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Old May 14th, 2013, 02:59 AM   #1641
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I believe the Northern Sweden entry is wrong, these two maps are supposed to show operational speed, not rated speed. I think it could be useful to show the latter as border colour on the full-size image (different presentations in different sizes is possible in SVG), more on that in the map-making thread.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 06:41 AM   #1642
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Constant 250 km/h with an power output of 3.18 MW? Seems a little underpowered.
For a 4 car train? Seems enough to me.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #1643
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SJ have the X55 which is capable of speeds up to 250 km/h.
But do they even run on that stretch? With that speed?

Some time ago I asked in this thread why the CMK line in Poland was not marked, even though it allows >200 km/h. I was told it's because there is no such service on that line, which is true (signalling is being installed now). However, it seems there are lines on this map that are exactly in such situation.

The map might simply need some update.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #1644
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For a 4 car train? Seems enough to me.
Weight is not the issue, but air drag. ICE T (BR 415) is slightly lighter, despite being one car longer, has about the same power output and makes only 230. To me the ICE T appears to be more streamlined as well, therefore I somewhat doubt the 250.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 03:10 AM   #1645
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I think the Hanzelijn should be added to the map, as the infrastructure is definitely ready for 200 km/h. During testing, an ICE 3 trainset has reached 200 km/h on the Hanzelijn.
I always thought that map was supposed to show the lines that carry high speed service.

That's why that grey line in The Netherlands is on there: it is slow speed (hence the grey color), but it carries ICE service from Germany that does run at high speed, but slows down on the Dutch part of the line.


The Hanzelijn should not be on the map, since it carries no high speed service, or anything close to that speed.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:50 AM   #1646
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Weight is not the issue, but air drag. ICE T (BR 415) is slightly lighter, despite being one car longer, has about the same power output and makes only 230. To me the ICE T appears to be more streamlined as well, therefore I somewhat doubt the 250.
In trains air drag is largely a function of length... Smooth sides are more important than a pointy nose. Anyway, the X55 only goes 200kph, not 250...
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Old May 15th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #1647
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And meanwhile in Spain and France... the TGV keeps on testing between Perpignan and Barcelona.
It´s been seen in Barcelona these last three or four days.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 09:29 AM   #1648
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DB dropping Thalys stake

DB is dropping its stake on Thalys. Tickets for Thalys will no longer be sold regularly by DB. This is rumored to be part of the works of SNCF as it will compete with DB on the London route.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 11:52 AM   #1649
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DB is dropping its stake on Thalys. Tickets for Thalys will no longer be sold regularly by DB. This is rumored to be part of the works of SNCF as it will compete with DB on the London route.
What do you mean by "no longer sold regularly"?
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What do you mean by "no longer sold regularly"?
It means that DB is no longer going to sell Thalys tickets. If you want a Thalys ticket you will have to buy it on-line.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #1651
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DB is dropping its stake on Thalys. Tickets for Thalys will no longer be sold regularly by DB. This is rumored to be part of the works of SNCF as it will compete with DB on the London route.
I don't think SNCF did this. You don't really need SNCF's permission to sell Thalys (or TGV) tickets, all you need is access to the European reservation system. DB has chosen to no longer sell Thalys tickets, but for example SBB still does...
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Old June 14th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #1652
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Green light for DB-trains to St Pancras this Friday. SNCF used to have monopoly on this branch.

Frankfurt-London in 5 hours, but not until 2016

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Old June 14th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #1653
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5 h isn't worth to travel
Plane costs less surely.

I think the true link in Paris-London in 2 hours the two big cities of Europe.
the true Eurostar.

I don't even understand how germans won the bid for new trains whereas they don't meet security standards?!

alstom make the best secure trains in the world.
I remember the 'boggies system' which has saved lives when accident arrived.
german one isn't as good as the french system.

This DB eurostar is a non sense
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Old June 14th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #1654
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Because German trains are better?
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Old June 15th, 2013, 01:11 AM   #1655
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5 hours is not bad at all. It isn't much slower than taking a plane, and it's far more conveniant you ask me since you have to deal with the security check hassle and you arrive in the actual city instead of an airport 20km away. I think there is a market for this hsl
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Old June 15th, 2013, 01:38 AM   #1656
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5 hours is not bad at all. It isn't much slower than taking a plane, and it's far more conveniant you ask me since you have to deal with the security check hassle and you arrive in the actual city instead of an airport 20km away. I think there is a market for this hsl
5 hours is fine and yes, train is more convienent, but its not going to be cheaper than flying.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 02:06 AM   #1657
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5 hours is fine and yes, train is more convienent, but its not going to be cheaper than flying.
It depends.

Right now you can find trains from 79 euros (Thalys + Eurostar)
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Old June 15th, 2013, 02:31 AM   #1658
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5 hours is very close to the sweet spot for high speed rail travel. A plane might be faster from take-off to landing, but taking a plane takes much more time: getting to the airport (which is often out of town), check-in, waiting, taxiing, flying, taxiing again, waiting for luggage to arrive, security check, getting from the airport (which is often out of town as well) to your destination...

On Amsterdam - London or Cologne - London, all in all the train is not much slower than an airplane. But it does offer the convenience of continuity (no waiting, having to walk to a station, etc), comfort (I prefer the spaciousness of an ICE over an airplane), and there's things such as power sockets or on-board wifi which converts a train into an office on wheels.

A business man might opt to fly to London, basically losing much time with waiting, transfers, X-rays, etc. He can also decide to take the train and continue working while he's on his way. This is something I see happening more and more as more trains are equipped with wifi.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 03:38 AM   #1659
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It depends.

Right now you can find trains from 79 euros (Thalys + Eurostar)
80 euros is a lot. You can find flights that are cheaper.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 04:00 AM   #1660
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Yawn, why would I sit 6 hours in train if I can fly in an hour at a cheaper fare?

Its its not like most people live in the city center next to the train station. For many its actually easier to get to the airport than taking that hassle to drive into congested city centers.
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