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Old October 4th, 2010, 07:53 PM   #861
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I'm not against free market. However when tax payer money is poured in to infrastructure the main concern of the government should not be providing maximum value to train operating companies. It should be providing maximum value to the tax payer.
In that case I think the state does have a role beyond simply leveling the field. I think there is nothing wrong with encouraging operating companies to provide a comprehensive schedules, and keep them from cherry picking only the most profitable services.
A line with a train ever half hour has more value to the public than a line where 5 companies all compete for the rush hour traffic, but leave the line underserved at other times.
And, furtunately, this is not what is happening. Privatization of domestic
passenger services, where it is already done (Netherlands and Germany come
to mind), comes in the form of an entire line, with minimal services (like "one train each hour in each direction") to be offered. So most of the time
privatized services continue to offer, at least, the same service as before,
and more if the new provider is more efficient. It seems, if I understand well,
that the franchises on UK rail also operate that way.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 03:03 PM   #862
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I don't want to be too geographically self-centered here, but so Eurostar really does plan to service Amsterdam one day, as the Velaro will allow it to. (That's what it says on Railway Gazette, anyway.) I thought it had been firmly established around here that this would be practically impossible for infrastructural reasons in the Netherlands. (Space for check-in areas in already overcrowded stations, etc.)

Anyway, it sounds like good news to me, even if it's quite the dagger in the back of the French.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #863
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I don't think it's a dagger at all. It will force Alstom to compete, thus improving their product.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 07:43 PM   #864
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Eurostar selected the Velaro-D, the latest version of Germany’s ICE high-speed train family, over Alstom’s AGV, as its preferred option in June, but the deal became public only on Friday
Personally, I think Alstom probably deserved the snub... They're still up to their eyeballs in controversy after building a Tramway for Israel in the occupied Palestinian territories... On the other hand Eurotunnel, whilst an SNCF affiliate, aren't SNCF and operate in several European states, from that perspective it's also positive that the French protectionism will be 'softened' at least.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 08:24 PM   #865
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They're still up to their eyeballs in controversy after building a Tramway for Israel in the occupied Palestinian territories...
Geez, it is a tramway in Jerusalem, which the Israeli deem to be their eternal and indivisible capital. It's meant to transport people from home to work to school and so on!
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Old October 7th, 2010, 12:54 PM   #866
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Great news! The new Velaro-D looks great.

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Old October 7th, 2010, 04:14 PM   #867
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http://railnews.co.uk/news/general/2...played-in.html

with small pic of new train. It is obviously similar to the Verlaro D, but apparently is not the same. Designated the Velaro e320, it is 16 cars long and 400m. 10 will be purchased at a cost of £700m.
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Old October 7th, 2010, 04:17 PM   #868
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The new Eurostar e320 train coming into London:

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Old October 7th, 2010, 04:26 PM   #869
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EUROPE | Eurostar and Inter-country Railways

I was strolling across Kensington Gardens today when I came across a model of the new Eurostar 320 tains that Eurostar have ordered. The model is on display for today only, and is part of the press launch of the new model. The Siemens Velaros will travel at 320 km/h (compared to 300 km/h now), and will carry 900+ passengers (as opposed to 750 now). They will be the full 400m long, and will enter service from 2014. Paris will be just 2 hrs from London (2 hrs 15 mins now). Watch the video:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/new...expansion.html

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Old October 7th, 2010, 05:21 PM   #870
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I must say, that new velaro train looks great compared to the current fleet. Only too bad that man doesn't know how to speak english
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Old October 7th, 2010, 05:34 PM   #871
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Alstom statement:
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Eurostar fleet renewal

07 October 2010

Regarding Eurostar's purchase of new trains, Alstom will make no comment on today's commercial discussions announced by the company.

Alstom underlines, as the French Ministry of Transport has already done, that the current security rules applying to trains travelling through the Channel Tunnel conform to the highest possible standards and consequently do not permit the use of the trains that Eurostar states it has purchased. The definition and the possible evolution of these rules are neither the responsibility of the rail operators nor of the rolling stock manufacturers nor of the Channel Tunnel operator.

Press Contacts
Philippe Kasse, Stéphane Farhi (Alstom Corporate)
Tel +33 1 41 49 29 82 /33 08
[email protected]

Virginie Hourdin-Bremond (Alstom Transport)
Tél +33 1 57 06 97 24

Investor Relations
Emmanuelle Châtelain - Tel + 33 1 41 49 37 38
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About the trains: I love them... would love seeing them enter service sooner, say... yesterday. These Velaro's will probably also be able to serve the Netherlands and the German countries (DE, AT, CH)?
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Old October 7th, 2010, 06:00 PM   #872
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I don't see any market for an Austria-London train service. It would take at least 7 hours. That is too much. You can "compete" with airlines when your high-speed train travel time is below 3h, sometimes when it is below 4h30, rarely otherwise. It just takes too long.
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Old October 7th, 2010, 06:20 PM   #873
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Alstom must be SEETHING in fury!

Gorgeous trains.

for German engineering!
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Old October 7th, 2010, 06:25 PM   #874
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Old October 7th, 2010, 06:30 PM   #875
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New livery looks also great

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Old October 7th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #876
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I was never a huge fan of the Velaro's appearance, but I have to say that the Eurostar livery really makes them look great.
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Old October 7th, 2010, 07:09 PM   #877
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What will happen with the current train sets? It's so hard to believe that they are pushing on upwards of 20 years of age?

Although, wouldn't it have been cheaper to refurbish the existing trainsets, like the french did with old TGV Sud trains that first ran from Paris - Lyon? Those trains are pushing 30 years (or more)!

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Old October 7th, 2010, 07:31 PM   #878
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They can keep using them in the "local" configuration, they can sell them to other operartors... Buying new is more interesting than refurbishing.
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Old October 7th, 2010, 07:35 PM   #879
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whoa, this is a giant slap to Alstom. i am not fan of new ICE (or Velaro or call it however you want) design, but this livery looks great!
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Old October 7th, 2010, 08:19 PM   #880
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These trains are in addition to the TGV, not in substitution. You can't replace 31+7 trains with 10.

The difference between ICE 3 and the Velaro is that the first were built together with other constructors, not only by Siemens.
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