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Old January 28th, 2013, 11:48 PM   #1561
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All lines in Switzerland should be yellow, not orange or blue, as even if the base tunnels are designed for 250 km/h trains will not run faster than 200 km/h (and likely 160 km/h most of the time).
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Old January 29th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #1562
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Conventional lines that operates as part of HS service, but with the speed less than 200.
You mean with high-speed trains? Those run in Slovenia, Czech Republic and Slovakia as well (Pendolino).
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Old January 29th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #1563
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All lines in Switzerland should be yellow, not orange or blue, as even if the base tunnels are designed for 250 km/h trains will not run faster than 200 km/h (and likely 160 km/h most of the time).
True, I didn't even notice that blue denotes only construction of 250+ lines. By the way is there really any stretch in Switzerland where trains currently reach 200 kmh? Not as far as I know... Probably all should be black.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 12:09 AM   #1564
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On the Bern-Olten line and in the Lötschberg abse tunnel trains can run at 200 km/h, at least if they are late.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 12:50 AM   #1565
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You mean with high-speed trains? Those run in Slovenia, Czech Republic and Slovakia as well (Pendolino).
Well, it looks like trains that run part of the route 200+, but then slow down, not just train capable of 200+
Anyway, this map have some mistakes in it, at least in 1520 part.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:57 AM   #1566
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While it is most important of course that each map should be internally consistent, it should be desirable that all Wikipedia maps were consistent with each other, "all" for the moment being two, Europe and East Asia, but there should be more in the future. I would guess that the makers of the Asian map are active on SSC as well.

As a personal preference I don't like the use of a colour, blue, for lines under construction. The colours are used for different operational speed levels, so blue would appear as just another speed level. Better to used the traditional dotted or dashed line for lines under construction. This also has the benefit that you can display which speed level the new line will get (yellow, orange, red dotted lines), which is handy when a high-speed line is being upgraded to a higher speed.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 11:00 AM   #1567
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On the Bern-Olten line and in the Lötschberg abse tunnel trains can run at 200 km/h, at least if they are late.
And on the Bern - Olten line they usually do. I once travelled on that line in the driving cabin of an ICN set. The train maintained an exact 200 kph all the way, automatically...
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Old January 29th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #1568
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One thought: Would there be an interest for an abstract time/speed map for Europe? The advantage of HSR relative to the older network isn't just that the trains have higher operating speed, but that for the most part the lines are more direct and have fewer stops. Moving at 250 km/h is of little advantage if you have to travel twice as far.

The rules for such a map would be:
1. Put up the major European cities on a map
2. Find the direct distance between the centres of these cities and their relevant neighbours.
3. Find the quickest available rail connection (HSR and regular) between these, and plot this, and the average speed by dividing by distance found in (2).
4. If the time A-C < A-B-C, where A-B and B-C are on the map, draw a line A-C, otherwise leave A-B and B-C
5. Colour code the optimal speeds (e.g. less than 75, 75-149, 150-249,250+)

The most realistic way of getting (3) is using bahn.de to find the quickest connection. This would including transfer and waiting times, which after all is part of travelling time.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 01:02 PM   #1569
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From that map it can be clearly seen that the Helvetic Confederation is becoming the speed bump of Europe
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Old January 29th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #1570
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From that map it can be clearly seen that the Helvetic Confederation is becoming the speed bump of Europe
It is of course the fault of the Swiss that their mountains are so high...
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Old January 29th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #1571
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According to the file history this SVG has been maintained fairly regularly, replacing an earlier PNG.
I should be more specific, the inauguration of the version with lines split out by speed and including upgraded lines started on SSC, at some point this was transferred to wikipedia map, as evidenced by the mistakes having been copied also.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 08:32 PM   #1572
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Fyra halted by ice build-up


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EUROPE: All Fyra International trains between Amsterdam and Brussels were suspended on January 17, after Belgium’s national safety authority DVIS withdrew permission for the AnsaldoBreda-built V250 trainsets to carry passengers. Three of the nine trainsets delivered so far had been damaged by a build-up of ice and snow under the vehicles.

Rather than reverting to running conventional trains via the Roosendaal route used by the Benelux inter-city service until December 9, NS Hispeed switched passengers onto its loco-hauled Fyra domestic service between Amsterdam and Breda, with a bus shuttle to Antwerpen connecting with SNCB trains to and from Brussels.

On January 19 AnsaldoBreda issued a formal apology for the V250 problems, which it said ‘seem to be related to an undue accumulation, under the vehicles, of a big quantity of snow, that turning into ice and detaching during the train running, damaged some parts of the underframe.’ However, it insisted that ‘these setbacks have never affected the safety of the trains or of its passengers’.

Noting that the problems had not emerged during extensive testing of the V250 trainsets at Velim, the Wien Arsenal climate chamber or in the Netherlands, AnsaldoBreda said it was ‘committed to the utmost to solve this unexpected situation’. The supplier ‘immediately’ assembled a team of 40 people to conduct ‘in-depth investigations’ and ‘find the right solution’, dispatching 30 of them to the Netherlands.

Meanwhile, NS has stopped acceptance of its remaining seven trainsets and the three ordered by SNCB. The Belgian operator convened an emergency board meeting on January 21 to consider its position, threatening to cancel the contract if AnsaldoBreda could not solve the problems within three months.

The two railways have insisted that they will only put the V250s back into service once they are sure the trains work reliably. Even before the ice and snow problems, only half of all services were arriving within 5 min of right time, although this improved to 71% after changes to the maintenance regime. According to NS Hispeed Managing Director Jan-Willem Siebers, the multi-system trainsets had been experiencing ‘electronic communications failures’ between train and infrastructure, leading to emergency brake applications.

Given that the V250s are unlikely to return to traffic for some months, the operators are now looking at options for some form of interim service; SNCB has already announce plans for extra services to Roosendaal. Meanwhile, the Belgian parliament’s infrastructure commission and the Dutch parliament’s Second Chamber have called for a joint meeting with SNCB, NS and NS Hispeed to discuss the situation.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/p...-build-up.html
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Old January 29th, 2013, 08:34 PM   #1573
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Siemens a déjà placé son Velaro pour l'Eurostar et a des ambitions pour le shuttle !

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Siemens Vectron tested in the Channel Tunnel


28 January 2013

EUROPE: A Siemens Vectron AC electric locomotive was tested in the Channel Tunnel on the night of January 25-26.

The aim was to test compatibility with Channel Tunnel systems and safety rules, as Eurotunnel hopes that open-access freight operators will be able to use conventional TSI-compliant four-axle locomotives rather than the six-axle Class 92 locos purpose-built for Channel Tunnel operations.

The Vectron was in its standard configuration, although Siemens said the two German pantographs had been replaced with ones suitable for use in the tunnel. The locomotive entered the French portal at 22.42 and completed a series of traction, braking and pantograph tests with a 1 350 tonne train. The train left the Channel Tunnel at Folkestone before returning to France for a second phase of tests, which was completed around 06.00.

Siemens said the tests demonstrated that a standard TSI-compliant locomotive can operate services through the Channel Tunnel safely and reliably without the need for major modification, other than the installation of TVM cab signalling.

The Vectron tests follow similar trials with an Alstom Prima II locomotive in September 2012.

'The approval of new rolling stock is the vital counterpart to the open-access model put in place by Eurotunnel', said Michel Boudoussier, Deputy Chief Executive Officer of Groupe Eurotunnel.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #1574
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referring to the hsr-map:
i think it`s somehow hard to differentiate between the 220kmh+ and the 250kmh+ tracks on the new map. another color (maybe green for 200kmh+ and yellow for 22kmh+ tracks?) would surely help.
it is also strange that lines that allow barely for 280kmh (hannover-würzburg and mannheim-stuttgart; theoretically they are capable for 280kmh, but with a lot of additional requirements, so that they are afaik only used with 250kmh max) and 300kmh lines like köln-ffm in the same speed-bracket. maybe it would be better if the red brackets lower speed limit were raised to about 290kmh+?
nevertheless, good job!
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Old January 30th, 2013, 05:05 PM   #1575
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Are there any rendering on how the new e320 Eurostar trains will look like on the inside? They're really not very good on promoting their services as airlines are, especially towards First class passengers.
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Old January 31st, 2013, 10:40 PM   #1576
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Are meals, snacks, purses or other services included in a eurostar 1st class ticket ?
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Old January 31st, 2013, 11:33 PM   #1577
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Are meals, snacks, purses or other services included in a eurostar 1st class ticket ?
Yes, you get a meal.
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Old February 1st, 2013, 04:31 PM   #1578
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Yes, you get a meal.
A trip on the Eurostar trains very much reassembles a flight.

Queing, passport controls before boarding, waiting lounge after checking in, lots of guards, security people observing passengers while they're walking to the platforms.

Then a meal included for 1st class passengers.

This type of boarding and checking in is also found on the Talgo trains Barcelona-Montpellier, the strange thing is that you can avoid x ray inchecking of your bags if you board the train in Girona or Perpignan instead where there's no inchecking. (A tip for terrorists, illegal aliens and smugglers)

The eurostar does stop at Ashford, are there the same type of passport and luggage checks there ?
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Old February 1st, 2013, 04:33 PM   #1579
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This type of boarding and checking in is also found on the Talgo trains Barcelona-Montpellier, the strange thing is that you can avoid x ray inchecking of your bags if you board the train in Girona or Perpignan instead where there's no inchecking. (A tip for terrorists, illegal aliens and smugglers)
There is also no kind of control at all when you take this train in Montpellier.
I went to Morocco overland 3 years ago, and used this train to reach
Barcelona. Arriving from Avignon, I did not get out of the station and stood
on the platform to take pictures. At the time the Talgo entered the station,
I just boarded and that was it...
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