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Old March 29th, 2011, 08:01 PM   #1241
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Why? The Channel Tunnel safety rules haven't done much about the possible dangers in a tunnel, such as fires or trains stranding due to snow.

I can see Alstom's point of view in the row. It's a 600 million euros contract, which is a *lot* of money. If they think they can make a case, and the government supports them, why not take the chance?
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Old March 29th, 2011, 08:20 PM   #1242
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Eurotunnel's safety rules are sometimes non applicable. To cite two examples, the 400 m minimum length of passenger trains is explained with the need to have at least a door near a cross-tunnel linking the three tubes when actually it's impossible to evacuate hundreds of people in panic guiding them to that particular exit; and the need to have a locomotive at each end and the train divisible in two, when in case of fire it's possible that once the train ged stopped and splitted in two the overhead line is already damaged and unusable. The new Gotthard tunnel instead has two emergency stations equipepd with fire-extinguishing equipment, wide sidewalks and frequent cross-tunnels (every 50 m); trains are built to resist at least 15 minutes on fire so as tor each one of these stations or the outside. This is considered a good solution considering that all new long tunnels (at least in Europe) will use it, even the Eurotunnel which is being adapted with the construction of two (in each tube) similar stations (but I suppose without new cross-tunnels).

Still better that the Seikan (54 km) and other long Japanese tunnels, or the existing tunnels built in the XIX century, that do not have any of these safety equipment and still bear dozen or hundred years without accidents.
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Old March 29th, 2011, 08:30 PM   #1243
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Maybe the Gotthard tunnel should have its safety requirements improved... not the Eurotunnel have its safety standards downgraded.
The safety requirements are not necessarily being downgraded, more "changed", because it was seen that they hadn't helped as much as they infact hindered the provision of a service on the line.
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Old March 30th, 2011, 04:53 PM   #1244
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Maybe the Gotthard tunnel should have its safety requirements improved... not the Eurotunnel have its safety standards downgraded.
Missing the point again...
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Old April 14th, 2011, 05:21 PM   #1245
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Après le Moscou – Nice lancé en septembre dernier, RZD annonce la mise en circulation d’un train reliant Moscou à Paris en 41 heures à compter de décembre prochain. C’est Mikhaïl Akoulov, son vice-président qui vient de l’annoncer dans le quotidien La Pravda. Depuis trois ans, il est possible de relier Paris à Moscou en 49 heures, mais une seule voiture part de Paris pour être rattachée au train Berlin – Moscou à l’arrivée dans la capitale allemande. Il s’agira cette fois d’un train entier, qui circulera via Berlin au « minimum trois fois par semaine, et cinq fois maximum », a précisé Mikhaïl Akoulov. A terme, la liaison sera assurée par des trains neufs, issus des usines de Siemens et de Tver Carriage Works.
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After Moscow - Nice launched last September, RZD announces the release of a train from Moscow to Paris in 41 hours from December. It Akoulov Mikhail, vice-president who just announced in the newspaper Pravda. For three years, it is possible to link Paris to Moscow in 49 hours, but only one car from Paris to be attached to the train Berlin - Moscow on arrival in the German capital. This time an entire train, which will travel via Berlin to the "minimum of three times per week and maximum of five times,"said Mikhail Akoulov. Eventually, the route will be serviced by trains new, from the Siemens factory and Tver Carriage Works.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 07:34 PM   #1246
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Why would anyone board such a train? 41h? No-sense as transportation. It is like more a touristic trip, like a Danube boat cruise wold be for river transportation.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 10:33 PM   #1247
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I hope that it would be possible to buy ticket Paris- Warsaw and Paris - Berlin. Now the polish railways don't want to sell tickets for Russian trains crossing Warsaw to different cities in the west. Imagine that we have direct train Warsaw - Nice going from Moscow and we can't buy ticket for it!
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Old April 14th, 2011, 11:06 PM   #1248
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Why would anyone board such a train? 41h? No-sense as transportation. It is like more a touristic trip, like a Danube boat cruise wold be for river transportation.
Because there are people who still make a difference between travelling and
merely displacing themselves ? A trip is not always just something you do to
get moved from A to B. You can actually enjoy it !

Besides that, RZD already operates a Nice-Moscow train, and dozen of other
long-distance trains in Eastern Russia and ex-CEI republics. They have quite
some experience in doing that, and certainly have a positive business case
for all new trains they start running.

Trains like Moscow-Vladivostok and Moscow-Pekin run jammed to capacity in
the summer and are impossible to board if you did not reserve tickets months
in advance. The whole journey takes between 5 and 7 days.

Was that a genuine question or pure provocation again ?
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Old April 14th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #1249
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I hope that it would be possible to buy ticket Paris- Warsaw and Paris - Berlin. Now the polish railways don't want to sell tickets for Russian trains crossing Warsaw to different cities in the west. Imagine that we have direct train Warsaw - Nice going from Moscow and we can't buy ticket for it!
It is not that the Polish doesn't want to sell the tickets, is that (likely) Russians don't allow foreign companies to sell intra-Russia tickets, or - say - a Polish railway selling tickets from Russia to Belarus.

Without reciprocity, it makes sense for a country to ban through traffic collecting passengers. In any case, it is better to keep the Russians out of intra-EU rail market.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 11:51 PM   #1250
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Russians don't want to transport people outside their network, but to transport people (mainly toursists) from Russia to western europe.

That's why they don't sell tickets like Paris-Warsaw. I doubt it's because of some law regarding reciprocity, as these trains are hauled by western railway companeis, and are not in open access.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #1251
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Paris-Amsterdam en 3 H 18 min

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Old April 18th, 2011, 01:55 AM   #1252
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Awesome! I love such non-stop travel clips. Do you have more?
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Old April 18th, 2011, 02:20 AM   #1253
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Awesome! I love such non-stop travel clips. Do you have more?
You make me the idea to create a dedicated thread :MISC | Trains Time Lapse Videos
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Old April 18th, 2011, 05:51 AM   #1254
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Paris-Amsterdam en 3 H 18 min

Not Paris-Amsterdam, though.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 06:47 AM   #1255
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Not Paris-Amsterdam, though.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 09:57 AM   #1256
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The video originates from the Thalys website, it was used in the 2009 advertising campaign, "Thalys goes faster", because Thalys uses the HSL-Zuid in the Netherlands and Belgium since December 13th, 2009.

The video was shot from the rear cabin of a Thalys train and then played back in reverse, which you can see by looking at the headlight of oncoming trains and the signals passed - everything's red!
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The video originates from the Thalys website, it was used in the 2009 advertising campaign, "Thalys goes faster", because Thalys uses the HSL-Zuid in the Netherlands and Belgium since December 13th, 2009.

The video was shot from the rear cabin of a Thalys train and then played back in reverse, which you can see by looking at the headlight of oncoming trains and the signals passed - everything's red!
What also gives it away is that the train runs on the right in the video. In Belgium and France trains run on the left, as on the HSL Zuid until Rotterdam Zuid...
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Yes, it says that's Brussels, not Amsterdam. The video is called Paris -> Amsterdam, but there's no Amsterdam.
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Old April 19th, 2011, 09:53 AM   #1259
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Yes, it says that's Brussels, not Amsterdam. The video is called Paris -> Amsterdam, but there's no Amsterdam.
...please see de video till the end!!!!!!
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Old April 19th, 2011, 11:24 AM   #1260
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...please see de video till the end!!!!!!
I did and the train doesn't even reach Antwerp, let alone Rotterdam or Amsterdam.
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