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Old February 7th, 2010, 03:40 PM   #561
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Hi, I am new to this fourm. I like all helpful posts. I have a question for all the experts:

I am planning a trip to Germany starting from from Lisbon travel through capitals of spain, france and belgium and then germany. Is there a such passenger rail that travel such route?

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Unless you want to spend time en route, there are not that many options.
Normally, one would use the daily night train from Lisboa Santa Apolonia
to the french/spanish border at Irun, then a TGV atlantique from there to
Paris-Montparnasse, and finally, after having gone through Paris by metro
(line 4), from Paris-Nord to Köln by Thalys, with a possible stop in Brussels.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 04:53 PM   #562
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Here is the travel planer from Deutsche Bahn:

Just type in Lisbon and Berlin to get a route and duration. It takes about 29 hours straight from Lisbon to Berlin.

http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/que...ewrequest=yes&
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Old February 7th, 2010, 08:22 PM   #563
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If you're not from Europe and want to travel for some longer time, Eurail might be a better option than Interrail because it doesn't have the stupid different regional passes.
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Old February 8th, 2010, 12:39 AM   #564
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Hi, I am new to this fourm. I like all helpful posts. I have a question for all the experts:

I am planning a trip to Germany starting from from Lisbon travel through capitals of spain, france and belgium and then germany. Is there a such passenger rail that travel such route?

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From Lisbon to Madrid there is a train (Nocturne service) and from Madrid to Paris too. Or Madrid-Barcelona and then Barcelona -Paris, Milan or Zurich. Check it out in www.renfe.es (scroll down and in "Seleccione idioma" select english)
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If you're not from Europe and want to travel for some longer time, Eurail might be a better option than Interrail because it doesn't have the stupid different regional passes.
A pass like Eurrail is mostly for gullible tourists that have a lot of money they need to be separated from.
A better option is to just plan your trip first, and then buy tickets from the local railways in volved, allowing you to take advantage of advance purchase reductions.
In this case you would first need to get to Madrid. This trains you probably best book via the Portuguese railways.
On Madrid - Paris there is the Elipsos night train. Paris - Brussel is operated by Thalys. But both these trains you can book at www.scnf.fr.

From Brussel to Germany the best thing is to book this online from the German railways, as they have special deals starting at 39,- from anywhere in Belgium to most places in Germany.
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Old February 8th, 2010, 06:25 PM   #566
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You can take TGV across France, its quite good, ive done it a few times!
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Old February 9th, 2010, 12:42 AM   #567
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A pass like Eurrail is mostly for gullible tourists that have a lot of money they need to be separated from.
Well the price for a 5 day pass which is all they need is Ł225 or Ł145 if they are under 26, so if the total cost of the route is more than that, they might as well have the flexibility of using a pass. Bearing in mind they would also have to pay night train and HSR supplements.
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Old February 10th, 2010, 04:00 AM   #568
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sweet, kool infos. aside from get ticket online. can i pruchase a ticket from their station for long distance train ride? are there difference between their online ticketing and station purchase?
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sweet, kool infos. aside from get ticket online. can i pruchase a ticket from their station for long distance train ride? are there difference between their online ticketing and station purchase?
You can ofcourse buy your ticket at the station. It is still the way most people do this. Moreover, most major stations can sell your tickets for trains on other networks too. So the Lisabon train station ought to be able to sell you tickets for the Madrid - Paris train, and the Paris - Brussel train too.
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Russian Railways presents "Broad Gauge to Vienna" project in Slovakia.

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Old April 15th, 2010, 12:16 PM   #571
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when you take into cosideration the upcommming elections in Slovakia and Austria mixed with the terrible results by ZSSK and the plans to create a unified Slovak Raiways holding, it seems there is nothing certain about this project...
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Old April 15th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #572
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when you take into cosideration the upcommming elections in Slovakia and Austria mixed with the terrible results by ZSSK and the plans to create a unified Slovak Raiways holding, it seems there is nothing certain about this project...
ZSSK has nothing to do with this project. Their business is passenger transport. You probably mean ZSSK Cargo.

Slovakia simply cannot afford it. We don't have spare 4 billion €. We cannot borrow them due to Maastricht criteria and we cannot build it as PPP project. There are already three big motorway PPP projects and another two or three are planned. Problem would be also purchase of wide gauge rolling stock. ZSSK Cargo owns some, but what is enough for operation between Košice and Uzhhorod wouldn't be enough for operation between Uzhhorod and Vienna. The fact that the most important transhipment station at this line should be in Vienna is also a disadvantage for Slovakia. We would loose majority of revenues from transshipping.
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Old April 15th, 2010, 03:21 PM   #573
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Slovakia tries to get a bigger share from the international pie which is the cargo-changing at the former soviet border,by offering closer location to the main markets. What they dont count with is that from now on,whenever Austria/Germany decides to extend the line westwards,they wil loose their % of the changing market.

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ZSSK has nothing to do with this project. Their business is passenger transport. You probably mean ZSSK Cargo.

Slovakia simply cannot afford it. We don't have spare 4 billion €. We cannot borrow them due to Maastricht criteria and we cannot build it as PPP project. There are already three big motorway PPP projects and another two or three are planned. Problem would be also purchase of wide gauge rolling stock. ZSSK Cargo owns some, but what is enough for operation between Košice and Uzhhorod wouldn't be enough for operation between Uzhhorod and Vienna. The fact that the most important transhipment station at this line should be in Vienna is also a disadvantage for Slovakia. We would loose majority of revenues from transshipping.
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Old April 16th, 2010, 11:32 AM   #574
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That's not entirely correct. Between Bratislava and Košice there should be transported 23.7 million t, between Bratislava and Vienna 18.5 million t, which means in Bratislava there would be transshipped 5.2 million t. Some transshipping will take place also in Košice, Čierna nad Tisou and Dobrá (especially bulk material, but also other stuff). Together it could easily exceed 8 million t which was pre-crisis transshipment volume in the complex of Eastern Slovakian transshipment yards.

Point of this project is that transport would significantly increase. It would have no sense to build this line for present cargo volumes. On the other hand, question is why Slovakia should willingly allow Austrians to transship majority of cargo (which is the most lucrative part of this business not transport itself) in Vienna, if it could be done in Bratislava? If you transport cargo from Beijing to Central Europe, you don't care if it will be transshipped in Bratislava or in Vienna. 60 km difference simply doesn't matter. Bratislava has motorways, railways and Danube like Vienna.

Important and often forgotten fact is that connection between Bratislava and Austrian border would require about one quarter of funds which are needed to build Slovak part of this line. Of course, it could be interesting if this line would be extended to Southern Germany and Northern Italy, but that's sci-fi for now.
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ZSSK has nothing to do with this project. Their business is passenger transport. You probably mean ZSSK Cargo.
That's quite obvious, but ok, let's put it right : ) On the other had you may soon have a Slovenská železničná spoločnosť, a.s. holding, so it will make no difference anyway.

I am trying to guess what type of loads will there be to transport via this line exactly? Bulk? containers?

There are numerous companiess trying to make something out of East - West - East rail freight cargo business, with little effect. I wonder if building another broad gauge line changes anything.
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That's quite obvious, but ok, let's put it right : ) On the other had you may soon have a Slovenská železničná spoločnosť, a.s. holding, so it will make no difference anyway.
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I am trying to guess what type of loads will there be to transport via this line exactly? Bulk? containers?

There are numerous companiess trying to make something out of East - West - East rail freight cargo business, with little effect. I wonder if building another broad gauge line changes anything.
Officials are talking mostly about containers. Basically they say this line should replace container ships. But, there will be also stuff like coal, iron ore and so on.
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Old April 19th, 2010, 10:22 AM   #577
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I'm presuming, hopefully correctly, that the main driver of this broad gauge line extension relates specifically to a desire to stimulate intermodal traffic across the broad gauge network, catering for both CIS/Russia-Europe trade and the Far East-Europe trade.

Given that Vienna is the choice of the 'final destination', I'm presuming, again hopefully, that some kind of major broad gauge-standard gauge transhipment terminal will be built, to enable standard gauge intermodal links to be made with major traffic centres such as Verona and Duisburg.

Does anyone know where in Vienna the planners are proposing such a terminal be built?
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 07:44 PM   #578
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London to Amsterdam in 4 hours. Would you board the train?

What if there were three daily direct services between London and Amsterdam taking aprox. 4 hours for the complete journey... (City centre to City centre) would you board the train?


Specification:
- Regulation: Open Acces
- Train type: Siemens Velaro (better knows as ICE 3)
- Service pattern: Morning, afternoon, evening (both ways)
- Intermediate calling points: Ashford (board only), Lille, Rotterdam (Alight only), Amsterdam (Alight only)
- Fare structure: Same as airlines do with a single starting at 49 pounds one way.
- Service level: Tea and coffee is for free on first and standard class, first class get 3 course meal at seat (included in price)

Train times: All times in local time
London to Amsterdam:
London Departures: 0700, 1230, 1800
Ashford Departures: 0730, 1300, 1830
Lille Arrivals/Departures: 0930, 1500, 2030
Rotterdam Arrivals: 1120, 1650, 2220
Amsterdam Arrivals: 1200, 1730, 2300

Amsterdam to London:
Amsterdam Departures: 0700, 1330, 1900
Rotterdam Departures: 0740, 1410, 1940
Lille Arrivals/Departures: 0940, 1610, 2140
Ashford Arrivals: 0930, 1600, 2130
London Arrivals: 0955, 1625, 2155

First London departure can be done at 0600 aswell if proven to be more popular

Would you use the service... and what do you think the maximum fare for a one way ticket should be?
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What if there were three daily direct services between London and Amsterdam taking aprox. 4 hours for the complete journey... (City centre to City centre) would you board the train?


Would you use the service... and what do you think the maximum fare for a one way ticket should be?
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Yes!.
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49 (2nd class)
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Too far and London is all for me.
Sorry but London to Glasgow is even longer and trains are packed. Besides the LON/AMS route will use dedicated High Speed Lines for 90% of the journey and does allow for intermediate stations.
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