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Old July 8th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #1801
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That is incorrect. Lyria trains can be used for domestic trips. Within Switzerland even with normal Swiss tickets.

I expect the same for the France - Spain TGVs.
You are right, sorry, it is Thalys the one that in the internet does not allow you to buy the ticket within one country. I do not know if you buy it at the station if you do have that option.

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Old July 9th, 2013, 12:28 AM   #1802
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You are right, sorry, it is Thalys the one that in the internet does not allow you to buy the ticket within one country. I do not know if you buy it at the station if you do have that option.
You can buy domestic tickets for Thalys as well. Few people bother however.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 12:35 AM   #1803
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That is due to what is written on their own website
No that's not it. The direct Paris - Bern (Interlaken) TGV still runs, and runs via Pontarlier. However it only runs once a day, and for Paris Bern is actually slower than going via Basel and changing trains there.

When you try to book Paris to Bern the website will suggest you both the direct train, and trains to Basel, where you can change for Bern. (Have a look if you want). This might be unexpected to someone from Spain however.

Personally I think the direct Paris - Bern should be discontinued, and in stead a regular international train should be run from Neuchâtel to Dijon.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 01:21 AM   #1804
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You can buy domestic tickets for Thalys as well. Few people bother however.
In the internet? Maybe you can but i can´t, when you choose a french city in departure, then the destinations are not french cities.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 02:09 AM   #1805
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-night trains Trenhotel Joan Miró Barcelona Estació de França-Paris Austerlitz, and Trenhotel Francisco de Goya Madrid Chamartín-Paris-Austerlitz will be discontinued.
Shame for the Paris-Madrid night train. The TGV/AVE does not provide a direct, fast alternative to this.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 08:53 AM   #1806
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In the internet? Maybe you can but i can´t, when you choose a french city in departure, then the destinations are not french cities.
Apart from a couple of seasonal services there are no Thalys services that have more than one stop in France. From Paris there are no Thalys services that do not have Brussel as first stop... So it's just the timetable.
Thalys is not a train operating company ( and neither is Lyria). They are basically just brands. The trains are operated by HSA/NMBS/SNCF and fall under their rules when on their networks. You can take a Thalys fom Brussel to Liège for example, provided you have a valid ticket and pay the surcharge. Again, not many people bother. There are after all two regular IC services per hour on that route.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 12:58 PM   #1807
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Apart from a couple of seasonal services there are no Thalys services that have more than one stop in France. From Paris there are no Thalys services that do not have Brussel as first stop... So it's just the timetable.
Thalys is not a train operating company ( and neither is Lyria). They are basically just brands. The trains are operated by HSA/NMBS/SNCF and fall under their rules when on their networks. You can take a Thalys fom Brussel to Liège for example, provided you have a valid ticket and pay the surcharge. Again, not many people bother. There are after all two regular IC services per hour on that route.
That is an important information, thanks. By the way Lyria just took some trains from Sncf on December it is an operating train company:

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En décembre 2012, la propriété de ces 19 rames POS est transférée par la SNCF et les CFF à la société Lyria[9].
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if you check a Paris Bellegarde service in voyages.com then there are only Lyria trains available. I guess the Sncf must pay Lyria money in this cases.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 11:16 PM   #1808
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It owns the trains I don't know if it is a railway company (that is, a company that directly runs trains on its responsibility), however it is 3/4 owned by SNCF and 1/4 by SBB.

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Personally I think the direct Paris - Bern should be discontinued, and in stead a regular international train should be run from Neuchâtel to Dijon.
The Paris-Pontarlier-Berne TGV will disappear next December, maybe replaced by a TGV via Basel.

Some RegioExpress Bern-Neuchâtel-Pontarlier-Frasne might be created to replace the TGV (two return trips -4 trains- exist already today).
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Old July 9th, 2013, 11:28 PM   #1809
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That is an important information, thanks. By the way Lyria just took some trains from Sncf on December it is an operating train company:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyria

if you check a Paris Bellegarde service in voyages.com then there are only Lyria trains available. I guess the Sncf must pay Lyria money in this cases.
No, the trains operate as French trains until Bellegarde. If you buy a ticket you will see that it has the SNCF code on it. If you. Buy a ticket to Switzerland it will have both the SNCF and SBB codes on it.
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The Paris-Pontarlier-Berne TGV will disappear next December, maybe replaced by a TGV via Basel..
What would be the use of the works under way:

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des travaux sont programmés dans le périmètre de Dijon et de Dôle tout au long de l’année 2013
That line is already quite fast in parts of it, i do not understand.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 03:06 AM   #1811
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No, the trains operate as French trains until Bellegarde. If you buy a ticket you will see that it has the SNCF code on it. If you. Buy a ticket to Switzerland it will have both the SNCF and SBB codes on it.
On the internet they appear as Lyria trains, in voyages.sncf.com
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Old July 11th, 2013, 12:09 AM   #1812
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On the internet they appear as Lyria trains, in voyages.sncf.com
That is not what I mean. Of course they are listed as Lyria trains. International tickets however have a set of codes on that indicate who it is you have a transportation contract with. That is important for things like compensation in case of delays and other entitlements.
If you buy a Geneve - Paris ticket it will have both SBB and SNCF codes on it. Lyria is no a train operating company. It is just a train marketing company, just like Thalys.
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That is not what I mean. Of course they are listed as Lyria trains. International tickets however have a set of codes on that indicate who it is you have a transportation contract with. That is important for things like compensation in case of delays and other entitlements.
If you buy a Geneve - Paris ticket it will have both SBB and SNCF codes on it. Lyria is no a train operating company. It is just a train marketing company, just like Thalys.
What about the news indicating that they actually bought many trains from Sncf in December?
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Old July 11th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #1814
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Hi guys, don't you know whether the EuroNight train Metropol has carriages with ordinary seat alignment (I mean bus-like or regular coupes). And whether ordinary seats in that trains are more expensive than those in common EuroCity trains?
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What about the news indicating that they actually bought many trains from Sncf in December?
Basically some trains have been transferred from SNCF to Lyria, and are now branded as such. And the press makes of that what it wants...

Owning a train, marketing a train, running a train are all functions that can be performed by different companies.

The important thing is that the operator of Lyria is SBB when in Switzerland, and SNCF when in France. In Switzerland all domestic Swiss tickets are valid in Lyria trains. If you have a Zürich - Basel ticket for example you can take the TGV Lyria from Zürich to Basel, if it just so happens that this train is convenient to you. Similarly is you have a Dijon - Paris ticket you can use the TGV Lyria (or anotherTGV).
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The Paris-Pontarlier-Berne TGV will disappear next December, maybe replaced by a TGV via Basel.
Indeed. There is going to be an Paris - Interlaken TGV pair, and it will run via Basel. I can only imagine that it is operated because SNCF absolutely wants it, because it could be the most pointless train in Switzerland next year.
Because the TGV POS sets don't have ETCS this train will not be able to use the fast line from Bern to Olten. It will take the older, slower line, where it even will be limited to a slower top speed then domestic regional trains.
So taking a fast IC from Interlaken or Bern to Basel and changing there will remain quicker. And more convenient, as the direct TGV in Interlaken at a pretty useless time.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 03:15 AM   #1818
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such a shame that they altered the initial design
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Old July 14th, 2013, 03:47 AM   #1819
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Old July 14th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #1820
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Hi guys, don't you know whether the EuroNight train Metropol has carriages with ordinary seat alignment (I mean bus-like or regular coupes). And whether ordinary seats in that trains are more expensive than those in common EuroCity trains?
Just checked it on bahn.de . A seat reservation is 5 Euros. However usually the best bet foe this train is to get db's "Globalpreis" (ticket and reservation for a particular connection).
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