. And for 2 passenger trains per day there is no need for extra line.

Or Slovenia hopes to overtake cargo from other lines by building this line?
In that case there must be some dark intrests, otherwise it's not gonna work.
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 01:47 PM   #475
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Also, conversely, is there any potential for a standard gauge line to be built into Russia (ie, a freight line from western Europe, perhaps Rotterdam or a TGV/ICE line, to Moscow and/or Saint Petersburg)?
IIRC there's a standard gauge line in the Kaliningrad enclave, linking Kalinlingrad city to the Polish border. It's politically part of Russia but perhaps doesn't really count in geographical terms.
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 03:02 PM   #476
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Maby someone could bring clearness why Wien is good end point?

Build terminal for move cargo from one train to another?
What's the difference if it's maid in Ukraine-Slovensko border or in Wien?

Passenger trains?
Moscow - Wien is 2000 + km by rail. I barely belive that there will be some interval passenger service. And for 2 passenger trains per day there is no need for extra line.

Or Slovenia hopes to overtake cargo from other lines by building this line?
In that case there must be some dark intrests, otherwise it's not gonna work.
What?

1,There are direct international trains from Prague to Moscow. It could work with Vienna.
2,Slovenia?!
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 04:22 PM   #477
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1,There are direct international trains from Prague to Moscow. It could work with Vienna.
I meant interval services. Yes there is one pair per day from Prague to Moscow but it doesn't mean that new line is needed for that one pair.

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2,Slovenia?!
My mistake, Slovakia is what I meant.
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 05:08 PM   #478
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Well, in Slovakia this projects is considered very disputable. It's supported by the government, but the opposition is strictly against it. The main arguments of the opposition are loss of the jobs and revenues from transshipping in the terminals on SK/UKR border. Not to mention Slovakia itself can only hardly afford construction of more than 500 km long broad gauge railway. Those money could be rather invested into modernisation of normal gauge railway or into road network. On the other hand it could bring profits from transit and transshipping in terminals along the railway.

It should be built from Košice via Zvolen to Bratislava river port and to Vienna - thus more or less parallel to present railway Bratislava - Palárikovo - Zvolen - Košice. In the future the terminus station of this wide gauge railway should be in Paris according to Slovak Minister of the Economy. We don't know how it should be built. It could be just modification of present railway, construction of new one parallel to already built railway or combination of both. Feasibility study will tell us more.
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I meant interval services. Yes there is one pair per day from Prague to Moscow but it doesn't mean that new line is needed for that one pair.
It should be freight railway. I doubt any passenger trains will use it. Its main purpose is to transport cargo, which is transported by ships now, from countries like China, South Korea and Russia to Central and then also to Western Europe.
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Not to mention Slovakia itself can only hardly afford construction of more than 500 km long broad gauge railway. Those money could be rather invested into modernisation of normal gauge railway or into road network.
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As far as I understood it, the Russians want to pay it.
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