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Old January 22nd, 2013, 01:02 AM   #1501
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For sure not, but I'd rather know the longest service running on a at least daily basis and not just every now and then.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 02:43 AM   #1502
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For sure not, but I'd rather know the longest service running on a at least daily basis and not just every now and then.

Lisboa-Paris sudexpresso daily =1700km

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700km in a TGV in FR
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 03:16 AM   #1503
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But you have to change at Hendaye.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 08:44 AM   #1504
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For sure not, but I'd rather know the longest service running on a at least daily basis and not just every now and then.
Nice-Moscow is not daily, for sure, but it's not "every now and then" either : it's once a week, all year long, as far as I know.

There is now a Paris-Moscow too, whose frequency varies with the period of the week, but which is never less than weekly either.

On a daily basis, what about the new Thello service Paris-Rome ?
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 08:25 PM   #1505
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Basel-Copenhagen and Basel-Warsaw is a daily service.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:39 PM   #1506
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But you have to change at Hendaye.
That's the problem with HSR nowadays ...
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:50 AM   #1507
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Ok, back to the topic!

Anyone know what is the longest regular passenger service in Europe? I know there is Basel-Moscow service, albeit only one carriage attached to Copenhagen train. Anything significantly longer than that?
In 2009 I saw an international train in Cologne with one waggon destined for Moscow Bielorusskaja. Also saw a russian waggon on the Basel-Copenhagen train when boarding in Mannheim in 2011. I think they detach the waggon in Hannover where it is attached to the Paris-Berlin night train.

There is (or used to be) a direct train Nice-Moscow.

The longest I have travelled continuously by train (with changes) is Linköping-Porto Maurizio & Jekaterinburg-Moscow.

This was very wearisome. Also rode the Copenhagen-Basel service which is the longest I have travelled continuously with train without feeling fed up with it.

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:31 AM   #1508
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Moscow - Nice is still running once a week. It departs in Moscow on Thursday noon and arrives in Nice on Saturday noon. The opposite train leaves Nice on Saturday evening and arrives at its destination on Monday late at night.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 01:38 PM   #1509
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What about if were British citizens to want these stricts controls?
I have no doubt that most of them do. (I work with quite a few Brits - in Paris, mind you - who consider the tight controls to board a Eurostar train as a sign of superiority over the silly "continentals".) However, one cannot deny that it chips away at the competitiveness of HS-rail over air traffic. The reason that scores of Parisians take the TGV to various destination in western Switzerland and the Thalys to Amsterdam, although the transport time, at 3 to 3 1/2 hours, is way longer than a plane is that you don't have to waste time in an airport. You can walk straight into the train, your luggage in hand, 2 minutes before departure.

Eurostar does actually ask passengers to show up for check-in at least half an hour prior to departure. Now, 30 minutes are not the end of the world, but it does make the train service less attractive.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 05:26 PM   #1510
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Moscow - Nice is still running once a week.
Indeed the "new" Riviera Express is once a week, but I heard that they planned to make it a twice-a-week service during summer in the near future.

Its route is 3318 km long, and it serves (among others): Nice-Ville, Monaco - Monte-Carlo, Milan, Vienna, Warsaw, Minsk and Moscow-Belorussky.



And since late 2011, there's the "even newer" Trans-European Moscow Express which is a three-times-a-week service during winter, and a five-times-a-week service during summer.

Its route is 3177 km long, and it serves (among others): Paris-Est, Metz, Frankfurt (am Main), Berlin, Warsaw, Brest (Litovsk), Minsk and Moscow-Belorussky.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 05:38 PM   #1511
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(I work with quite a few Brits - in Paris, mind you - who consider the tight controls to board a Eurostar train as a sign of superiority over the silly "continentals".)
Lol, I sense someone missed the underlying sarcasm there.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 05:49 PM   #1512
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I have no doubt that most of them do. (I work with quite a few Brits - in Paris, mind you - who consider the tight controls to board a Eurostar train as a sign of superiority over the silly "continentals".)
Eurostar does actually ask passengers to show up for check-in at least half an hour prior to departure. Now, 30 minutes are not the end of the world, but it does make the train service less attractive.
Maybe the tight control is because of the chunnel, you don't want terrorists on that train.

Travelling the eurostar feels very much like checking in to an airport. I was surprised to find this scrutiny on the 2nd floor of the Gare du Nord.

I did not know about it and almost was late for my train because of it.

About long distance trains. There is the Orient Express chartered train London-Istanbul. Check Ameropa for tickets.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 05:50 PM   #1513
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Maybe the tight control is because of the chunnel, you don't want terrorists on that train.
Which begs the question: Why only on that train?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 07:13 PM   #1514
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About long distance trains. There is the Orient Express chartered train London-Istanbul. Check Ameropa for tickets.
Isn't it Paris - Istanbul?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 07:18 PM   #1515
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Aren't all tracks west of Istanbul being under major reconstruction?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 07:36 PM   #1516
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Isn't it Paris - Istanbul?
It's London-Folkestone by train, Folkestone-Calais by bus and the Eurotunnel, Calais-Istambul by another train.

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Aren't all tracks west of Istanbul being under major reconstruction?
Yes, all long distance trains now ends outside Istambul, if not even at the Turkish border (even in the mdidle of the night, if the trains happened to cross it at that time).
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 07:54 PM   #1517
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Yes, all long distance trains now ends outside Istambul, if not even at the Turkish border (even in the mdidle of the night, if the trains happened to cross it at that time).
For the time being, trains go all the way to Istanbul Sirkeci again. But that's
just because works are stopped for the winter season. In March or April,
trains will once again be stopped at the turkish border (Kapikule) and replaced
by a bus for the final leg into Istanbul.

This is because of the installation of the approaches of the Bosphorus
tunnel, which will most likely (not 100% sure yet) cause the closure of the
two Istanbul historic stations. There isn't really a station outside Istanbul
where they can organise the transfer, I presume... A big inconvenience,
since the bus transfer takes place in the middle of the night, around 2AM
or so.

For my part, i'll wait until those works are completed before travelling this
way again...
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 10:26 PM   #1518
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It's London-Folkstone by train, Folkestone-Calais by bus and the Eurotunnel, Calais-Istanbul by another train.
Not was I would call a luxury experience. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to charter a Eurostar to Calais or Lille, then transfer across from there.

Is it that difficult to get passenger carriages approved for the tunnel? If they did that could open up all sorts of options.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:02 PM   #1519
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Is it that difficult to get passenger carriages approved for the tunnel?
Yes!

After nearly 20 years from the opening of the Chunnel, there is only one kind of passenger train approved (the TGV Transmanche, but soon the Velaro e320 will also be approved) and even only one kind of freight locomotive (the Class 92). Then there is a single type of EuroShuttle locomotives and some types of flat wagons and passenger cars for the shuttles, but these cannot run outside EuroTunnel tracks.

Things might change in the future if in the EuroTunnel the TSI specifications will be applied one day (in the alpine base tunnels and in the Seikan tunnel basically any kind of train is allowed, so I don't see why the EuroTunnel should be an exception*).

Being a touristic service I would however bring the passengers by ferry.

*the only problem I am aware of is that the overhead line in the Chunnel is higher than in the rest of Europe so that locomotives have to have special pantographs
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:11 PM   #1520
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There are just 38 Eurostar sets - but this seems to be in excess of requirements, because the six and half North of London Eurostars and also 3 of the 31 Three Capitals Eurostars are now used in French domestic routes.

What are the technical limitations of these 9 and half surplus trains - could they be used to expand services from Great Britain to beyond France?
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