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Old October 8th, 2012, 04:54 PM   #1461
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No rule about both ends being manned afaik. And all the rules have been reviewed recently anyway, so what was the case isn't necessarily now the case.

I believe all freight trains stop a Dollands Moor anyway, so change of traction can happen there - but this won't be necessary if the trains are using HS1 to (eg) Ford's Dagenham plant.

Loading guage will restrict the Prima II from using much of the UK railway network, but the fact that it isn't equipped for UK signalling, and it isn't certified to run anywhere on Network Rail, will prevent it from being used anywhere at all.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #1462
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With the Prima II any operator from France can run trains straight into the GB where it can use the HS1 to reach London or have a loco change. There will be no need to use the Eurotunnel or DB Schenker UK owned class 92 loco anymore, just for the tunnel. This makes it easier for other British and European operators to run trains through the tunnel.

If for example Freightliner Group wants to run a train to France it can run the train with it's own locomotive from any place in the UK to Dollands Moor, there it can change locomotives to a Prima II that is operated by let's say NMBS Logistics to run the train to it's destination in Belgium.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 01:46 PM   #1463
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I see a potential market for multi-system locomotives built for UK loading gauge equipped with ETCS and STM's for several countries.

If properly organised it would be very difficult to compete with a freight train that goes straight from Italy to the UK. Just change drivers somewhere along the way.
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Old October 19th, 2012, 09:54 AM   #1464
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Old October 19th, 2012, 10:26 AM   #1465
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 12:24 AM   #1466
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Another year delay

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/1...8AL0GJ20121122
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 12:40 AM   #1467
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They should've bought French instead...

Joking aside: it's a shame that Siemens is seemingly unable to deliver those Velaro's... they've been presented to the public over two years ago (at InnoTrans 2010) and still haven't entered domestic services - let alone international. Very unfortunate for Deutsche Bahn's customers.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 01:22 AM   #1468
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It does seem amazing that something can double the delivery time on a known quantity like a train.

DB sounds very annoyed. Eurostar are quiet. Alstom are probably saying 'told you so'.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 03:47 PM   #1469
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Not another, the actual further delay was unspecified. The trains which were meant to be delivered next month have been held up for some time longer, but we don't know how much.

Although a poor showing from Siemens, it's probably better if they sort out the technical issues themselves, rather than how AB handled the Danish IC4 debacle (not to mention Fyra).
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Old December 10th, 2012, 01:06 PM   #1470
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Lyon and Aix this year:

http://www.eurostar.com/UK/uk/leisur...o_provence.jsp
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Old January 16th, 2013, 04:37 PM   #1471
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Test rides for Eurostar's and DB's Velaro's would start later this year, with testing in Belgium this summer.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #1472
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Passengers will have to debark in Lille however, and go through security with their luggage and then reboard the train, thus completely negating the advantage of a direct connection. You'd be faster taking a later train from Lyon to Lille, and transferring to the same Eurostar...

I hope however that this silliness does get a lot of bad press... I would hand out standard complaint letters to all the passengers that they can sign and send to parliament.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 08:19 PM   #1473
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What about if were British citizens to want these stricts controls?
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Old January 17th, 2013, 12:17 PM   #1474
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Was thinking exactly this, but will the loons at UK Border Control allow a train that was originally a Frankfurt - Amsterdam service then become an Amsterdam - London service?
How is it loony to want to control it's borders?
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Old January 17th, 2013, 02:07 PM   #1475
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How is it loony to want to control it's borders?
We did quite well without border controls for a long time in Europe. And most of continental Europe does well without border controls right now.
But even then, what's impossible about just checking passengers on the train?
And why should British border control care if a train that does Amsterdam London did a Frankfurt - Amsterdam service before that? Other than out of lunatic paranoia, that is. So yes, if they care about that they are loonies.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #1476
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UK Border controls have been purely down to politics and nothing to do with reality since forever. So yes, the result is loony. Daily Mail + Tory rightwingers = no sensible discussion whatsoever.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #1477
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Weird: when I leave the UK by Eurostar to enter Schengenarea (continental Europe), the customs check is in London. Why no arrival check over there?
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Old January 17th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #1478
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Because entry and exit checks are both made at the same time (embarkation).
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Old January 18th, 2013, 02:22 AM   #1479
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Weird: when I leave the UK by Eurostar to enter Schengenarea (continental Europe), the customs check is in London. Why no arrival check over there?
Because they fear the train will be full of asylum seekers demanding free council houses the moment they step off the train. All ways of entering the UK except air travel involve pre clearance to avoid this. Instead of adding destinations with this convoluted process in Lille, they should run more services to Avignon than one a week. I looked at doing this a while ago and even their website gave lower prices for a TGV-Eurostar combination on the same day. If they have the customs facilities then they might as well use them. I doubt many British customs officers would complain about being stationed in the south of France all summer.
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Because they fear the train will be full of asylum seekers demanding free council houses the moment they step off the train
You know, you can just send them back...
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