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Old June 28th, 2013, 11:22 AM   #1761
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The panoramic view behind the driver is gone as well. In my opinion this is a pity, as these things set ICE apart from other trains.
It's indeed a pity. However it was apparently not possible to make the Velaro compliant with the new TSI norms and keep the lounge.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #1762
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I Will like to know the evolución of the tgv lyria from parís to bruxelles, it has been on service since 1997 time enough to see the evolution of the line, besides there in this time no improvements happened so we ccan see the natural evolution of the line.
TGV Lyria runs from Paris to Switzerland. Between Paris and Brussel you will find Thalys. What "evolution" are you looking for?
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Old June 28th, 2013, 11:29 AM   #1763
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Well maybe it is subjective, but the leg space is hardly comparable ...
I think it's aslo a matter of average length of the people ordering the train. The average Dutch man is taller than the average French man. Even the average Dutch women is taller than the average French man.
That explains a lot about the TGV...

But the older TGV seats also have a major design flaw: The foot rest doesn't completely fold up. This takes away quite a bit of "shin" space. I therefor will usually travel in first class on TGV. Second class in ICE is fine though, but I like the quite of the first class there as well.

One thing the ICE also offered from the beginning, which TGVs also only start to offer now are power plugs.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 12:25 PM   #1764
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TGV Lyria runs from Paris to Switzerland. Between Paris and Brussel you will find Thalys. What "evolution" are you looking for?
You are right Thalys, i am looking for annual evolution of travellers between Paris and Bruxelles since 1997.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 01:58 PM   #1765
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You are right Thalys, i am looking for annual evolution of travellers between Paris and Bruxelles since 1997.
You'll find some figures on the wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalys

But these figures are for the whole network, not just Paris - Brussel.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #1766
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Day train Vienna - Venice finally back in business by December. Austrian Ministry for Infrastructure and Trenitalia agreed on one IC-service starting this December, two trains in 2014 and a RJ-service over the course of time.



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ÖBB: Neuer Tageszug Wien-Venedig ab Dezember auf Schiene
Gemeinsam mit dem BMVIT und Trenitalia schaffen die ÖBB wieder eine Tagzugverbindung zwischen Wien und Venedig * Weitere Verbesserungen sind in Planung

Wien (OTS) - Sukzessive haben die ÖBB mit verschiedenen Partnern in
den vergangenen Jahren die grenzüberschreitenden Verbindungen von und
nach Italien verbessert. Nach langen Verhandlungen mit der
italienischen Bahn Trenitalia wird zum Fahrplanwechsel am 15.
Dezember 2013 die Tagzugverbindung von Wien über Villach nach Venedig
wieder aufgenommen. Vorerst wird täglich ein ÖBB-IC Zugpaar fahren,
das im Dezember 2014 mit einem weiteren ergänzt werden soll.
Mittelfristig ist der Einsatz der ÖBB-Premiumzüge railjet bis nach
Venedig vorgesehen.

"Wir freuen uns sehr, dass wir gemeinsam mit dem BMVIT und Trenitalia
die direkte Tagzugverbindung von Wien nach Venedig wieder aufnehmen
können", erklärt Vorstandsdirektorin Birgit Wagner von der
ÖBB-Personenverkehr AG. "Nach einer Durststrecke von drei Jahren
können Venedig-Fans nun wieder tagsüber direkt in die Lagunenstadt
reisen. Gemeinsam ist es gelungen, einen Wunsch vieler ÖBB-Kunden zu
erfüllen und den internationalen Fernverkehr auf der Pontebbana über
Tarvisio Boscoverde wieder zu aktivieren."

"Ich glaube, mit der neuen Tageszugverbindung erfüllen wir vielen
Reisenden einen Herzenswunsch", so Verkehrsministerin Doris Bures.
Das Verkehrsministerium hat die Wiederaufnahme der Tagesverbindung
Wien-Venedig im Rahmen der Gemeinwirtschaftlichen Leistungen möglich
gemacht. Für die Verkehrsministerin ist das auch eine Entscheidung
mit Symbolkraft, denn die Südstrecke wird jetzt mit Hochdruck
ausgebaut. "Hier gibt es ein enormes Potential für die
umweltfreundliche Bahn, das wollen wir mit dem Ausbau der
Infrastruktur, kürzeren Fahrzeiten und modernsten Zügen ausschöpfen."

Ohne Lokwechsel bis nach Venedig

Die Züge werden mit klimatisierten Fernverkehrswaggons geführt. Neu
ist auch der durchlaufende Einsatz mehrsystemtauglicher ÖBB-Taurus 3
Hochleistungsloks auf der gesamten Strecke. Wagner: "Damit entfällt
der in Tarvisio Boscoverde technisch notwendige Lokwechsel und wir
sparen wertvolle Zeit und Ressourcen." Ergänzend zum neuen IC-Zugpaar
bieten die ÖBB weiterhin täglich Verbindungen mit dem ÖBB
Intercitybus und dem ÖBB Nachtreisezug nach Venedig an. Im Fahrplan
2014 stehen damit täglich bis zu fünf Reisemöglichkeiten über Villach
nach Venedig zur Verfügung.

Parallel dazu ist geplant bereits ab dem Fahrplanwechsel 2014/2015
ein zweites Zugspaar einzusetzen. "Mittelfristig ist vorgesehen, dass
beide Zugpaare zwischen Wien und Venedig mit railjet-Garnituren
geführt werden", so Wagner. Dafür benötigen die ÖBB die Zulassung des
ÖBB-Premiumzuges in Italien, an der bereits gearbeitet wird.

Weitere ÖBB-Angebote nach Italien

Zusätzlich zu den wieder eingeführten Tagzügen bieten die ÖBB weitere
tägliche Verbindungen in Form von Nachtreisezügen nach Venedig und
Rom an. Saisonale Verbindungen bestehen sogar bis nach Livorno. In
der Grenzregion zwischen Villach und Udine sorgen täglich
Regionalexpresszüge ebenfalls für gute Reisemöglichkeiten per Bahn.
ÖBB: Österreichs größter Mobilitätsdienstleister

Als umfassender Mobilitätsdienstleister sorgt der ÖBB-Konzern
österreichweit für die umweltfreundliche Beförderung von Personen und
Gütern. Die ÖBB gehören zu den pünktlichsten Bahnen Europas und
bieten ihren Kunden die höchste Pünktlichkeit in der EU. Mit
konzernweit 39.833 MitarbeiterInnen bei Bahn und Bus (davon 35.990 in
Österreich, 3.843 im Ausland, zusätzlich 1.814 Lehrlinge) und
Gesamterträgen von rd. 6,27 Mrd. EUR ist der ÖBB-Konzern ein
wirtschaftlicher Impulsgeber des Landes. Strategische
Leitgesellschaft des Konzerns ist die ÖBB-Holding AG.
http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/O...f-schiene-bild
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Old June 28th, 2013, 04:22 PM   #1767
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Via Salzburg and Villach?
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Old June 28th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #1768
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Very unlikely. As I see it they'll go via Klagenfurt like they did before.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 05:07 PM   #1769
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How much time will it take Vienna-Venecia?
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Old June 28th, 2013, 05:29 PM   #1770
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You'll find some figures on the wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalys

But these figures are for the whole network, not just Paris - Brussel.
I know those figures, that is not what i am looking for, because the network changed, betweeen bruxelles and amsterdam and beyond, i need figures that can be compared.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 10:39 AM   #1771
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I know those figures, that is not what i am looking for, because the network changed, betweeen bruxelles and amsterdam and beyond, i need figures that can be compared.
The network never changed that much. It's been Paris - Brussel - Amsterdam/Köln since 1997. What did change is that over time travel times got reduced.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #1772
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Day train Vienna - Venice finally back in business by December. Austrian Ministry for Infrastructure and Trenitalia agreed on one IC-service starting this December, two trains in 2014 and a RJ-service over the course of time.
That is good news. I hope something similar now happens too between Italy and Slovenia.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #1773
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How much time will it take Vienna-Venecia?
Should be around 7 hours.
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Old June 30th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #1774
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The network never changed that much. It's been Paris - Brussel - Amsterdam/Köln since 1997. What did change is that over time travel times got reduced.
And that has a direct effect on the number of people travelling, all other circunstances being equal. That is exactly why i will like to have Paris Bruxelles figures, travel time did not change since 1997, except for 3 minutes.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 07:02 PM   #1775
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Starting tomorrow (02/07/2013):


New direct link between Porto-Campanhã (Portugal) & Vigo (Spain), twice a day, each direction.


The time of the voyage will be of 2h15!!




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Old July 1st, 2013, 08:41 PM   #1776
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Now I have been to Prague. I was somewhat concerned about the flooding and almost thought I (we) wouldn't make it. The Johannes Brahms was 2 hours late though because of that flood I presume, but no one of the staff told anything about the flood as a reason. On the return trip the train had some trouble with the brakes and stopped for 30 min in Usti nad Labem for some security checks.


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Beautiful scenery along the route of the EC-train Johannes Brahms
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Starting tomorrow (02/07/2013):


New direct link between Porto-Campanhã (Portugal) & Vigo (Spain), twice a day, each direction.


The time of the voyage will be of 2h15!!




photo Rui Oliveira / Global Imagens
Is that true??? if its true Spain and Portugal getting closer!!!
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Starting tomorrow (02/07/2013):

New direct link between Porto-Campanhã (Portugal) & Vigo (Spain), twice a day, each direction.

The time of the voyage will be of 2h15!!

photo Rui Oliveira / Global Imagens
Hasn't this train been running for a while? It was running last year in september when I was there.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 09:55 PM   #1779
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Is that true??? if its true Spain and Portugal getting closer!!!
Yes it`s true, the first part!!!


The second part, please wait another 1000 years!!!


I forgot to say three things:

1) that this photo is from today the inaugural voyage between Vigo and Porto with the portuguese and spanish minister of tranportation!!

2) the reason why you see "Celta" (Celts) on the seats is because it`s the name given to this direct link between the two cities;

3) this is the future timetable of this connection:





P.S.: there are "political promisses" to until 2020 correct some points and electrified the actual single track between Nine (Portugal) and Tui (Spain), to decrease the time of the voyage to only 1h30.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 10:31 PM   #1780
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At least is something
Anyway it couldnt have had a better name!
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